I'll second that. I was not only unhappy about the trade for Webber, I was convinced he would absolutely destroy the franchise. 
LOL....Am I safe in assuming you wanted to bang your head on your wall a couple of times shortly after the conclusion, as heartbreaking as it may have been, of the 2002 campaign??????
im now pitching Dorrell wright as our SF and Brandan wright as our PF/shot blocker, we need it with our perimeter defense...we could prolly get both for 3yrs/15 mil each...MAKE IT HAPPEN PETE. i dont know how we are gonna get rid of the clutter on our bench bt so i dunno...
Vasquez
Mclemore
D.Wright
B.Wright
Cousins
we still get spacing with mclemore and d.wright...brandan wright can run pick and rolls(vasquez needs pick and rolls to be affective) and block shots...now the bench has a lot of players so i dun kno what to do with them bt malone can figure it out/
Vasquez
Mclemore
D.Wright
B.Wright
Cousins
we still get spacing with mclemore and d.wright...brandan wright can run pick and rolls(vasquez needs pick and rolls to be affective) and block shots...now the bench has a lot of players so i dun kno what to do with them bt malone can figure it out/
At least as season. AT LEAST. Because you neither you, nor I have any clue how this roster would play together, nor are we close to being a finished product. Malone needs time to install his system. PDA needs time to go accumulate the talents he wants. If PDA came out tomorrow and said "OK! We are officially done with the rebuild! Championship time!", then you'd have something to be worried about. But we haven't even scratched the surface of finishing this roster.
What's upsetting is the outrage over breaking up a team that hasn't won 30 games in 4 years. We don't need to rehash the reasons why (well-documented), but you're fooling yourself if you think it was all on coaching and management.
What's upsetting is the outrage over breaking up a team that hasn't won 30 games in 4 years. We don't need to rehash the reasons why (well-documented), but you're fooling yourself if you think it was all on coaching and management.
right im going to put it out now and you all know me enough that you can hold me too it...
I don't like the hiring of PDA and I didn't like how he has come across in interviews so far. I hope im wrong but it just seems like he cant quite belive he has the job and doesnt really know what he is doing. i also dont like the way our owner got involved with the draft and i hate the Tyreke trade.
Now that is all the negativity you will here from me ever. I will be positive from now on I promise
I don't like the hiring of PDA and I didn't like how he has come across in interviews so far. I hope im wrong but it just seems like he cant quite belive he has the job and doesnt really know what he is doing. i also dont like the way our owner got involved with the draft and i hate the Tyreke trade.
Now that is all the negativity you will here from me ever. I will be positive from now on I promise
right im going to put it out now and you all know me enough that you can hold me too it...
I don't like the hiring of PDA and I didn't like how he has come across in interviews so far. I hope im wrong but it just seems like he cant quite belive he has the job and doesnt really know what he is doing. i also dont like the way our owner got involved with the draft and i hate the Tyreke trade.
Now that is all the negativity you will here from me ever. I will be positive from now on I promise
I don't like the hiring of PDA and I didn't like how he has come across in interviews so far. I hope im wrong but it just seems like he cant quite belive he has the job and doesnt really know what he is doing. i also dont like the way our owner got involved with the draft and i hate the Tyreke trade.
Now that is all the negativity you will here from me ever. I will be positive from now on I promise
I'm not going to jump to conclusions about PDA as it's too early, despite me thinking that he bombed his first real move (not resigning Reke), but I've had the same worries that you mention. His interviews are a bit strange for a GM. I'm sure he's a really nice guy, but he doesn't seem to have poise or confidence... Seems like he's still amazed to be where he is.
I do think Pete is amazed to be where he is, and ecstatic about it at the same time. There's only 30 of these jobs in the world, he worked hard to get here and it's a dream come true. I've felt the same way when I've accomplished a huge personal goal, though never anything close to this level.
This is just the beginning of a complete changeover and we have to give it time to evolve. It's obvious what we've had isn't working. Reke isn't going to work well as a 3 or a 2 because of his shooting. As a point guard, he slows everything down too much and the team doesn't get involved. I love Reke but I don't think his value was as high as many people here think. I think he would have had more offers on the table than just NO ( & ours) if it was.
Another thing is that from what I've gotten so far is the PDA works closely with the staff and other consultants we have. I don't think Pete is making 'pull it out of his ***' decisions all by his self. It's a collective effort in the FO and there is a blueprint in place. I'm anxious to see how it unfolds but it's going to take more than a week.
At any rate, how great is this, to be arguing about Sacramento Kings basketball? I'm loving it.
This is just the beginning of a complete changeover and we have to give it time to evolve. It's obvious what we've had isn't working. Reke isn't going to work well as a 3 or a 2 because of his shooting. As a point guard, he slows everything down too much and the team doesn't get involved. I love Reke but I don't think his value was as high as many people here think. I think he would have had more offers on the table than just NO ( & ours) if it was.
Another thing is that from what I've gotten so far is the PDA works closely with the staff and other consultants we have. I don't think Pete is making 'pull it out of his ***' decisions all by his self. It's a collective effort in the FO and there is a blueprint in place. I'm anxious to see how it unfolds but it's going to take more than a week.
At any rate, how great is this, to be arguing about Sacramento Kings basketball? I'm loving it.
I m not judging PDA yet, but right now i m really jealous, when i m looking at teams like NOLA, Rockets, Warriors. These franchises all fill their needs and did some spectacular moves, while as a Kings-Fan you basically sit and wait for something positive to happen.
This is the first Offseason i follow closely via all the internet stuff out there and i m starting to believe, that i should stay away from doing so or i will run in some serious health issues soon...
This is the first Offseason i follow closely via all the internet stuff out there and i m starting to believe, that i should stay away from doing so or i will run in some serious health issues soon...
I m not judging PDA yet, but right now i m really jealous, when i m looking at teams like NOLA, Rockets, Warriors. These franchises all fill their needs and did some spectacular moves, while as a Kings-Fan you basically sit and wait for something positive to happen.
This is the first Offseason i follow closely via all the internet stuff out there and i m starting to believe, that i should stay away from doing so or i will run in some serious health issues soon...
This is the first Offseason i follow closely via all the internet stuff out there and i m starting to believe, that i should stay away from doing so or i will run in some serious health issues soon...
I really like what GM Pete has done so far, and I am excited to see what player comes in for the SF position, hopefully it isn't Dorell Wright (or if it is, to serve as a backup would be nice).
Is Kirilenko still available? he was interested in the Kings before... I'd love that move. Delfino would be interesting too, but only on a cheap deal. He made 3M last year, and might want more.
Not sure how much I'd be willing to go in on Kirilenko.
Is Kirilenko still available? he was interested in the Kings before... I'd love that move. Delfino would be interesting too, but only on a cheap deal. He made 3M last year, and might want more.
Not sure how much I'd be willing to go in on Kirilenko.
I wouldn't be very excited for Delfino. I just looked at the available free agents at the SF position, and those are the only two that I cared for. I would be excited to land Kirilenko over James White, wouldn't you? Would you like to see fn Salmons back in there? Or would you have rather paid Igoudala 13 million per year? Talk to me man, let me know whats going on
Well it is likely that you need to overpay the players to join the Kings via FA. In this case i would overpay Igoudala but i would refuse to overpay Kirilenko or Delfino. I doubt that the team will make the Playoffs with Kirilenko starting.
The only way left to improve the tieam is to trade for a SF, that can develop into the 3rd option alongside Cousins and Mclemore. Someone like Turner, Chandler f.e.
But i dont know if this is possible at all.
The only way left to improve the tieam is to trade for a SF, that can develop into the 3rd option alongside Cousins and Mclemore. Someone like Turner, Chandler f.e.
But i dont know if this is possible at all.
"1 or 2 years of a vet SF that can shoot?" WTF. Im really starting too lose faith in the four eyed nerd mr clean looking guy running our franchise. We need a Gay, Deng , Granger, ect ect at that spot...
Who the **** is going too create offense when the D tightens up? It cant be up too cousins everytime as that option... We need a creative scorer there that can do it on his own. Maybe theres a good reason Pete was always an assistant...
He needs too make a big move with that capspace too get a star back or else im going to be frickan pissed...
Ive had a bad feeling/bad vibes from PDA since his first Press conference. I kinda wish we would of just hired Chris Wallace.. at least he values defense.. (will give pete credit for going after iggy tho, but i also take credit away for losin reke and not drafting whithey or mitchell.)) After days of thinkin about the reke trade my opinions keep changing about it.
And right now im extremely dissapointed we let him go for someone that cant defend. Although, I like Greivas' passing ability and leadership... I know that defense wins you 'ships. and it starts at Point Guard.
I hope our team learns too rotate defensively faster then flash frickan gordon because Vasquez will be attacked and beaten by much like Jimmer is. And trust me when i say this. I watched 70 hornets games last year, cuz i had vasquez and two other players on my fantasy teams..
I thought Defense was our number one priority?
Who the **** is going too create offense when the D tightens up? It cant be up too cousins everytime as that option... We need a creative scorer there that can do it on his own. Maybe theres a good reason Pete was always an assistant...
He needs too make a big move with that capspace too get a star back or else im going to be frickan pissed...
Ive had a bad feeling/bad vibes from PDA since his first Press conference. I kinda wish we would of just hired Chris Wallace.. at least he values defense.. (will give pete credit for going after iggy tho, but i also take credit away for losin reke and not drafting whithey or mitchell.)) After days of thinkin about the reke trade my opinions keep changing about it.
And right now im extremely dissapointed we let him go for someone that cant defend. Although, I like Greivas' passing ability and leadership... I know that defense wins you 'ships. and it starts at Point Guard.
I hope our team learns too rotate defensively faster then flash frickan gordon because Vasquez will be attacked and beaten by much like Jimmer is. And trust me when i say this. I watched 70 hornets games last year, cuz i had vasquez and two other players on my fantasy teams..
I thought Defense was our number one priority?
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I am starting to think PDA is the equivalent of Musselman as NBA GM. Too heavily focused on the numbers, great in one on one presentations, but in reality isn't as good as everyone thinks. I am going to wait until the start of the season before I make a final judgement on whether or not this offseason was a success or failure, but as of right now it isn't pointing to success. Tyreke, Bmac, Iggy... oh what could have been. PDA, you better do something to impress me!
And I am one of those that like a pass first PG!
And I am one of those that like a pass first PG!
I m not judging PDA yet, but right now i m really jealous, when i m looking at teams like NOLA, Rockets, Warriors. These franchises all fill their needs and did some spectacular moves, while as a Kings-Fan you basically sit and wait for something positive to happen.
This is the first Offseason i follow closely via all the internet stuff out there and i m starting to believe, that i should stay away from doing so or i will run in some serious health issues soon...
This is the first Offseason i follow closely via all the internet stuff out there and i m starting to believe, that i should stay away from doing so or i will run in some serious health issues soon...
time to evolve? i don't understand this argument from anybody i've seen it from. what time do the kings have, exactly? demarcus cousins is heading into the final year of his rookie contract. if the kings have any hope of extending him before he hits the free agent market, then he has to buy into the team's vision. and if they do manage to extend him, and the losses are still piling up in the next couple of seasons, then how long until the big man gets cranky, gets surly, upsets the locker room, wants out altogether?
the reason i am so upset about watching tyreke walk for nothing more than a no-defense PG with the fool's gold of high assist numbers is because the most efficient way to build a winner was to begin with a core of cousins/evans/mclemore, and surround it with defensive-minded roleplayers, some of whom can share in spot-up-shooting responsibilities, and others who can share in handling/moving the ball...
C demarcus cousins
PF jason thompson
SF matt barnes
SG ben mclemore
PG tyreke evans
i've posted the above lineup four or five times already. it was a doable lineup this offseason, a realistic lineup, one that's versatile, and most importantly, one that plays some defense, y'know, the new head coach's calling card. that team might have won some games. instead, we've got this:
C demarcus cousins
PF jason thompson
SF ?
SF ben mclemore
PG grievis vasquez
instead of a trio with lockdown defensive potential in barnes (or kirilenko, potentially)/evans/mclemore, the kings are staring down the barrel of another season in which penetration exposes the weaknesses of a cousins/thompson frontcourt. i'd like to see the kings acquire a player up front who can cover some of DMC's deficiencies, but until we find a defensive big, i was seriously expecting to see a defensive upgrade at SF, but all i hear from PDA is talk of passing and shooting. even if barnes or kirilenko decide to come to sacramento, who's gonna score besides cousins? "signing" such roleplayers in my mock-starting units was contingent and complementary on evans' presence (and his ability to score at the rim). without him, what happens when big cuz is in foul trouble, and the defense has taken away the rookie's jumper? you need a player that consistently penetrates on offense, and you need a team that plays at least passable defense...
so, yes, to answer questions posed by others, "passing and shooting" are bad things if they come at the expense of defense. it's exactly what we saw from maloofs/petrie/smart. bring in shooters. start IT. move the ball. but don't play an ounce of defense, and the team will still lose. it infuriates me to see poster after poster after poster parroting people like ailene voison or grant napear, trotting out the tremendously lazy argument that, because the team never more than 28 games with tyreke evans, then he must be the problem. that's a false equivalency of the highest order, considering how poorly the team has played defensively across the last seven years...
tyreke was one of the team's best defenders, and has the potential and physical gifts to be a great defender. i was hoping to see mike malone harness that talent on the more important side of the ball. instead, i'm gonna get to watch grievis vasquez rack up assists while giving up endless ground on defense. it's not a useful trade-off when you're a team that must improve defensively if it's ever gonna climb outta the western conference's basement. "time to evolve"? yeah sure, i suppose if you don't mind watching the kings collect lottery pick after lottery pick for another five years...
i was thinking that maybe i'd see the kings develop from within, which is the surest path to building a winner, instead of the hope-and-a-prayer strategy that you'll be able to trade mediocre talent (thornton, thompson, thomas, etc.) for all-star potential, or that you'll be in a position to draft andrew wiggins, or that quality free agents will want to come to sacramento, an undesirable destination that is home to seven straight losing seasons...
the reason i am so upset about watching tyreke walk for nothing more than a no-defense PG with the fool's gold of high assist numbers is because the most efficient way to build a winner was to begin with a core of cousins/evans/mclemore, and surround it with defensive-minded roleplayers, some of whom can share in spot-up-shooting responsibilities, and others who can share in handling/moving the ball...
C demarcus cousins
PF jason thompson
SF matt barnes
SG ben mclemore
PG tyreke evans
i've posted the above lineup four or five times already. it was a doable lineup this offseason, a realistic lineup, one that's versatile, and most importantly, one that plays some defense, y'know, the new head coach's calling card. that team might have won some games. instead, we've got this:
C demarcus cousins
PF jason thompson
SF ?
SF ben mclemore
PG grievis vasquez
instead of a trio with lockdown defensive potential in barnes (or kirilenko, potentially)/evans/mclemore, the kings are staring down the barrel of another season in which penetration exposes the weaknesses of a cousins/thompson frontcourt. i'd like to see the kings acquire a player up front who can cover some of DMC's deficiencies, but until we find a defensive big, i was seriously expecting to see a defensive upgrade at SF, but all i hear from PDA is talk of passing and shooting. even if barnes or kirilenko decide to come to sacramento, who's gonna score besides cousins? "signing" such roleplayers in my mock-starting units was contingent and complementary on evans' presence (and his ability to score at the rim). without him, what happens when big cuz is in foul trouble, and the defense has taken away the rookie's jumper? you need a player that consistently penetrates on offense, and you need a team that plays at least passable defense...
so, yes, to answer questions posed by others, "passing and shooting" are bad things if they come at the expense of defense. it's exactly what we saw from maloofs/petrie/smart. bring in shooters. start IT. move the ball. but don't play an ounce of defense, and the team will still lose. it infuriates me to see poster after poster after poster parroting people like ailene voison or grant napear, trotting out the tremendously lazy argument that, because the team never more than 28 games with tyreke evans, then he must be the problem. that's a false equivalency of the highest order, considering how poorly the team has played defensively across the last seven years...
tyreke was one of the team's best defenders, and has the potential and physical gifts to be a great defender. i was hoping to see mike malone harness that talent on the more important side of the ball. instead, i'm gonna get to watch grievis vasquez rack up assists while giving up endless ground on defense. it's not a useful trade-off when you're a team that must improve defensively if it's ever gonna climb outta the western conference's basement. "time to evolve"? yeah sure, i suppose if you don't mind watching the kings collect lottery pick after lottery pick for another five years...
i was thinking that maybe i'd see the kings develop from within, which is the surest path to building a winner, instead of the hope-and-a-prayer strategy that you'll be able to trade mediocre talent (thornton, thompson, thomas, etc.) for all-star potential, or that you'll be in a position to draft andrew wiggins, or that quality free agents will want to come to sacramento, an undesirable destination that is home to seven straight losing seasons...
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