Grades v. Blazers 01/06

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Well that was impressive. :rolleyes:

Artest ( B+ ) -- a scattering of nice takes to the rim in the first half as the third of our early scorers (basically that whole PG/OG/SF trio again). And generally efficient on offense all night long. Didn't really have anybody to guard out there, and the guys he did guard didn't pay much attention to him. Had little effect on Roy, and Muss got him into an untenable defensive matchup trying to check Zach Randolph in a smallballing Bibby/Martin/Salmons/Ron lineup in the second quarter -- Zach is just too big and good to be checked by a SF, even Ron. Over the course of the game did come up with a couple of nice interior blocks in there as the last (pretty much ONLY) line of defense we had in the paint. Tried to carry the offense in early OT, attacking at the rim. But was kind of forgotten about and quiet for the final 3-4 minutes. Another strong, efficient offensive outing, mostly attacking inside, creating some shots for others, only forcing one or two. But not an impact game defensively.
Thomas ( D- ) -- slow start, and while Randolph was not great, he clearly got the better of it (no surprise). Kenny returned to do basically nothing in the third either, and got a technical to close his night before heading to the bench for the rest of the game. Thx Kenny.
Reef ( C ) -- invisible start, although at least not being badly victimized on the other end as Pryzbilla was a nonfactor in the early going. Could not finish inside after returning in the third, but at least there was some effort. But another night on which we got better after he got pulled, at least for a while. Came back in OT to battle Randolph moderately effectively, but got beat for the go ahead basket.
Martin ( B- ) -- big scoring first quarter, but being scored right back on by Roy the other way, causing us to basically have to hide him so that Ron could take his man. In fact everyone he was guarding was scoring on him, and it really has to be mentioned how much his defense seems to have fallen off. Got quiet offensively after half as well as the Blazers decided to try actualy guarding him. And then missed not 1, but TWO huge FTs in the final seconds to let the Blazers tie it up. That's two nights in a row where Kevin had the game in his hands at the line and choked it away. Interesting phenomenon here, because second night in a row where his numbers are right on his averages, but I really was not in love with his actual game. Bad defense, choking in the clutch...Kevin needs to refocus here.
Bibby ( A- ) -- another scorching start, and got whatever he wanted all half. The second half was quieter however, and Mike was often invisible until abruptly reemerging to bury ANOTHER huge clutch 3 to bring us within 1 with 6 seconds to go in OT. 2nd game in a row Mike has stepped up in classic Bibby fashion to try to bail us out. Second game in row it was not enough, as a few seconds later he came up way way short on the forced game tying attempt (man was right in his face). And so just like last year the holiday season has seen Mike returning to form and catching fire. And yet as a team we are still just waddling along, critically hamstrung by his and our inability to stop anyone on the other side.
Miller ( C+ ) -- came in off the bench, hit a jumper, made a nice bounce pass for a Martin layup. Then embarrassed himself trying to post up a guard and failing miserably. And never returned after half -- apparently still ailing. After seeing the horrendous crap that was our front line in the second half, culminating with the resort to Mo Taylor...Brad, get well. Soon. Wish we had Justin Williams in uni.
Salmons ( C+ ) -- a lot of minutes for very limtied production tonight. John has in many ways emerged as Muss's safety blanket here. Problem being Muss still grasps at it even when its not really doing much. In the early going John made a nice play posting up little Sergio Rodriguez, but otherwise did little before the break. Logged major 2nd half minutes, many in a variety of smallballing lineups with Ron at PF. Played solid defense, but got beat for the game tying shot in regulation. 2nd game in a row we've seen John beat despite his best efforts. Came back in OT to turn the tables and hit his own game tying three with a minute to go. But 30 seconds later switched his hero's cape for a goat outfit as he stepped out of bounds in the corner with Portland up 2 and us trying to tie it up. Set the stage for our demise, as we could never recover. In the end 6pts 4reb 4ast in 31min on 1-5 shooting (the one being the big shot) with good and bad highlights cancelling each other out.
Douby ( C- ) -- started the second quarter at OG next to Bibby, first shot got blocked, but did eventually hit a three. Think he got benched after some lacksadaisical play including a bush league leakout/attempt at cherry picking where he ran up court to get the freebie layup before we had even grabbed the rebound, and the ball happened to fall right in the spot he had just vacated. Oops. No second half minutes, and this time no stone cold insertion in late OT to try to win the game for us either. :rolleyes:
Corliss ( B+ ) -- did little in the first half -- just too small to check Randolph. And while he continued to struggle guarding the big bigs after half, he was at the core of the little mini-run we put on to open the 4th, punctuating it with a big power jam as we pulled away. And believe it or not, when Coriliss fouled out late in regulation, that may have sealed our fate, as the remaining bigs -- Reef, Mo, and KT all sucked in various degrees.
Taylor ( B- ) -- got in in the second half, presumably in Miller's spot in the rotation after Brad's illness kept him in the locker room. And...did not suck. Nothing special, but that 5 spot was a gaping wound all night for us, and Mo at least filled in solidly. Was uncharacteristically grabbing rebounds -- this being one of the notoriously weakest rebounding "bigs" in the league. But slipped up late, missed shots he shouldn't have taken (not at this point in his career anyway), looked shaky, and was gone by OT. Hey, Mo Taylor this year doing ANYTHING for you is a cause for celebration. But Mo in the game in crunchtime is :eek:
Garcia ( INC ) -- got a minute in there somewhere, last game may have chased him back from the rotation

Muss ( ) -- So this was supposed to be the sure thing. The one and only game that we win everytime this year -- the sub .500 opponent on our home floor. We came into the game 8-1 against those teams. 6-15 vs. everyone else. Make that 8-2 against those teams now. This one featuring all of our inconsistency and frontcourt impotence on full display. In the first half, our not so big three all went off...and yet we still trailed at half because of terrible defense. In the second half the Blazers tried everythign possible to give the game to us -- missing open look after open look after open look, and we STILL couldn't put them away on the power of a mighty 12pt 4th quarter. Along the way our entire 5 man frontcourt (SAR, Kenny, Brad, Mo and Corliss) put up 23pts and 21rebs. Zach Randolph alone put up 32 and 15. And yet fair or not, this one is probably remembered as the one we should have gotten had our best FT shooter just hit his FTs in the clutch. Well, Muss did not miss the FTs anymore than Rick did on a far greater stage back in the day. Nor did he have any particular answers up front, where he rode the only effective "big" he had (6'5"ish Corliss) as far as he could before Nasty fouled out. On the other hand, at no point in this game did we have an effective defensive scheme, and really the only reason we were not blown out on our home floor is because the Blazers missed open shots at an alarming rate -- why they suck of course (and a charitable grader might suggest our strategy was to depend upon their crappy shooting to miss). We smallballed ourselves into trouble in the second quarter, and as laudable defender as he is, we put Ron into a very tough position having to try to guard a hulking mega-scoring PF like Randolph down in the post. That guy can drop 30 on Duncan, and is just too big for even Ron's brawn. Of course given our absolutely pathetic frontcourt, maybe the smallball theory was "why not?" But it didn't work. Randolph went inside at will, and then when we finally started doubling him, their perimeter guys got all the open looks they wanted, and our smallballing insertion (Salmons) was only moderately more effective than our bigs. And of course the Kings being the Kings, consistency of any sort is not allowed, so we score 31 in the first quarter, and then proceed to score all of 36 in the entire second half, including a terrible 4th quarter collapse where the only thing saving us was an even worse effort from the Blazers. You can feel free to explain to me what happened to our high scoring backcourt down the stretch, and why Mo Taylor was jacking up shots like it was 1998. Better yet, explain it to Muss so that maybe he can go crunch some numbers to figure out its bad. So we lose...and if we just keep on losing its not necessarily the worst thing that could happen. If we lose 20 in a row there is hope for the future via a top draft pick. If we win 20 in a row there is hope for the present in the playoffs. But instead, we just wobble along, and unless Geoff finds some reinforcements, how's that going to change?
 
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Mo Taylor for president!

Problem #1 with this team: the better Bibby plays on offense the worse he plays on defense. I think Isaac Newton proved this in the 17th Century.

Problem #2 with this team: Ron Artest had so much trouble with Brandon Roy Musselman had to switch to a zone. Portland promptly killed us with threes.

Problem #3 with this team: we just lost to the Blazers

Problem #4 with this team: still no plays run for Kevin Martin. He is like a deer in the forest, foraging for shots. He got some good ones, but then Portland abandoned their "leave Kevin Martin wide open" game plan and they dried up.

Problem #5 with this team: I just lead off this post with Mo Taylor for president. When Mo Taylor is your best player down the stretch you really have problems.

But hey -- one loss means one step closer to a better draft pick. This team needs to keep losing.
 
Mo Taylor for president!

Problem #1 with this team: the better Bibby plays on offense the worse he plays on defense. I think Isaac Newton proved this in the 17th Century.

Problem #2 with this team: Ron Artest had so much trouble with Brandon Roy Musselman had to switch to a zone. Portland promptly killed us with threes.

Problem #3 with this team: we just lost to the Blazers

Problem #4 with this team: still no plays run for Kevin Martin. He is like a deer in the forest, foraging for shots. He got some good ones, but then Portland abandoned their "leave Kevin Martin wide open" game plan and they dried up.

Problem #5 with this team: I just lead off this post with Mo Taylor for president. When Mo Taylor is your best player down the stretch you really have problems.

But hey -- one loss means one step closer to a better draft pick. This team needs to keep losing.

Don't forget the FT shooting. Was it like 22/31 tonight? And oh yeah, another 2 FTs missed with seconds left. Frustrating.
 
And really, this team needs to trade Ron ASAP. He couldn't keep up with Wade, he couldn't keep up with Kobe, he couldn't keep up with Brandon Roy. He's lost a step on defense. They need to trade him before other teams figure this out.
 
Ron and Mike both spent all night doubling down on Randolph. What do you expect. They can't guard 2 ppl at once. We have got to rid ourselves from the plethera of pitiful front court players. From top to bottom.
 
I'm one of the few that doesn't think Ron is much of a problem.

He can't do everything, much, as we'd like him to.

He's out there with 4 sub-par defenders at all times, for the most part.

Nobody can play any defense when there is a wide open bucket behind you.
 
No, it's more than that. I mean, Ron's really turned the corner and has been, for the most part, playing good offense. But his defense just isn't the same. He really slowed guys down last year. Other than times when he makes good plays with his hands he is not really slowing guys down on the perimeter very much. It's a problem. Obviously it's not THE problem, but it's a problem.
 
Ron and Mike both spent all night doubling down on Randolph. What do you expect. They can't guard 2 ppl at once. We have got to rid ourselves from the plethera of pitiful front court players. From top to bottom.

Apparently Ron is supposed to do exactly what he said he guessed he would have to start doing - guarding two or three players instead of one.

Artest has been playing with the flow of the game, although to be honest I don't know how he can tell since there is no rhythm to the game at all any more as far as the Kings are concerned.

Pitiful is actually a pretty kind word for our front court (with the notable exceptions of Corliss and even Taylor, which boggles the mind). Miller gets a bit of a pass since he apparently left the game to puke his guts out. There is no pass available for either SAR or Kenny. Not any longer.
 
No, it's more than that. I mean, Ron's really turned the corner and has been, for the most part, playing good offense. But his defense just isn't the same. He really slowed guys down last year. Other than times when he makes good plays with his hands he is not really slowing guys down on the perimeter very much. It's a problem. Obviously it's not THE problem, but it's a problem.

Wade, Kobe and Roy - and any other really quick guards - are always going to have an advantage over Artest. That's nothing new. You're seeing him up against some really tough match-ups. He's doing about as much as he can possibly do - unless he figures out a way to add about four inches of height and clone himself to take over the 4 spot in addition to the 3.
 
Wade, Kobe and Roy - and any other really quick guards - are always going to have an advantage over Artest. That's nothing new. You're seeing him up against some really tough match-ups. He's doing about as much as he can possibly do - unless he figures out a way to add about four inches of height and clone himself to take over the 4 spot in addition to the 3.

Look, I'm tired of everyone jumping on me for this. Kobe basically ignored him in the last game, and Brandon Roy has not exactly been tearing up the league recently. Ron's defense is not what it was. We can all sit around and make excuses, but it's just not. Ron bothered Kobe last year, he bothered Pierce last year, he was really a force on defense. He isn't this year. Ron used to be able to guard the best guy on the floor no matter how quick. Now he can't guard the quick guys? What's left?
 
No, it's more than that. I mean, Ron's really turned the corner and has been, for the most part, playing good offense. But his defense just isn't the same. He really slowed guys down last year. Other than times when he makes good plays with his hands he is not really slowing guys down on the perimeter very much. It's a problem. Obviously it's not THE problem, but it's a problem.

IHMO, and I could be wrong, but, I think his injury to his back (which in then easily most likely followed into his legs), has slowed his first step down.

He doesn't have a lot of value in the open market, and has a very nice contract.

I'm okay with him staying a Kings, for those reasons.

But overall, a major retooling is needed, especially in the front court.
 
Can add in the fact as well, as a unit, the Kings were playing much better defense last season after Ron arrived, and early parts of this season.

Makes it that much more difficult for him and anybody else attempting to play this thing we call defense when the majority of the guys look lost attempting to play it. Which, is a bit odd, since they started out the season very impressive.
 
EW i just took a peak at the box score becaue i was scared to earlier. KT had 1 freaking rebound in 22 min. Thats aweful and is really the only reason he matters on this team is his rebounding. So if he can't do that anymore then why is he playing. put him beside Vitaley. Honestly could Justin Williams have done a worse job than either of our STARTING frountcourt tonight??
 
i agree.

SIDE NOTE.........I WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE that if we had Darko Milicic he would have blocked zach R's shot. we would have won the game.

the way i am looking at it is how much are we spending total for SAR, KT, Corliss, Miller, Taylor, POTATO HEAD ?

pay Darko the 50-60 mil for 5-6 years. he wants to start " hey we will put him right into the starting line up! "

everyone ones quick to hate on this guy but i ask why? hes super young, he has the ability to do something no one else on this team can do...... scare people away from the paint and BLOCK SHOTS, hes got a good shot, he reb's ?

SERIOUSLY I ASK AGAIN WHAT IS THERE TO HATE? its not like he was Put into the starting roll ever and failed. he hasnt even been give the chance to.
 
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i agree.

SIDE NOTE.........I WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE that if we had Darko Milicic he would have blocked zach R's shot. we would have won the game.

the way i am looking at it is how much are we spending total for SAR, KT, Corliss, Miller, Taylor, POTATO HEAD ?

pay Darko the 50-60 mil for 5-6 years. he wants to start " hey we will put him right into the starting line up! "

everyone ones to hate on this guy but i ask why? hes super young, he has the ability to do something no one else on this team can do...... scare people away from the paint and BLOCK SHOTS, hes got a good shot, he reb's ?

SERIOUSLY I ASK AGAIN WHAT IS THERE TO HATE? its not like he was Put into the starting roll ever and failed. he hasnt even been give the chance to.

too funny
 
If the Kings are going to get rid of Thomas, Miller, Reef, etc...they're going to have to trade them. I'd like Darko as well, but, they don't need our trash and he'll get a nice deal from a team that can afford him. With all of those guys, we can't :(
 
Look, I'm tired of everyone jumping on me for this. Kobe basically ignored him in the last game, and Brandon Roy has not exactly been tearing up the league recently. Ron's defense is not what it was. We can all sit around and make excuses, but it's just not. Ron bothered Kobe last year, he bothered Pierce last year, he was really a force on defense. He isn't this year. Ron used to be able to guard the best guy on the floor no matter how quick. Now he can't guard the quick guys? What's left?


One main reason I have noticed in regards Ron's ineffectiveness has a little to do with what VF mentioned. He is trying to gaurd 2 people at once. I don't know if it's the strategy (I am sure it is because we have no protection at the rim) but he isn't playing people straight up on the perimeter any more, not that he did last year much either but it's way more this year.

He is actually our last line of defense most times this season and he is cheating off in the paint to help due to that lack of any stopping ability in the paint from our frontcourt, and it really is starting to effect his individual defense.

Also if you're playing zone this much, you might as well not even have a Ron Artest on your team. A zone defense totally nullifies his impact on the defensive end as an individual defender.
 
One main reason I have noticed in regards Ron's ineffectiveness has a little to do with what VF mentioned. He is trying to gaurd 2 people at once. I don't know if it's the strategy (I am sure it is because we have no protection at the rim) but he isn't playing people straight up on the perimeter any more, not that he did last year much either but it's way more this year.

He is actually our last line of defense most times this season and he is cheating off in the paint to help due to that lack of any stopping ability in the paint from our frontcourt, and it really is starting to effect his individual defense.

Also if you're playing zone this much, you might as well not even have a Ron Artest on your team. A zone defense totally nullifies his impact on the defensive end as an individual defender.

I agree with your points about the zone and Salmons also had trouble with Roy, so maybe it was just Roy's night. But Ron had the exact same frontcourt last year -- so why is he all of a sudden not able to guard guys on the perimeter this year? ezekiel's point about his back is well-taken -- maybe he's not physically able to move enough, but I'm not sure I understand the points about the lack of shotblocking. That has always been the case.
 
i agree.

SIDE NOTE.........I WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE that if we had Darko Milicic he would have blocked zach R's shot. we would have won the game.

the way i am looking at it is how much are we spending total for SAR, KT, Corliss, Miller, Taylor, POTATO HEAD ?

pay Darko the 50-60 mil for 5-6 years. he wants to start " hey we will put him right into the starting line up! "

everyone ones quick to hate on this guy but i ask why? hes super young, he has the ability to do something no one else on this team can do...... scare people away from the paint and BLOCK SHOTS, hes got a good shot, he reb's ?

SERIOUSLY I ASK AGAIN WHAT IS THERE TO HATE? its not like he was Put into the starting roll ever and failed. he hasnt even been give the chance to.

And I would like to add that your shtick has already grown beyond tiresome. This isn't IloveDarkoMIlicic.com It's Kingsfans.com and I've yet to see you post anything of any value about the Kings.

I just took action for the good of the herd.
 
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