ESPN Rondo for 4th and JT or Hawes?!?!?!

[Nighthawk1]

As much as I love rondo, I can't do this trade unless Brick pulls off his scenario to bring in Amare/Bosh as well. Too bad we can't re-arrange the assets to give them a great offering of #4 + Noci/Greene/Cisco. That would give them a young draft piece, and either a prospect SF or a Solid defensive minded SF that can shoot the 3 ball which I think they sorely missed off of the bench. Each of those players can play multiple positions and would really help out the versatility of their bench so I can't see why they wouldn't at least give it some thought. Maybe even throw in some cash or our #31?

 

[sidney]

I don't know...this doesn't pass the smell test.

It seems like Boston has one more legit chance at the title. Is Garnett done for good maybe? I suppose that would get them to want to start over.

Then they rebuild with Rondo/Perkins/Powe/Davis and whoever they can get back with all their huge expirings they'll have over the next 2-3 years.

Trading Rondo seems like the one thing you wouldn't do. Blow up the whole thing for a shot at Tyreke Evans? Something doesn't sond right

 

[Sptsjunkie]

Rondo is a stud. And a proven stud. And a proven playoff stud you can win a championship with. That certainly trumps the uncertainty of #4 in this draft.

The problem is the necessity of keeping our young frontcourt together, and that we really only have 4 trade pieces of any value -- Martin, Thompson, Hawes and the #4.

BINGO. Agree 100%. Now the #4 and KMart for Rondo and something else would be interesting. As much as I love KMart, an all scoring no D shooting guard is much easier to replace than an amazing defensive PG who can create for others and score inside.

 

[Peter_Gibbons]

Chad Ford probably saw the thread here about the trade for Rondo idea and then just typed up some content for his insider column.

 

[SacKings7]

I don't know...this doesn't pass the smell test.

It seems like Boston has one more legit chance at the title. Is Garnett done for good maybe? I suppose that would get them to want to start over.

Then they rebuild with Rondo/Perkins/Powe/Davis and whoever they can get back with all their huge expirings they'll have over the next 2-3 years.

Trading Rondo seems like the one thing you wouldn't do. Blow up the whole thing for a shot at Tyreke Evans? Something doesn't sond right

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. This just doesn't seem to make any sense. Unless of course, they have other deals in mind in combination with this one, which is more than likely the case if this is true.

 

[Bricklayer]

As much as I love rondo, I can't do this trade unless Brick pulls off his scenario to bring in Amare/Bosh as well. Too bad we can't re-arrange the assets to give them a great offering of #4 + Noci/Greene/Cisco. That would give them a young draft piece, and either a prospect SF or a Solid defensive minded SF that can shoot the 3 ball which I think they sorely missed off of the bench. Each of those players can play multiple positions and would really help out the versatility of their bench so I can't see why they wouldn't at least give it some thought. Maybe even throw in some cash or our #31?

That would obviously change the game.

If they would do:

Rajon Rondo $1.6mil

for

#4 pick
#31 pick
Donte Greene $0.7mil

then you can trot out:

C-Hawes
PF-Thompson
SF-Nocioni
SG-Martin
PG-Rondo

6th- Cisco

Or given that that's still 4/5 of a 17 win team, you can try my Amare scenario and trot out:

C- Hawes
PF- Amare
SF- Nocioni
SG- Martin
PG- Rondo

6th Cisco
7th Diogu
8th McCants
9th Gortat
10th #23 (PG=Teague?)

Which is very talented but unfortunately combines the softest frontcourt in the league with a wimpy OG to major Charmin effect.

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Or you could go all in for defense:

Trade #1:

Rajon Rondo $1.6mil

for

#4 pick
#31 pick
Donte Greene $0.7mil

Trade #2

Spencer Hawes $2.1mil
Kenny Thomas $8.6mil (ender)
Beno Udrih $6.1mil
#1 pick 2010

for

Amare Stoudemire $15.1mil
either Alando Tucker $1.0mil, or Jared Dudley $1.3mil, or Robin Lopez $1.7mil (enders)

Trade #3

Jason Thompson $2.0mil
#23 (or future pick as we might need that #23 to get a backup PG)

for

#2 Thabeet

And put out:

C- Thabeet Defense
PF- Amare Offense
SF- Nocioni Glue Roleplayer
SG- Martin Offense
PG- Rondo Defense

6th Cisco SF/SG
7th Diogu PF
8th McCants SG
9th Gortat PF/C
10th backup PG = ? How about bringing back FA Ronnie Price? More hustle/defense.
11th Dudley/Tucker/Lopez

With both an interior anchor and perimeter anchor and a couple of hustle leaders at SF to surround our two scoring softies with.



Or alternately you could just accept that the odds of any one of those things happening, let alone all of them are quite low.

 

[fnordius]

I would maybe consider a deal along these lines, trading Hawes, if it meant that the FO was committed to bringing in a solid defender at C. RR would have to sign a reasonably priced extension first, and I'm not sure that he'd want to do that.

Otherwise, I'd much rather have 5 minutes with Geoff to talk to him about drafting some tweener shooter when what you desperately need is a pass-first PG who can defend. That's something he should have been thinking about before we drafted our 3rd SG in a row, and it's something he should be thinking hard about right now.

 

[Heuge]

Petrie has done worse...This really isnt a bad proposal.

 

[vikinginferno]

I haven't read the whole thread, but here's what I have to say. Rondo compliments KMart pretty well IMO, but if the rumor is true, then there has got to be a way to do the trade without giving up Thompson or Hawes. What about our 2 other picks? What about Garcia, Nocioni, Greene, KT (expiring)? What about a future protected first round pick?

 

[fnordius]

I haven't read the whole thread, but here's what I have to say. Rondo compliments KMart pretty well IMO, but if the rumor is true, then there has got to be a way to do the trade without giving up Thompson or Hawes. What about our 2 other picks? What about Garcia, Nocioni, Greene, KT (expiring)? What about a future protected first round pick?

Who knows? So far, we don't even have any clear indication that Boston's interested, only that we are.

 

[vikinginferno]

I wonder if this could also mean that Petrie and others may not be too happy with the possible players that would be available.

 

[Bricklayer]

I wonder if this could also mean that Petrie and others may not be too happy with the possible players that would be available.

Well it would certinaly fit with the traditional iimage of Geoff as being uncomfortable around the draft and preferring veteran players he has had a chance to see in the NBA.

It would also of course be a dramatic step towards restoring some defense. I am of two minds whether that might mean Kevin's job could be in jeopardy for his lack of effort on that end, or whether a move like this could be the ultimate enabler meant specifically to excuse Kevin -- hey we've got our defensive backcourt guy so you just go ahead and run around and look pretty so we can market you to the basketball neophytes and we'll hide you on defense.

 

[nbrans]

The thing is, I think Kevin can play defense. Before he became the scorer he is now he always did a pretty good job bothering quick point guards, and showed some potential there. It's just a matter of getting him to care on that end. And I think it's pretty tough to care when the team sucks and you have a series of jokers for coaches. Hopefully he'll start showing some leadership in that arena, and having someone with some leadership like Rondo would bring it out.

I still think it makes no sense for Boston to trade Rondo though. He really seems like the absolute last person they'd consider trading. I don't get it.

 

[gunks]

#4 plus JT or Hawes for a rent-a-Rondo is a terrible terrible idea.

I'd love Rondo on the team, but not giving away that much, not when chances are he'll walk.

 

[SacTownKid]

Hahaha, Rondo is so overrated it's just funny. Sure he's an NBA champ! But c'mon, so is Slava Medvedenko, let's get him too.

 

[Dustinlikestodance]

Hahaha, Rondo is so overrated it's just funny. Sure he's an NBA champ! But c'mon, so is Slava Medvedenko, let's get him too.

uhhhh... did you even watch the Orlando/Boston series? Rondo is a stud. If anything he's finally getting the praise he deserves as he was VASTLY underrated for the majority of the regular season.

 

[gunks]

Rondo was puttin up some prime Kidd numbers in this years playoffs...

..Overrated he aint.


I still think it would be a bad trade though, just because I doubt he sticks around (watch him walk and resign with the Celtics if we do this trade haha).

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Well it would certinaly fit with the traditional image of Geoff as being uncomfortable around the draft and preferring veteran players he has had a chance to see in the NBA.

I'm not familiar with that particular traditional image. It doesn't seem to make much sense, given that Petrie is one of the best drafters there is and has not been particularly prodigal with his draft picks -- 12 first round picks in the 15 years he's been in Sac (soon to be 14 in 16) doesn't sound like a guy uncomfortable with the draft to me.

Maybe that impression comes from the fact that he hardly makes moves on draft day? Otherwise, I don't understand where you're coming from.

 

[Bricklayer]

I'm not familiar with that particular traditional image. It doesn't seem to make much sense, given that Petrie is one of the best drafters there is and has not been particularly prodigal with his draft picks -- 12 first round picks in the 15 years he's been in Sac (soon to be 14 in 16) doesn't sound like a guy uncomfortable with the draft to me.

Maybe that impression comes from the fact that he hardly makes moves on draft day? Otherwise, I don't understand where you're coming from.

Its not hard to understand -- he doesn't like the uncertainty of the draft. Its there, he does his job, he goes home. He never makes moves for picks. He never makes moves to move up for picks or players, even when he's said to be interested in a particular player. He never plans ahead on draft positioning. He gets a pick every year. He shrugs, takes it, and goes home. And its more than a little disingenuous to try to claim this is the first time you have heard this, or to try to claim that after 20 years in the GM business that these are coincidental trends.

 

[Bricklayer]

Hahaha, Rondo is so overrated it's just funny. Sure he's an NBA champ! But c'mon, so is Slava Medvedenko, let's get him too.

Rajon Rondo, playoff stats 08-09:

14gms 41.2min 16.9pts 9.7reb 9.8ast 2.5stl 0.2blk 2.7TO

He can't shoot. That is it. Nudge me the next time you see a 6'1" PG average a triple double over the course of a deep playoff run. Matched against the rookie of the year at PG, and then the same Orlando Magic team that made Mo Williams look awful and is now in the Finals. He's not a franchise player, but he is Top 10 in the NBA at doing all the dirty work, the little things, that make you win. Especially for a team that was utterly patheitc at doing any of those little things, he makes the best kind of sense. Its price that is the issue, not fit or talent.

 

[funkykingston]

Its not hard to understand -- he doesn't like the uncertainty of the draft. Its there, he does his job, he goes home. He never makes moves for picks. He never makes moves to move up for picks or players, even when he's said to be interested in a particular player. He never plans ahead on draft positioning. He gets a pick every year. He shrugs, takes it, and goes home. And its more than a little disingenuous to try to claim this is the first time you have heard this, or to try to claim that after 20 years in the GM business that these are coincidental trends.

I've always read that same behavior differently. In my mind I've always thought of Geoff as confident enough in his abilities to draft talent that he doesn't want to give up players to move up when he feels he can always get a good player where he is.

 

[nbrans]

Its not hard to understand -- he doesn't like the uncertainty of the draft. Its there, he does his job, he goes home. He never makes moves for picks. He never makes moves to move up for picks or players, even when he's said to be interested in a particular player. He never plans ahead on draft positioning. He gets a pick every year. He shrugs, takes it, and goes home. And its more than a little disingenuous to try to claim this is the first time you have heard this, or to try to claim that after 20 years in the GM business that these are coincidental trends.

I think he approaches it seriously, I just think he doesn't generally double down on gambles. The draft is already a crapshoot, giving up an asset to take a gamble is twice as risky. Geoff is risk averse, which results in a general record of not screwing up too badly and being right more than he's wrong, but also results in some maddening stretches of mediocrity and thumb twiddling.

 

[Bballkingsrock]

Well it would certinaly fit with the traditional iimage of Geoff as being uncomfortable around the draft and preferring veteran players he has had a chance to see in the NBA.

It would also of course be a dramatic step towards restoring some defense. I am of two minds whether that might mean Kevin's job could be in jeopardy for his lack of effort on that end, or whether a move like this could be the ultimate enabler meant specifically to excuse Kevin -- hey we've got our defensive backcourt guy so you just go ahead and run around and look pretty so we can market you to the basketball neophytes and we'll hide you on defense.

I actually think Kevin Martin the capabilitie to play defense if he has good defenders around him. Especially a point guard that can play good defense. No harm in trying.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Its not hard to understand -- he doesn't like the uncertainty of the draft. Its there, he does his job, he goes home. He never makes moves for picks. He never makes moves to move up for picks or players, even when he's said to be interested in a particular player. He never plans ahead on draft positioning. He gets a pick every year. He shrugs, takes it, and goes home. And its more than a little disingenuous to try to claim this is the first time you have heard this, or to try to claim that after 20 years in the GM business that these are coincidental trends.

I don't know where you got the "coincidental trends" part, I certainly didn't try to claim that at all. And in all honesty, I was not being disingenuous about not seeing this traditional image of draft discomfort that you described. Sure, I recognize that there's been a good deal of talk about how Petrie doesn't make moves on draft day, but I don't ever remember it being spun that way, as discomfort with the draft process or the uncertainty of the draft. Petrie approaches the draft in a conservative fashion. And he's successful at it. No, he doesn't take major gambles, that's not his style. But that doesn't make him uncomfortable with the draft, it makes him conservative.

Now Ted Stepien? There's a guy who was uncomfortable with the draft.

 

[wonjaeyou]

I would seriously consider this dael.. but.. why would Boston do this?

I mean, I understand they want to get younger, but if Rondo leaves then they have no one at point guard spot. They got no money MLE.

Rondo for #4 + Hawes? um... I don't know.. I would think about it though..

 

[rainmaker]

I would seriously consider this dael.. but.. why would Boston do this?

I mean, I understand they want to get younger, but if Rondo leaves then they have no one at point guard spot. They got no money MLE.

Rondo for #4 + Hawes? um... I don't know.. I would think about it though..

I would not trade Jt or Hawes, and the 4th. The 4th, plus the 23rd, or the 4th plus beno/garcia/noc/greene would work. But I am completely against trading JT or Hawes if we don't get a quality young big in return. Of course that would solve our pg problem, but open a new one with a vacancy at our 4 or 5 spot.

 

[VF21]

I've always read that same behavior differently. In my mind I've always thought of Geoff as confident enough in his abilities to draft talent that he doesn't want to give up players to move up when he feels he can always get a good player where he is.

I think this is a pretty good assessment. I also think Petrie recognizes that pre-draft rankings aren't that reliable or necessarily indicative of the best player available to fit the needs of the Kings.

With the pretty obvious exception of Quincy Douby, I'd have to point out that he's done a pretty fair job of finding talent.

 

[SacTownKid]

uhhhh... did you even watch the Orlando/Boston series? Rondo is a stud. If anything he's finally getting the praise he deserves as he was VASTLY underrated for the majority of the regular season.

Yeah, and I also watched Bonzi Wells almost personally dropkick the Spurs back to San Antonio a few years ago in the playoffs. He's a good solid player, but anyone that thinks he's all of a sudden the second coming of Oscar Robertson is going to be extremely disappointed. Maybe, maaaaybe worth the 4th, but certainly not the 4th and Hawes/JT.

 

[Dreadnought]

No offense to Sacramento fans, but I am glad none of us have any serious influence on how GP does his work, cause some people on here really don't know what they are talking about.

 

[SacTownKid]

Rajon Rondo, playoff stats 08-09:

14gms 41.2min 16.9pts 9.7reb 9.8ast 2.5stl 0.2blk 2.7TO

He can't shoot. That is it. Nudge me the next time you see a 6'1" PG average a triple double over the course of a deep playoff run. Matched against the rookie of the year at PG, and then the same Orlando Magic team that made Mo Williams look awful and is now in the Finals. He's not a franchise player, but he is Top 10 in the NBA at doing all the dirty work, the little things, that make you win. Especially for a team that was utterly patheitc at doing any of those little things, he makes the best kind of sense. Its price that is the issue, not fit or talent.

Nudge me the next time Rajon Rondo is worth this kind of package. That's exactly my point. Rondo would be a great pickup but the reality is that he is not the player those numbers suggest that he is. If he were the entire league would be throwing down it's first born on the table to get him.