[Game] Game 82 Kings @ Lakers, 4/15/15 7:30pdt, 10:30edt

I feel like this is misleading, perhaps exceptionally so. Yeah, it's "all over the web," in the sense that fan sites are all talking about it. Which, in turn, generates "buzz" which, in turn, the talking heads, in today's culture of "24 hour news cycle," are all compelled to "report." But the thing is, they're not actually reporting any news, they're just reporting what "people" are talking about, "people" being us.

Basically, what's happening is someone like Cousins makes a super-vague tweet, nobody knows what the hell he means by it, so they start making **** up, somebody on a blog or a message board like this one decides to see how many people he can spin into abject panic, and, like a hundred people take the bait and start tweeting about it. Then the people that follow them start tweeting about it. And then, the people that follow them start tweeting about it... and the next thing you know, you've got Aaron Bruski tweeting that "trade speculation has 'jumped' considerably."

But where are they getting their information from? Nobody credible. Nobody in the front office is trying to trade Cousins. Now, that begs the question, "Well, why aren't they trying to get out in front of all this speculation and deny it, then?" And, to me, I look at how they handled the Malone firing, and I feel like the most logical explanation is that they've grossly miscalculated how good a handle they have on the story... again.

All true. But that doesn't change the fact that Grant Napear who generally wants nothing to do with proposed trade talks (I remember as a kid one of only two times I called in to KHTK being about a rumored Heat/Kings trade where Sacramento netted Ike Austin and Jamal Mashburn for The Rock and Grant being short and saying he didn't deal in rumors and trades that hadn't happened) is suddenly fielding calls about what Kings fans would want for Cousins in trade. Or saying that a Faried/Lawson deal would be hard to turn down. Big Red has always taken his marching orders from ownership so I'm guessing it was a little testing of the waters. And unfortunately sports radio callers rarely represent the more educated fans so of course there was a lot of support for the notion.

Add in Bobby Jackson saying that everybody should be available in trades (including Cousins) and I'm starting to feel like ownership wants to float the idea out there to see how the "fanbase" reacts. Or worse yet, to lay the groundwork for a decision that has already been made.

Because while it's all fine and good to say that nobody is untradeable and that you have to explore every avenue to improve the team yadda yadda I can all but guaranteed there aren't radio hosts in New Orleans talking about how the Pelicans should be willing to consider trades for Anthony Davis. Because when you decide you've got a franchise player you don't have those sorts of conversations. You just talk about how to give that guy enough help to be a real postseason threat.
 
Big Red has always taken his marching orders from ownership so I'm guessing it was a little testing of the waters. And unfortunately sports radio callers rarely represent the more educated fans so of course there was a lot of support for the notion.
Agreed with everything you wrote except this:

The callers on the Grant Napear show are NOT representative of the fanbase - not remotely.
They are very carefully filtered, and almost all of the ones that get on air are the ones who fit the narrative of what the show is trying to push that day.
It's not a talk show - it's a guided-script propaganda show.
 
I feel like this is misleading, perhaps exceptionally so. Yeah, it's "all over the web," in the sense that fan sites are all talking about it. Which, in turn, generates "buzz" which, in turn, the talking heads, in today's culture of "24 hour news cycle," are all compelled to "report." But the thing is, they're not actually reporting any news, they're just reporting what "people" are talking about, "people" being us.

Basically, what's happening is someone like Cousins makes a super-vague tweet, nobody knows what the hell he means by it, so they start making **** up, somebody on a blog or a message board like this one decides to see how many people he can spin into abject panic, and, like a hundred people take the bait and start tweeting about it. Then the people that follow them start tweeting about it. And then, the people that follow them start tweeting about it... and the next thing you know, you've got Aaron Bruski tweeting that "trade speculation has 'jumped' considerably."

But where are they getting their information from? Nobody credible. Nobody in the front office is trying to trade Cousins. Now, that begs the question, "Well, why aren't they trying to get out in front of all this speculation and deny it, then?" And, to me, I look at how they handled the Malone firing, and I feel like the most logical explanation is that they've grossly miscalculated how good a handle they have on the story... again.

Bruski is actually the guy who I think got national fans atwitter.
 
All true. But that doesn't change the fact that Grant Napear who generally wants nothing to do with proposed trade talks (I remember as a kid one of only two times I called in to KHTK being about a rumored Heat/Kings trade where Sacramento netted Ike Austin and Jamal Mashburn for The Rock and Grant being short and saying he didn't deal in rumors and trades that hadn't happened) is suddenly fielding calls about what Kings fans would want for Cousins in trade. Or saying that a Faried/Lawson deal would be hard to turn down. Big Red has always taken his marching orders from ownership so I'm guessing it was a little testing of the waters. And unfortunately sports radio callers rarely represent the more educated fans so of course there was a lot of support for the notion.

Add in Bobby Jackson saying that everybody should be available in trades (including Cousins) and I'm starting to feel like ownership wants to float the idea out there to see how the "fanbase" reacts. Or worse yet, to lay the groundwork for a decision that has already been made.

Because while it's all fine and good to say that nobody is untradeable and that you have to explore every avenue to improve the team yadda yadda I can all but guaranteed there aren't radio hosts in New Orleans talking about how the Pelicans should be willing to consider trades for Anthony Davis. Because when you decide you've got a franchise player you don't have those sorts of conversations. You just talk about how to give that guy enough help to be a real postseason threat.
Yeah, but "nobody is untradeable" is a phrase that doesn't actually mean anything. It's basically designed to troll people, and it's working.
 
Yeah, but "nobody is untradeable" is a phrase that doesn't actually mean anything. It's basically designed to troll people, and it's working.

Definitely would be nice if all of this ultimately doesn't mean anything. Tuned in to Grant for a few minutes on the drive home from work only to hear him say that when you have a hall of fame head coach like George Karl you give him final say on personnel matters. That if he says to go out and get these guys, you go get these guys. Or if he says you can't win with this player or that player that you trade those guys.

All fine if it's just a talk show host killing time on a slow Thursday afternoon. But if it's laying the groundwork for something that something is almost certainly going to suck.
 
All true. But that doesn't change the fact that Grant Napear who generally wants nothing to do with proposed trade talks (I remember as a kid one of only two times I called in to KHTK being about a rumored Heat/Kings trade where Sacramento netted Ike Austin and Jamal Mashburn for The Rock and Grant being short and saying he didn't deal in rumors and trades that hadn't happened) is suddenly fielding calls about what Kings fans would want for Cousins in trade. Or saying that a Faried/Lawson deal would be hard to turn down. Big Red has always taken his marching orders from ownership so I'm guessing it was a little testing of the waters. And unfortunately sports radio callers rarely represent the more educated fans so of course there was a lot of support for the notion.

Add in Bobby Jackson saying that everybody should be available in trades (including Cousins) and I'm starting to feel like ownership wants to float the idea out there to see how the "fatil reacts. Or worse yet, to lay the groundwork for a decision that has already been made.

Because while it's all fine and good to say that nobody is untradeable and that you have to explore every avenue to improve the team yadda yadda I can all but guaranteed there aren't radio hosts in New Orleans talking about how the Pelicans should be willing to consider trades for Anthony Davis. Because when you decide you've got a franchise player you don't have those sorts of conversations. You just talk about how to give that guy enough help to be a real postseason threat.

While Grant has been a mouthpiece for the organization, he has also taken it upon himself to push his own agenda. Like trying to convince fans that Smart is a good coach because he liked Smart. I even think that Grant saying we couldn't stop the Kings from moving to Anaheim was self serving. In the past he's tried to convince us that Cousin's is the devil as well.

I don't see Grants negative talk about Cousins as writing on the wall. I see it as a vindictive man trying to take advantage of a situation to force Cousin's out of town by making the environment toxic
 
Definitely would be nice if all of this ultimately doesn't mean anything. Tuned in to Grant for a few minutes on the drive home from work only to hear him say that when you have a hall of fame head coach like George Karl you give him final say on personnel matters. That if he says to go out and get these guys, you go get these guys. Or if he says you can't win with this player or that player that you trade those guys.
I'm smelling a lot of "if" coming off of this post: IF Karl said this, IF Karl said that... TTBOMK, Karl hasn't said any of this, and this entire discussion depends on us believing that he did.

Well, I don't. So, where are we, now?


All fine if it's just a talk show host killing time on a slow Thursday afternoon. But if it's laying the groundwork for something that something is almost certainly going to suck.
Grant is a professional troll; it's basically his entire job description. He talks a lot of ****, to stir up the masses, and get people talking about him, and paying attention to him, and listening to his show. And he always makes sure that his comments are just oblique enough to give himself cover, so as to give him plausible deniability. When this all comes out in the wash, and Cousins isn't traded, and people are trying to call into Napear's show to give him the business, you know what he's going to say? He's going to say, "Well, I never said to trade the guy!" And he'll be telling the truth.

You think that someone as pedantic by nature as me doesn't know how this game is played? He's going to keep stirring the pot, feeding on the masses hysteria, and their paranoia, and their inferiority complexes, so that if Cousins leaves, he can claim that he called it, and when he doesn't leave, he can pencil-whip everybody to death with semantics, and say that he never actually said that we should trade him. Why? Because ratings, that's why.
 
Yeah, but "nobody is untradeable" is a phrase that doesn't actually mean anything. It's basically designed to troll people, and it's working.

From George Karl? Doubtful. We know this animal too well, or at least general NBA observers do.

That wasn't accidental. It was a shot across the bow. A you're not bigger than the team. A get with the program or else.
 
From George Karl? Doubtful. We know this animal too well, or at least general NBA observers do.

That wasn't accidental. It was a shot across the bow. A you're not bigger than the team. A get with the program or else.
It was boilerplate coach-speak. You're reading too much into it.
 
You think that someone as pedantic by nature as me doesn't know how this game is played? He's going to keep stirring the pot, feeding on the masses hysteria, and their paranoia, and their inferiority complexes, so that if Cousins leaves, he can claim that he called it, and when he doesn't leave, he can pencil-whip everybody to death with semantics, and say that he never actually said that we should trade him. Why? Because ratings, that's why.
What if we turned the tables on him?

What if the fans showed him he's playing around with fire if we called, tweeted, and harassed KHTK and the Kings and suggest/demand that GRANT be fired or "traded"?

As long as Grant thinks he can stay behind the mic and attack anybody he wants and say anything he wants with no repercussions, then he will just continue doing this....
 
You let me know how that goes.
Fascinating, that fans can get a useless nickname like Sauce Castillo to actually happen, but can't even try a referendum on a Kings personnel who is actively damaging the team's future by trying to get the Kings' franchise player traded.

Nice to see Kings Fans have their priorities in check...
 
You want to really do something that will affect Grant Napear? Turn your dial to the right. If you actually think that your "write-in" campaign could possibly have the effect that you think it would, I'm afraid I've got some bad news...
 
While Grant has been a mouthpiece for the organization, he has also taken it upon himself to push his own agenda. Like trying to convince fans that Smart is a good coach because he liked Smart. I even think that Grant saying we couldn't stop the Kings from moving to Anaheim was self serving. In the past he's tried to convince us that Cousin's is the devil as well.

I don't see Grants negative talk about Cousins as writing on the wall. I see it as a vindictive man trying to take advantage of a situation to force Cousin's out of town by making the environment toxic
Probably this. Unfortunately vindictive gets ratings.
 
You want to really do something that will affect Grant Napear? Turn your dial to the right. If you actually think that your "write-in" campaign could possibly have the effect that you think it would, I'm afraid I've got some bad news...

Although realistically turning your dial would only matter if you then let somebody know you were turning your dial... ;)
 
That's when you come to KingsFans, and post your manifesto, "Why I stopped listening to Grant Napear (and you should, too)." ;)
 
Fascinating, that fans can get a useless nickname like Sauce Castillo to actually happen, but can't even try a referendum on a Kings personnel who is actively damaging the team's future by trying to get the Kings' franchise player traded.

Nice to see Kings Fans have their priorities in check...

a lot of those Kings fans voices that are heard more than others on social media, and also in person,or the "celebrity Kings fans" you might call them, seem to be the type that are just fans because the team is here and it's something to do, not because they love Basketball, and don't really have much of a vast knowledge of the game (like basically everyone on this board does). From following a lot of them i can tell they don't really watch any other NBA games, and a lot of times don't even watch the Kings if they have something better going on. But they do buy season tickets so their input is heard. Like when they want Sauce Castillo merchandise

probably has something to do with it.
 
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Well, I had us winning 35 games... so we won 29. It is not an improvement. That is status quo +1

Wrong. By mere definition, 29 is an improvement over 28. It may not be MUCH of an improvement, but that's a different topic.
 
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