Fischer: Kings willing to trade anyone except Keegan and Nique
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Think that is what Keon is for. Unfortunately.
His contract situation makes things very interesting. If he wants to go to a capped out team and re-sign long term he could get a nice collection of picks since the team acquiring him doesn't have to give up anything. Or he is sweetener to get off a big deal, but that means receiving team will have to pay him next year and may get into cap trouble.No matter what happens with Keon Ellis, the Kings are going to be on the losing end. This makes me more angry than anything these idiots have done in a while.
The real loss is a fan favorite and great guy we discovered and developed leaving town. But we could definitely come out ahead if we're smart.
I don't like that the trade deadline is Feb 5 and Feb 9 is the earliest we can extend him. We can blame Perry for not declining his option and paying him this year, but how stupid was it a few years ago not to convert his two way before Feb 1 so this wasn't a possibility?
Kingz19
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Kings will almost assuredly have to trade Keon and should be giving him all the opportunity to up his value so he isn’t just a sweetener for whatever albatross contract we’re unloading,
I don’t think he returns to the Kings next season. One because I think he wanted an extension this past offseason and instead had a well below value option picked up, his minutes aren’t consistent and most of all the Kings suck
I don’t see the Warriors pursuing Domas though otherwise I’d be intrigued by any Kuminga, Moody package. Without giving up picks to them. Draymond and Domas make no sense together.
I’d think the Warriors would be more inclined to pursue LaVine out of anybody on the Kings. Keon might serve as a sweetener there.
For Domas I view teams like Boston, Indiana, Toronto, maybe Portland as likely suitors.
But a thinner market for him since for him to be worth his salary, a team would have to commit to running a lot of action through him . If you do what the Kings have done and decided to do starting with last season, especially after the Fox trade, Which is mostly just a rebounder and rim runner. He becomes vastly overpaid and difficult to market.
Ultimately, I see the Kings not being able to move off Domas during this season.
Don’t see Schroder or Monk moving this year.
Russ I think will get traded to a playoff team before the deadline. Maybe a second rounder if he’s playing very well. I think some east playoff team like possibly Detroit, NY, or Orlando will look to add him .
Deebo I think will be the first. Maybe to Milwaukee for Kuzma or something like that. The deal being that Kuzma expires sooner but DeRozan is a better secondary scoring option in these last couple of seasons of Giannis. Look at their roster, they have almost nobody else that can create their own shot, except Kuzma, but he hasn’t performed well there
But either way, I don’t expect too much by way of valuable draft picks or prospects coming the Kings way as a result of a fire sale. It will mostly just be that we can start rebuilding
I don’t think he returns to the Kings next season. One because I think he wanted an extension this past offseason and instead had a well below value option picked up, his minutes aren’t consistent and most of all the Kings suck
I don’t see the Warriors pursuing Domas though otherwise I’d be intrigued by any Kuminga, Moody package. Without giving up picks to them. Draymond and Domas make no sense together.
I’d think the Warriors would be more inclined to pursue LaVine out of anybody on the Kings. Keon might serve as a sweetener there.
For Domas I view teams like Boston, Indiana, Toronto, maybe Portland as likely suitors.
But a thinner market for him since for him to be worth his salary, a team would have to commit to running a lot of action through him . If you do what the Kings have done and decided to do starting with last season, especially after the Fox trade, Which is mostly just a rebounder and rim runner. He becomes vastly overpaid and difficult to market.
Ultimately, I see the Kings not being able to move off Domas during this season.
Don’t see Schroder or Monk moving this year.
Russ I think will get traded to a playoff team before the deadline. Maybe a second rounder if he’s playing very well. I think some east playoff team like possibly Detroit, NY, or Orlando will look to add him .
Deebo I think will be the first. Maybe to Milwaukee for Kuzma or something like that. The deal being that Kuzma expires sooner but DeRozan is a better secondary scoring option in these last couple of seasons of Giannis. Look at their roster, they have almost nobody else that can create their own shot, except Kuzma, but he hasn’t performed well there
But either way, I don’t expect too much by way of valuable draft picks or prospects coming the Kings way as a result of a fire sale. It will mostly just be that we can start rebuilding
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I think I would have a stroke if we somehow traded Deebo for Kuzma.
iowamcnabb
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Apparently the Warriors actually do have interest in Domas. Kings insiders have been told this allegedly. Draymond would be a really good pairing with him and he would work good in their offense. His contract also lines up with the end of this Warriors era. He would cost less than Lauri too.
reptilexcq2
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Westbrook for a bag of potato chip
Lavine for a salmon
DeRozen for a PS5 controller
Sabonis for a $100 gift card
Monk for a McDonald's meal
LET'S GO!
Lavine for a salmon
DeRozen for a PS5 controller
Sabonis for a $100 gift card
Monk for a McDonald's meal
LET'S GO!
Counterpoint: Monk and Sabonis are not going to be part of the Kings, when and/or if they are ready to compete, so why waste their primes?
Build "around"? Absolutely not. Build with? Why not?
The Kings have had maybe 5 players in the last 20 years who are the level of defender that Ellis is. Oh and he's also a career 43% three point shooter on 560 attempts to date. Some people would consider that a player worth building around.
Which team(s) currently above .500 is built around a 3-and-D player?
ShastaKingsFan
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Are you then of the opinion that Christie is not really in charge of rotations and playing time?
SacTownKid
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It matters because a team that wants him probably thinks he's ready to help now. And he is. Hence why a team not just rebuilding would want him now. Keon isn't just someone who has value in being what he can be, it's what he is now and that could indeed be why a team like the Kings doesn't want to overpay him. He kind of is what he is, a 3 and D role guy who needs to get paid now, not later. I still think it's stupid because he's not getting like 30 million a year anyway.
iowamcnabb
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I am not usually the Debbie downer type but I think we have given Keon too much credit for his defense. He can’t guard quick and strong guards, cant guard up, gambles for steals that occasionally burns him and fouls a lot. He is incredibly disruptive (maybe one of the best in the league) but I would make an argument that Devin Carter is a better and more versatile defender. On offense he is an upper tier shooter but he pump fakes more than he shoots, doesn’t rebound, pass well or excel in transition. Would I like him on the team? Yes, I hope we re-sign him and give him a consistent role. Having said that, if there is only room for one player of his archetype(defense first smaller guard), I’d put my money on Devin Carter figuring out offense to go with his more versatile defense, passing and rebounding.
ShastaKingsFan
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How about paying him what he's worth. How much more is Dennis Shroder really worth right now, compared to Keon
SacTownKid
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The most Kangz thing ever is that both Keon and Devin play pretty well together yet they rarely have. Carter being more on ball on both ends and Keon being off ball on both ends is literally perfect on paper, but this is the Kings after all, lol.
I think the question is how many teams would be happy with him at 20 million - there probably aren't many that can offer him that next year, but if the Kings sign him to that and then realize it's not happening soon, is he still attractive if we shop him or is he in that new NBA middle class that is still being re-defined under this CBA?
iowamcnabb
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Yeh that’s a fun duo that I’m hoping to see after the trade deadline. Deebo being traded frees up 35 minutes by himself
Kingz19
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I really don’t see the Domas and Draymond pairing at all. I didn’t when there were talking of him coming here a couple of years ago, even less now that Domas still isn’t shooting the ball very well on the perimeter.
But I may be thinking of Domas as an offensive engine where as his role might be different in the Warriors. His rebounding and interior scoring may be worth it.
I don’t think he goes well with Draymond. I know they had Bogut/Draymond, and Looney/Draymond but I view their roster a little different than I did when they had those pairings with Klay gone and Butler being a more iso guy.
You and I may be defining "building around" differently.
SacTownKid
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Yeah, but signing Schroder was dumb to begin with. Schroder could have probably got something close but this was clearly another Lyles where it's like hey, what's the actual market here? Same with Keon. I totally don't believe loading up the cap on day 1 in a rebuild is by any means smart but yeah, Keon at MLE type money ain't killing anything at this point. If they literally can't move any other salary like Monk it would hurt though because it all adds up and the more years a team waits to get anywhere the more they have to start paying just to keep what they have and thus, you have your 20 year droughts.
TaxMan
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The only thing that would give me a little pause on Perry’s strategy would be if he’s able to flip Precious, Eubanks,Westbrook, and Schroeder (unlikely) for at least a few second round picks or late firsts. I always felt for some of these bad teams they are better off grabbing some of the late vet free agent adds over the summer to then trade them in for picks at the deadline to teams looking to make a second half push.
Don't be silly, Doug and Perry are clearly correct in their valuation that "defense" and "elite shooting" has nothing to do with winning basketball games.
sono
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A piece to build around, I absolutely agree with Dave.
Probably. The whole concept of "franchise player" is already pretty loosely defined. Do you get to be one of those if you can't get your team to the playoffs or are you just your franchise's best player? By some definitions we may not have had a single franchise player here in Sacramento since Chris Webber. Consequently, if we're supposed to wait until we have a superstar player to start building we may be waiting forever.
I would consider any two-way player (that is anyone who is a positive contributor on both offense and defense) to be a player worth keeping. Especially if they're only 25 years old. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who could eventually be a part of a winning team and is young enough to still be playable 3 years from now when we have a chance at maybe being a winning team again is in the core group and we're building around them. Doesn't mean they are the featured player, just means they're on the team.
gunks
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Nique + Keegan as our main options, battling it out for a chance at a top 5 pick the next few seasons, does have appeal to this Kings fan, who is tired as hell of all the mediocrity.
I just wish Carter and Keon were included in the "untouchables". Both of those guys are going to have a Davion-esque impact wherever they end up.
I just wish Carter and Keon were included in the "untouchables". Both of those guys are going to have a Davion-esque impact wherever they end up.
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The latter, at least in my Personal Record Book™.
I find myself in agreement with those definitions.
Glad that we're in agreement. Except for the part where you think that counts as "building around," and I don't.
Too much credit? Really? Is there a cap on how many good defenders a team is allowed to have at once? This is the kind of craziness that I expect from Kings management but not from the fans. We have a guy who is an incredibly disruptive defender and a knock down shooter and we got him undrafted and have had to pay him practically nothing (by NBA standards) for the last 3 years. If we can't find minutes for a player like that on a last place team than we deserve to be a last place team forever.
What's the end goal here? Even if we trade Keon for 3 first round picks odds are none of those picks will be as good as Keon is right now and I think you know that or at least you ought to. Anyone who has watched the Kings draft in the first round for the last 20 years should know that. So why trade him? So that we can suck even more and hopefully get lucky in the lottery? Is he standing in the way of the tank? Are we the only team in the league who is too good for a 3 and D role-player?