ESPN Rondo for 4th and JT or Hawes?!?!?!

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Just saw this on ESPN, didn't see it posted here.

The Kings have also reached out to the Celtics and would be willing to deal the No. 4 pick if they could get Rondo in return. The Celtics would likely want more than just the No. 4 pick for Rondo -- and the Kings might be willing to throw in either Jason Thompson or Spencer Hawes to make it happen.

Are they serious? Does anybody here think this would be a good idea? The 4th AND JT or Hawes for Rondo? Sorry, this is just stupid to me. Sure I like Rondo but the dude has been playing with 3 stars... of course he's going to look good.
 
It's ESPN, so it's most likely just a rumor someone put up to fill space...

And it's almost exactly like a trade proposal that was posted here about a week ago - or maybe more since all the trade stuff runs together after a while.
 
He's the best defensive PG in the league. Period. And probably will be for a long time. That's a pretty good start to building a better defensive team. He's also a terrific rebounder. Both reasons why I wanted us to draft him in the first place. I think I'd rather have Rondo than any of the PGs in the draft this year. Does that mean he's also worth Hawes or Thompson? Well, I'm not high on that starting frontcourt as a duo anyway. I think both are good, solid players but neither one is going to be an All-Star which makes them expendable if the team gets better. Rondo is a free agent next year so maybe Ainge doesn't want to pay to keep him. If we make that trade our frontcourt next year is awfully thin though.
 
It might be just a rumor but one thing for sure... Boston's Danny Ainge is known as a GM who is not risk adverse and loves to wheel and deal. IMO, whatever deal might be possible has to include taking K9 or possibly Beno or it's too much risk for the Kings or could just end up a wash or worse when all is said and done.
 
Yeah, this was also posted over in the Rondo trade proposal thread...maybe that thread wasn't so wacky afterall. Rondo for #4 obviously is a great deal for us and a lousy one for the Celtics as Rondo may well be better than any of the guys available there, and plays both ends. But now you throw in breaking up our young frontcourt to get him...how are you going to replace that? Took us so long to finally get two full size young guys, and then we are going to break it up and have to try to replace it with nothing more than late picks?

Offer them one of those picks, or a future pick, or KTs ender, or Noc or Cisco or just anything but those two guys. this sure would have been a lot easier if we had, for instance, just DRAFTED Rondo rather than say, Quincy bleeping Douby.:rolleyes:
 
No way Kings will do it due to financial reasons alone.

Rondo is approaching the end of his rookie contract. Making this trade will require a large contract for him soon or a risk of losing him to FA within the coming years.
 
If this happened I'd be irate. I wouldn't even want to trade the #4 for Rondo straight up.


Rondo is a stud. And a proven stud. And a proven playoff stud you can win a championship with. That certainly trumps the uncertainty of #4 in this draft.

The problem is the necessity of keeping our young frontcourt together, and that we really only have 4 trade pieces of any value -- Martin, Thompson, Hawes and the #4.
 
Actually, the more I think about it, if the plan is to bring Rondo into Sacramento in his walk year with a new coach and a starting frontcourt of either Hawes and er, Diogu or Thompson and, um, Diogu? -- I think I'd pass no matter how much I like Rondo. If this teams wins 17 games again next year what are the chances Rondo will stick around to sign a new contract after just winning a championship with Garnett, Pierce, and Allen and being hailed as a playoff stud in title town? Not good I'm thinking.
 
Ive seen Rondo a ton, and I would deffinetly consider this deal assuming we can extend him before it happens, because giving him the option to walk would just be crazy because its very possible.

We want to be a better defensive team, we want a pass first point guard he absolutely fixes the point guard spot and puts a nice dent in making us a better defensive team.

Now there is the part were we have to trade Hawes or Thompson. I love them both, I really do, but they arent rare players. Rondo is a rare piece .. we can find another thompson or Hawes, say we trade JT, I would be calling NY for a potential David Lee S&T involving K9 expiring and maybe donte + pick. If we lose Hawes, maybe we go out and make a play for Gortat .. Lets just say I dont think this trade would be the end of the world - at all, I dont know if I would make it, but I would certainly think about it.
 
Ainge is going to trade away Rajon Rondo in order to pair Pierce and Garnett with a) a rookie point guard or b) Stephon Marbury?

This really doesn't add up.
 
Just doodling:

Trade #1

#4 pick
Spencer Hawes $2.1mil

for

Rajon Rondo $1.7mil
#1 pick 2010 (they do not have one this year)


Trade #2

Jason Thompson $2.0mil
Kenny Thomas $8.6mil (ender)
Beno Udrih $6.1mil
#1 pick 2010

for

Amare Stoudemire $15.1mil
either Alando Tucker $1.0mil, or Jared Dudley $1.3mil, or Robin Lopez $1.7mil (enders)

Resign Diogu
Resign McCants
Make a FA run at Fesenko/Gortat
Draft #23
Draft #31

Result:

C- Gortat/Fesenko?
PF-Amare Stoudemire
SF- Andres Nocioni
SG- Kevin Martin
PG- Rajon Rondo

6th- Cisco SG/SF
7th- McCants SG
8th- Diogu PF
9th- Greene SF/PF
10th- Tucker SG/Dudley SF/Lopez C
11th-#23
12th- #31

Enough to win with? Enough to bring back fans? Coachie might as well re-retire because there is no Princeton potential with that crew.
 
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Just saw this on ESPN, didn't see it posted here.



Are they serious? Does anybody here think this would be a good idea? The 4th AND JT or Hawes for Rondo? Sorry, this is just stupid to me. Sure I like Rondo but the dude has been playing with 3 stars... of course he's going to look good.

No freaking way. You do that type of a deal for a superstar, and Rondo ain't no superstar. So supposedly you give up two very good players for one very good player. Who in their right mind would do that deal?

I'll tell you one thing - if you have any doubts about the value of Thompson and Hawes around the league, just take a look at these rumors. People know that these guys are for real and they want them badly.
 
Ainge is going to trade away Rajon Rondo in order to pair Pierce and Garnett with a) a rookie point guard or b) Stephon Marbury?

This really doesn't add up.

He'd still have Ray Allen too, and in this scenario, one of our bigs to give him a full sized frontline.

And it should be noted Ainge was widely considered an idiot until he instantly became a genius after the one big offseason.
 
Rondo is a stud. And a proven stud. And a proven playoff stud you can win a championship with. That certainly trumps the uncertainty of #4 in this draft.

The problem is the necessity of keeping our young frontcourt together, and that we really only have 4 trade pieces of any value -- Martin, Thompson, Hawes and the #4.
Yeah, Rondo for #4 is a no-brainer, which is why the secondary piece has to be added in, but it can't be JT or Hawes. Like Brick said, you throw in an ender like K9 and swap your early second for their late first, but if the deal was contingent on either Thompson or Hawes, it's dead.

Not that it was ever alive in the first place... Rondo isn't on the block unless it's a major blockbuster caliber trade.
 
He'd still have Ray Allen too, and in this scenario, one of our bigs to give him a full sized frontline.

And it should be noted Ainge was widely considered an idiot until he instantly became a genius after the one big offseason.
Yep, him and Doc were one bad Boston Herald article away from being on unemployment.
 
I think we'll see Utah exercise their option and keep Fesenko and I don't see the Kings being the high bidder for Gortat which would leave the team without a starter at center.

But assuming those moves did work (and they did get Gortat) I think that team makes the playoffs for sure. Whether it gets out of the first round really depends on how strong Stoudamire is at this point. If he could approach his pre injury level, it could make a push. Not on the Lakers level, but with the West lacking any other real powerhouses, who knows?
 
I would definately trade the #4 pick for Rondo. I probably would trade both the #4 and the second round pick. Rondo is a Top 5 Point Guard in the league with a mean streak that can play defense and rebound. He is still very, very young. But I would not trade either of the bigs.
 
This doesn't make any sense to me...

Hes a NBA champ, great defender, great rebounder and only 23... what more could you ask for?


Sorry, personally I just don't think Rondo is what everyone else here thinks he is. He has no jumper and has been surrounded with three of the best players in the league the last 2 years. Yes, I think he is a good player, but that's it. I'm hoping for more than a good player with our #4. It may or may not happen, but I've gotta believe!!! haha
 
I would actually do a deal of that vein--I like Rondo that much. Either JT or Hawes would do it for me, although they would probably want Hawes because they already have tons of hustling role players and they'd prefer someone to stretch the defense. I know this goes against the saying "Never trade big for small", but Rondo's just so terribly unique--he's a point guard who plays big with his rebounding ability, can be an All-NBA defender, he's one of the best (and most unselfish) point guards in the league, and he's still very very young. We can certainly use that style of game, he's a legitimate all-star in future years, and he can instantly make many of our players (particularly Kevin) better.

I don't really want to let go of Hawes, but if this is the trigger to get the deal done, we have to go for it. Hawes obviously has tons of potential with his ability to pick and pop, spot up for threes and show off moves in the paint, and he's competitive, but he's only an average rebounder even for PF standards and he really tailed off in his shooting ability and defense towards the end of last year, and shows signs of inconsistency. He'll be very good for years to come, but I doubt as good as Rondo is right now--and shooting big men is actually quite common nowadays, while Rondo's skillset is unique. If Hawes and the #4th pick (we don't need the 4th pick, or Rubio or anyone else for that matter, if we get Rondo) is all that is needed to get this deal going, it needs to happen.

...I still don't know why Rondo is on the block--the Celts would be stupid if they think Tyreke Evans is their savior, and I think their belief that they sorely need an insurgence of productive youth is the impetus for the trade--but w/e.
 
If the rumor is true, I bet Ainge is looking at grabbing 4th pick for one main reason. He knows James Harden is very likely to be sitting there and Ray Allen is aging with maybe only one more season at elite high level. Second, If not Harden he knows Ricky Rubio might be there as well and he would be the replacement for Rondo, although it's hard to imagine the young Spaniard starting immediately or even T. Evans if they went with him. The more I think about it, this "possible" draft dilemma for Boston is just about same head scratch for the Kings - Harden or Rubio?
 
He's the best defensive PG in the league. Period. And probably will be for a long time. That's a pretty good start to building a better defensive team. He's also a terrific rebounder. Both reasons why I wanted us to draft him in the first place. I think I'd rather have Rondo than any of the PGs in the draft this year. Does that mean he's also worth Hawes or Thompson? Well, I'm not high on that starting frontcourt as a duo anyway. I think both are good, solid players but neither one is going to be an All-Star which makes them expendable if the team gets better. Rondo is a free agent next year so maybe Ainge doesn't want to pay to keep him. If we make that trade our frontcourt next year is awfully thin though.

I just don't understand how people make blanket statements like neither one of them is going to be an all star. How the hell do you know that. I don't know that. It took Nash 5 years to become an all star. Thompsons first year numbers were almost identical to Antonio McDyess's first year numbers. You have to give young players the benefit of the doubt, until they prove otherwise.

There is no way I would include either Thompson or Hawes in that trade. Greene maybe, and thats just maybe. I'm not as big a fan of Rondo's as some others are. He's a good defensive player and to me thats the only thing thats attractive about him. I could see Petrie calling and asking Ainge if Rondo is available and what the cost would be. And if Ainge came back with that proposal, I think the conservation ended there.
 
If the rumor is true, I bet Ainge is looking at grabbing 4th pick for one main reason. He knows James Harden is very likely to be sitting there and Ray Allen is aging with maybe only one more season at elite high level. Second, If not Harden he knows Ricky Rubio might be there as well and he would be the replacement for Rondo, although it's hard to imagine the young Spaniard starting immediately or even T. Evans if they went with him. The more I think about it, this "possible" draft dilemma for Boston is just about same head scratch for the Kings - Harden or Rubio?

The rumors say that Ainge desperately wants Evans rather than Harden. But who knows.
 
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