ESPN says front office is lazy

[Rookie]

It's tough to judge his effectiveness when the facts are never clear. A more transparent deal is open to criticism because all the facts are known. How many time have we read "since I don't know the whole story, it's hard to judge" on this board?

I don't need all facts, just your reasoning.

You stated his super-secret obsession serves only him and not the team. I would like to know how you came to that conclusion.

To me all GMs want to (or try to) make their team better for the simple fact, it keeps them their job. With that being said, if he only serves himself and not the team...in the end he would lose.

 

[kennadog]

And also, and as I expected, some of Petrie's relatives will come to his rescue giving reason/alibi/defense for him even when those ESPN writers are clearly much knowledgeable than them about how and what goes on in the trading block.

Thanks, I needed the laugh.

"Knowledgeable" and "ESPN" don't belong in the same sentence.

 

[cstorm]

I don't need all facts, just your reasoning.

You stated his super-secret obsession serves only him and not the team. I would like to know how you came to that conclusion.

To me all GMs want to (or try to) make their team better for the simple fact, it keeps them their job. With that being said, if he only serves himself and not the team...in the end he would lose.

You seem to be missing my point, or I'm missing yours.
If a GM hides his failures by being secretive he is serving himself and not the team. If a GM hides his incompetence or laziness by being secretive he is serving himself and not the team. In the end, the TEAM will lose, he's making millions.
I find it hard to believe that being secretive makes you a better deal-maker. A better poker player, but not a better deal-maker.

 

[kennadog]

Now i would have gladly paid 40 for it but since i knew she was just trying to get rid of it i was able to get a deal.

I have had a few garage sales in my time. I could of made a whole lot more money, if only I'd sold to the person who asks what I sold something for and then says, "I would have paid you more for that." While seething inside that they didn't make an offer earlier, I'm saying to myself,"Easy for you to say, now that you know you won't actually have to part with the money."

And is exactly the equivalent of things that happen in an actual market place, like the NBA. If someone really wanted Martin and was willing to part with something better from the Kings persepective, then they were the bad GM. Just like my fargae sale shopper, it's easy for them to say that, when they know they won't actually have to give up anything. It's too late. You snooze, you lose.

 

[Rookie]

You seem to be missing my point, or I'm missing yours.
If a GM hides his failures by being secretive he is serving himself and not the team. If a GM hides his incompetence or laziness by being secretive he is serving himself and not the team. In the end, the TEAM will lose, he's making millions.
I find it hard to believe that being secretive makes you a better deal-maker. A better poker player, but not a better deal-maker.

If its true it would show in his results.

A three way deal is not laziness or incompetence, it takes a lot of work and strategy to set it up and get it done.

I understand exactly what you're saying...if you dont speak, noone knows you're an idiot. But you're idiocy will eventually show through your action. If anything GP history has shown he's no idiot. Some bad trade yes but overall he had done well.

 

[Spike]

I think ESPN is lazy. There!

 

[cstorm]

If its true it would show in his results.

A three way deal is not laziness or incompetence, it takes a lot of work and strategy to set it up and get it done.

I understand exactly what you're saying...if you dont speak, noone knows you're an idiot. But you're idiocy will eventually show through your action. If anything GP history has shown he's no idiot. Some bad trade yes but overall he had done well.

I won't pretend to seriously second guess GP. I don't have nearly the basketball knowledge that many have on this board. I'm just making the point that I don't like his secretive style and think the Kings would be better served by a more transparent approach.

 

[Spike]

We would be better served by a more transparent approach. There's no need for Petrie to tell us anything.

 

[Arco Thunder]

I think ESPN is lazy. There!

I remember ESPN mispronouncing some of the names of our players back in the glory days. It always got on my nerves. It was like they only watched us when they absolutely had to.

 

[Tetsujin]

I remember ESPN mispronouncing some of the names of our players back in the glory days. It always got on my nerves. It was like they only watched us when they absolutely had to.

Or all star weekend and Omar Craspri. Who?

 

[cstorm]

We would be better served by a more transparent approach. There's no need for Petrie to tell us anything.

I won't dispute your point, but aren't WE the whole reason the Kings and the NBA exist?

 

[hammystyle]

If its true it would show in his results.

A three way deal is not laziness or incompetence, it takes a lot of work and strategy to set it up and get it done.

I understand exactly what you're saying...if you dont speak, noone knows you're an idiot. But you're idiocy will eventually show through your action. If anything GP history has shown he's no idiot. Some bad trade yes but overall he had done well.

History tells us Petrie's always been an excellent drafter. His trade skills have been up and down. His salary cap management and contract negotiation is among the worst.

 

[pshn80]

We would be better served by a more transparent approach. There's no need for Petrie to tell us anything.

I think you've got it. Thanks.

 

[kennadog]

I won't dispute your point, but aren't WE the whole reason the Kings and the NBA exist?

I'm sorry, but it's a business. Businesses don't negotiate deals transparently. Anyone in business who lets everyone in the world know what they are trying to get in a deal pretty much loses all their negotiating power.

It is a lot like poker. If you play at a table where you can't see others cards, but everyone can see yours, who do you think will lose the most, if not all hands? Shoot, you might as well never sit down at the table.

Or guess what happens if you tell a car salesman how much you're willing to spend on a new car? You won't ever hear about the discounts or lower price you could have had, so you have no power to negotiate for a lower price.

 

[Rookie]

History tells us Petrie's always been an excellent drafter. His trade skills have been up and down. His salary cap management and contract negotiation is among the worst.

salray management and contract negotiation I agreed he is below average.

But overall his plan of setting the stage for 2010 is coming to play nicely. Lots of $$ for FA with lots of young talents, I know some of you could do better but as for me, I'm happy we got GP. Will it all plan out, only the future can tell.

 

[cstorm]

I'm sorry, but it's a business. Businesses don't negotiate deals transparently. Anyone in business who lets everyone in the world know what they are trying to get in a deal pretty much loses all their negotiating power.

It is a lot like poker. If you play at a table where you can't see others cards, but everyone can see yours, who do you think will lose the most, if not all hands? Shoot, you might as well never sit down at the table.

Or guess what happens if you tell a car salesman how much you're willing to spend on a new car? You won't ever hear about the discounts or lower price you could have had, so you have no power to negotiate for a lower price.

I don't want to beat this to death because I don't believe there is a definite right or wrong here, but...
It would make selling cars a little easier if the salesperson put an ad in the paper and let everyone know what kind of financing options were available, therefor letting buyers know "You could be sitting behind the wheel of this beauty TONIGHT for ZERO DOWN!" even though they previously thought it wasn't possible.

 

[Tetsujin]

I don't want to beat this to death because I don't believe there is a definite right or wrong here, but...
It would make selling cars a little easier if the salesperson put an ad in the paper and let everyone know what kind of financing options were available, therefor letting buyers know "You could be sitting behind the wheel of this beauty TONIGHT for ZERO DOWN!" even though they previously thought it wasn't possible.

But we weren't hell bent on trading Martin so your analogy is moot.

 

[Spike]

I don't want to beat this to death because I don't believe there is a definite right or wrong here, but...
It would make selling cars a little easier if the salesperson put an ad in the paper and let everyone know what kind of financing options were available, therefor letting buyers know "You could be sitting behind the wheel of this beauty TONIGHT for ZERO DOWN!" even though they previously thought it wasn't possible.

And then I'm still going to want to take national/state incentives as well as work in my trade-in.

 

[Superman]

But we weren't hell bent on trading Martin so your analogy is moot.

We did trade him, and it's not because a deal that was too good to pass up came along. I'm in favor of the deal mostly, but it's not like it was a home run for us with absolutely no drawbacks. I think they were pretty set on moving Martin, and they took the best deal offered at the deadline.

 

[cstorm]

But we weren't hell bent on trading Martin so your analogy is moot.

I don't know..let me speak with my manager and see if I can accept this.
I won't make a dime on this deal, but hey...you seem like you deserve a break.

 

[slugking50]

The Monday per Diem column on Espn.com says the Kings front office got outworked and got robbed. It said the Kings should have gotten a lot more for K-Mart.

"That story echoes a fairly constant background noise that's been heard about Sacramento in recent years. The Kings have a small front office and nearly everybody in it has been there forever; one gets the impression not that they've lost their basketball acumen, but that they aren't putting in the legwork anymore."

"A series of lazy deals -- giving Beno Udrih the full midlevel rather than checking out the point guard market, or signing Francisco Garcia to a ridiculous $35 million extension -- were the first indicators, and this is the latest. Sacramento made an OK deal with Martin -- I gave the Kings a B-plus on the merits of the trade itself -- but the Kings had the assets to put together a great deal and failed."

"The Kings weren't the only ones who sold themselves short, by the way. Several other NBA execs were disappointed they hadn't been told more openly of Martin's availability, feeling they had the goods to make a substantial offer for his services. Boston was a perfect fit, but by no means the only one.

Thus, we get to perhaps the greatest unknown of this year's trade season: What contender might have been able to win the Martin sweepstakes had such an event been held, and how might that have altered the coming postseason?"

Perie said he was pretty sure he wasn't going to trade Martin at all. It was only when the Rockets called that Petrie even entertained pulling the trigger. Martin was never "on the market" The trade just happened.

 

[Rookie]

I don't want to beat this to death because I don't believe there is a definite right or wrong here, but...
It would make selling cars a little easier if the salesperson put an ad in the paper and let everyone know what kind of financing options were available, therefor letting buyers know "You could be sitting behind the wheel of this beauty TONIGHT for ZERO DOWN!" even though they previously thought it wasn't possible.

Glad I don't work for you....I'm just another car in you eyes.

 

[cstorm]

Perie said he was pretty sure he wasn't going to trade Martin at all. It was only when the Rockets called that Petrie even entertained pulling the trigger. Martin was never "on the market" The trade just happened.

Even more proof, if true that Petrie wasn't on the ball. If a trade happened, it was out there and Petrie didn't see the possibilities. What other trades did he not envision because of his strong silent routine?

 

[kennadog]

Perie said he was pretty sure he wasn't going to trade Martin at all. It was only when the Rockets called that Petrie even entertained pulling the trigger. Martin was never "on the market" The trade just happened.

I totally disagree with this premise. He always says that. He pretty much said Webber was not going to be traded up until he was. But I'm certain he was looking for a deal the whole time.

As a matter of fact, I could read the bolded part as a message to other GMs as saying, "Hey, no one's made even close to a good enough offer yet."

 

[kidult]

We got a decent F in landry, we'll have another high lottery pick, and we have cap for a star player this summer. I'll wait before i judge.