Duhon for our PG problems
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A SAR ($5.4mil)/Bonzi (S&T at around $7mil) for Duhon ($3mil)/Chandler (roughly $8-9mil?) would work salary wise and patch a lot of holes in rounding out our roster.
The question is whether the Bulls would do it (probably not) and what we could do to sweeten the deal (possible 3-team deal involving SAR going to the Bucks and Magloire going to the Bulls)?
Edit: And to add... Yes, I agree. Duhon would be a nice 1/2 guard to come off the bench for us. He's a very good defender from what I've seen, and can run the offense well. The Bulls often run the ball through him and use Hinrich more as a 2-guard when they're in together. We could do the same with Bibby.
The question is whether the Bulls would do it (probably not) and what we could do to sweeten the deal (possible 3-team deal involving SAR going to the Bucks and Magloire going to the Bulls)?
Edit: And to add... Yes, I agree. Duhon would be a nice 1/2 guard to come off the bench for us. He's a very good defender from what I've seen, and can run the offense well. The Bulls often run the ball through him and use Hinrich more as a 2-guard when they're in together. We could do the same with Bibby.
well his contract is up... he is a great player. He would represent bobby jackson very well, he plays like him. But the problem is he is tournover prone, and offensive minded, though he does defend the ball well. We need a back up who doesnt need to score, but can dish the ball to our scorers. So thats why i would choose duhon, but ur right, banks would look good as well
I don't see Banks being available with his situation in Minnesota. As he's been playing well and consistent since he's got there, and Minny are quite high on him. Basically a given he'll be re-signed, and not given up on like B-Jax/Billups were as their PGs.
Banks has more athleticism and strength than Duhon, both are quick, both pretty good scorers, Duhon the overall better shooter, as Banks can hit the mid-range shot, but not the three yet. Which he should work on in the summer. Duhon has the edge in play-making, but Banks isn't too bad in that, just needs to work on his TOs. Both good rebounders for PGs, and both are good defenders on and off the ball.
If we could get him though, I say go for it. I like Banks a lot.
Banks has more athleticism and strength than Duhon, both are quick, both pretty good scorers, Duhon the overall better shooter, as Banks can hit the mid-range shot, but not the three yet. Which he should work on in the summer. Duhon has the edge in play-making, but Banks isn't too bad in that, just needs to work on his TOs. Both good rebounders for PGs, and both are good defenders on and off the ball.
If we could get him though, I say go for it. I like Banks a lot.
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I don't agree with your statement about needing a backup who doesn't need to score but can dish the ball and defend. That is exactly what we have with Jason Hart, or thought we were getting. We in fact do need a scorer off the bench ala Antonio Daniels. Someone who puts the dagger in the other team when we are already up and Bibby comes out for a breather. Thats what we had with Bobby Jackson.
Anyway, I also want to say that as much as I like Chandler and would definitely rank him higher skill player than Kenny Thomas, I think what I like more is someone who stays healthy. Chandler is not that guy in my opinion. If we traded Kenny/Bonzi (who will not even be ours anyway) for Duhon and Chandler we are taking a big risk and depending on him to stay healthy much like Chris Webber.
Anyway, I also want to say that as much as I like Chandler and would definitely rank him higher skill player than Kenny Thomas, I think what I like more is someone who stays healthy. Chandler is not that guy in my opinion. If we traded Kenny/Bonzi (who will not even be ours anyway) for Duhon and Chandler we are taking a big risk and depending on him to stay healthy much like Chris Webber.
i think a backup PG who brings the ball up and makes smart passes is plenty adequate. jason hart doesn't handle the ball particularly well, he doesn't pass the ball particularly well, and he's doesn't make very good on-court decisions...so its hard to say that we have anything at all with jason hart. it'd be nice to get another spark plug like b-jax, but they're tough to come by, especially considering where we sit salary cap-wise.
Ideally you'd want someone like Jackson who can defend and provide offense. Once he gets into a game as long as he plays defense, give him freedom on the offensive end. Unfortunately that kind of player will be hard to come by.
For this new Kings team, Duhon could work if you only want someone to defend and bring the ball up. Their assists numbers will drop since our offense doesn't rely on a primary facilitator. You'd have to look for your spark/scorer off the bench, elsewhere. Duhon is more along the lines of a Jason Hart.
There has to be a reason why Hart plays the way he does- very run n' gun. You would think once he started losing minutes, he'd ask what he needs to do to get back into the rotation. If being a passing PG off the bench was what the team wanted I think you'd see more of that from him. But he has continued to play the same way- pushing the ball, and looking for his shot. Somebody somewhere has to be telling him they want him playing that way.
For this new Kings team, Duhon could work if you only want someone to defend and bring the ball up. Their assists numbers will drop since our offense doesn't rely on a primary facilitator. You'd have to look for your spark/scorer off the bench, elsewhere. Duhon is more along the lines of a Jason Hart.
There has to be a reason why Hart plays the way he does- very run n' gun. You would think once he started losing minutes, he'd ask what he needs to do to get back into the rotation. If being a passing PG off the bench was what the team wanted I think you'd see more of that from him. But he has continued to play the same way- pushing the ball, and looking for his shot. Somebody somewhere has to be telling him they want him playing that way.
honestly i really think all we want out of our back up pg is a tough defender to slow the offense of the other team by defending thier pg, and low low low TO's... bibby turns it over alot, and we need a 0 TO guy who can give bibby a breather. I agree we have many facilitators... and so that wont be his biggest need. Sure we need a guy who can score if needed... but duhon is definatly that. So i would loooove him
I've seen what life looks like with a backup point guard who shoots 34% from the field, and it ain't pretty. It's called Jason Hart.
If you want someone who is just going to play defense off the bench, I don't see how Duhon is much of an upgrade over Hart. Plus, Duhon isn't a good passer and decision maker. He's just another defensive specialist who can't shoot. I'll take some offense off the bench, thank you.
If you want someone who is just going to play defense off the bench, I don't see how Duhon is much of an upgrade over Hart. Plus, Duhon isn't a good passer and decision maker. He's just another defensive specialist who can't shoot. I'll take some offense off the bench, thank you.
Actually, Duhon can score just fine and consistently. I've been watching the Bulls regularly since Jan. 2005. He's a very good slasher, smart, good passer, plays with energy, more athletic than he looks (leaping and moves to the basket), and has a pretty good jumper he makes with regularity (usually the three). Of course is a good defender, and has proven he can be a starter in the league. He is definitely not just a defensive player, a true steal in the 2nd round.
I think Bulls fans and writers would say similar.
I think Bulls fans and writers would say similar.
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i suppose you do have a point. bench play should be about sparking the offense like bobby did. We see a similar to hart style with duhon. Hart goes in and tries to execute execute... but i guess our team doesnt use a sigular executioner lol. but i still like the steady game of duhon... but i agree banks would be good to. But does he have the college prep that duhon does...
Duhon's quick too, or else he'd be getting burned, not used as much, and liked by Skiles - which he is. But Banks has more of it because of his great athleticism and strength. Duhon has the 3P over him, as Banks still needs to develop that, which he should in the summer to bring his game up to another level.
Banks went to UNLV, was a lottery pick in 2003. Had a decent couple years in Boston, then in the summer of 05 he got injured and came back in December. Played fine since, but Boston had a bunch of young PGs there already developing, needing and getting minutes, while he was out. Thus was seen as expendable and traded to the Wolves in mid-January. Then, as known, immediately came in and played good and consistent, took Jaric's minutes and eventually his starting spot.
Like I said, would love to get Banks, just would be very surprised if Minnesota doesn't re-sign him asap due to his situation with them.
Banks went to UNLV, was a lottery pick in 2003. Had a decent couple years in Boston, then in the summer of 05 he got injured and came back in December. Played fine since, but Boston had a bunch of young PGs there already developing, needing and getting minutes, while he was out. Thus was seen as expendable and traded to the Wolves in mid-January. Then, as known, immediately came in and played good and consistent, took Jaric's minutes and eventually his starting spot.
Like I said, would love to get Banks, just would be very surprised if Minnesota doesn't re-sign him asap due to his situation with them.
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