Draft Trades, up, down, or add another first round?

[sactownfan]

with the latest version of ESPN and Draft express both having us taking Anthony Randolph... i wondered what we would do with our 2 second round picks... I realize that GP might not be the most active GM on draft day and he usually stands pat with the picks hes got...

However i feel like back to back 2nd round picks is a bit much for us... and we would obviously be better off converting those into another first round pick... who knows throw in Salmons with the picks and thats an alright deal... it sounds like that there are several teams in the top ten that have been shoppin their picks... so question is could we move up? would we move up... or how bout jumping back into the first round?... what are your thoughts...

although this is a reach...but i'd be pretty stoked if we could walk away with 2 of these players....Westbrook, DJ A. , Anthony Randolph, Joe Alexander.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Perhaps we could nab a mid to late first rounder by packaging our two 2nd rounders with a guy like Salmons. It's extremely unlikely to get a high pick with a package like that, though. If we could get Randolph at 12, and Thompson with another 1st, well, that would probably be my ideal draft.

Next year, play all our young guys, completely blow it up and suck enough to get a top 3 pick. Then, take Ricky Rubio. All Star PG for years. Core of Rubio/Martin/Randolph/Thomson/Hawes with someone like Garcia off the bench. [/pipedream]

 

[Gary]

We haven't worked out Randolph have we? Petrie only drafts players he's worked out. Except for Wallace right? I read it here somewhere that he said it was a mistake when he drafted Wallace w/o working him out.

So we can go into draft day with a list of who we have seen then go from there.

 

[Dime Dropper]

We haven't worked out Randolph have we? Petrie only drafts players he's worked out. Except for Wallace right? I read it here somewhere that he said it was a mistake when he drafted Wallace w/o working him out.

So we can go into draft day with a list of who we have seen then go from there.

Correct. What date is the draft? Hopefully he'll work out a few more of the top prospects, Randolph needs to be worked out just incase he does fall.

 

[BMiller52]

Correct. What date is the draft? Hopefully he'll work out a few more of the top prospects, Randolph needs to be worked out just incase he does fall.

The 26th. The Kings are having a draft party at Arco actually, I'm thinking of going.

 

[KingsCitizen]

Petrie should trade #43 + Salmons to maybe Orlando (#22) /Cleveland(#19) /Phoenix(#15) for a scrappy PF/C/SF (Hibbert*, Lopez, Jawai, Speights, or Batum). These teams need wing players and should willingly get Salmons for Championship run next season than another project. With the availability of a lot of potential good role player big men on this draft, Petrie should still be able to scoop 1 even on the late first round.

At #12: Augustin/Randolph/Alexander
At late first: Speights/Jawai/Batum
At #42: Dorsey/Hardin/White

As long as we pick with either combo, PG-SF-PF/C or SF-PF-PF/C

If we can't get a PG at #12. Then we'll just sign Beno to multi-year, since PG is a scarcity on the late first, and get SF-PF-C in the drafts. This will give as a good young core along with Hawes, Martin, Williams, and Garcia that can play and grow for years.

 

[jimbodan]

Petrie should trade #43 + Salmons to maybe Orlando (#22) /Cleveland(#19) /Phoenix(#15) for a scrappy PF/C/SF (Hibbert*, Lopez, Jawai, Speights, or Batum). These teams need wing players and should willingly get Salmons for Championship run next season than another project. With the availability of a lot of potential good role player big men on this draft, Petrie should still be able to scoop 1 even on the late first round.

At #12: Augustin/Randolph/Alexander
At late first: Speights/Jawai/Batum
At #42: Dorsey/Hardin/White

As long as we pick with either combo, PG-SF-PF/C or SF-PF-PF/C

If we can't get a PG at #12. Then we'll just sign Beno to multi-year, since PG is a scarcity on the late first, and get SF-PF-C in the drafts. This will give as a good young core along with Hawes, Martin, Williams, and Garcia that can play and grow for years.

I am hoping for the same thing (draft wise at least), I'm not sure Salmons + the pick is worth it for the other teams or if Petrie is even considering it, We would most likely have to take a bad contract back in the deal. But if somehow we could keep #12, get rid of Salmons and only lose one second round pick for something in the 17-22 range I would be thrilled, providing the player and contract we acquired in the trade wasn't terrible (IE: KT quality). According to Draft Express' latest mock Arthur, Hibbert, Batum, and Speights have a good chance of all being available in that range as well. Grabing one of those guys with a late first round pick would be an absolute steal.

 

[bajaden]

I am hoping for the same thing (draft wise at least), I'm not sure Salmons + the pick is worth it for the other teams or if Petrie is even considering it, We would most likely have to take a bad contract back in the deal. But if somehow we could keep #12, get rid of Salmons and only lose one second round pick for something in the 17-22 range I would be thrilled, providing the player and contract we acquired in the trade wasn't terrible (IE: KT quality). According to Draft Express' latest mock Arthur, Hibbert, Batum, and Speights have a good chance of all being available in that range as well. Grabing one of those guys with a late first round pick would be an absolute steal.

OK, here's the deal. Number one, Salmons maked slightly over 5 mil next year, so you just can't trade him straight across for a draft pick. We have to take something back in return. Maybe someone we don't want. Number two, the Kings are still in limbo in regards to Artest. He says he won't opt out, but your dealing with a loose cannon here, so you don't know for sure what he going to do. You also don't know what Petire may have worked out in the way of a deal in the event he doesn't opt out. So, dealing Salmons may not be an option considering he's the starting SF if Artest is not here.

As an aside, I'm not sure why everyone is intent on dealing Salmons. I would much rather deal Douby, or perhaps a future first if the here and now presents itself as a can't miss situation.

 

[Bricklayer]

OK, here's the deal. Number one, Salmons maked slightly over 5 mil next year, so you just can't trade him straight across for a draft pick. We have to take something back in return. Maybe someone we don't want. Number two, the Kings are still in limbo in regards to Artest. He says he won't opt out, but your dealing with a loose cannon here, so you don't know for sure what he going to do. You also don't know what Petire may have worked out in the way of a deal in the event he doesn't opt out. So, dealing Salmons may not be an option considering he's the starting SF if Artest is not here.

As an aside, I'm not sure why everyone is intent on dealing Salmons. I would much rather deal Douby, or perhaps a future first if the here and now presents itself as a can't miss situation.

Not a future first -- that makes no sense for a rebuilding team.

And Douby has no value.

Salmons is not really young (29), no good off the bench, and plays the same position as 2 of our 3 young players (Kevin/Cisco). Not to mention Ron. And he's got a stupidly long contract that will eat our cap long past our hoped for cap freedom dates.

John ONLY makes sense if Ron is traded (or Kevin I suppose, although odds of that are infinitesimal), so that he can start and grace us by actually playing hard. In any other situation, he's not only expendable, he's in the way.

 

[bajaden]

Not a future first -- that makes no sense for a rebuilding team.

And Douby has no value.

Salmons is not really young (29), no good off the bench, and plays the same position as 2 of our 3 young players (Kevin/Cisco). Not to mention Ron. And he's got a stupidly long contract that will eat our cap long past our hoped for cap freedom dates.

John ONLY makes sense if Ron is traded (or Kevin I suppose, although odds of that are infinitesimal), so that he can start and grace us by actually playing hard. In any other situation, he's not only expendable, he's in the way.

First of all, I'm not against trading Salmons. I was simply taking the devils advocate position. I still don't know who were getting in return for Salmons in the deal that was proposed, since we can't trade him straight across for a draft pick.

Secondly, I said to include a future first, only if we would be able to pick up someone we beleive is a can't miss prospect. A subjective position at best..

Thirdly, if thats a word, doesn't look right, but anyway, I think the odds of Artest being gone at some pt in the preseason or during the season are pretty good. That being said, Salmons has more value. I know you have never been a big Salmons fan, and to be honest, neither was I. But, he's played better than I thought he would, abet, as a starter. As far as his salary goes, it runs one year past the 2009/2010 season and really shouldn't matter too much as to what the Kings will be able to do after that season, as they will be around 30 mil under the cap.

I'm by no means trying to diminish his 6 mil salary, but I just don't think it will be much of a hinderence. Not to mention, he will be very tradable, barring injuries, being in the last year of his contract.

 

[CruzDude]

I'm worried about Randolph based on Eric Doerr comments in his 2008 Win Scores NBA Draft Preview of 18-June, and my own research as well:

Anthony Randolph: Although a higher lottery pick initially, the comments from Eric were not flattering:
"Statistically, Randolph clearly doesn’t warrant a lottery pick, and may not even be worth a guaranteed contract." or
"While Randolph’s shot blocking is promising, other indicators bode poorly, such as his high turnover rate. Additionally, Randolph’s performances were significantly worse when playing top competition."

and if that was not enough, "Overall, the statistics paint a bleak picture for Anthony Randolph and the team that drafts him"

That comment about his play vs. top competition is the real worrier for me.

Hibbert is coming up in the Mock Drafts as is Speights (once again) and they both played against much better competition. Then there is my new Dark Horse under-the-radar guy, Jason Thompson. Who??

Well well, where would we be without a dark horse flying under the radar two weeks before the draft? and from a small school at that, Rider University, in New Jersey mid-way between Philly and New York. DX ranks him 3rd at C among all Seniors (yes, a 4-year guy!) and 12th overall among the Bigs. 6-11 and 250, in 34 min/gm he averaged 12 rebs, 20 pts, 2.7 asts AND 2.7 blocks but only 58% FT. Got injured in a workout mid-May and has not done much shooting workout after Orlando. Runs the floor well.

 

[jimbodan]

OK, here's the deal. Number one, Salmons maked slightly over 5 mil next year, so you just can't trade him straight across for a draft pick. We have to take something back in return. Maybe someone we don't want. Number two, the Kings are still in limbo in regards to Artest. He says he won't opt out, but your dealing with a loose cannon here, so you don't know for sure what he going to do. You also don't know what Petire may have worked out in the way of a deal in the event he doesn't opt out. So, dealing Salmons may not be an option considering he's the starting SF if Artest is not here.

As an aside, I'm not sure why everyone is intent on dealing Salmons. I would much rather deal Douby, or perhaps a future first if the here and now presents itself as a can't miss situation.

I'm well aware of the fact we can't trade him straight across, which is why I specifically mentioned we would have take to a contract back in the process (most likely a bad one at that).

#2 We are rebuilding. If we deal Salmons and Artest opts out we have 2 very good options. We would have 3-4 draft picks (2 in the first round assuming Salmons is dealt for a first) in order to fill our need at SF. We also have Francisco Garcia who we could start as well. There will also be undrafted guys available. On a rebuilding team we would have the luxury to take a chance on a few different guys battling it out for the position, if they all stink then so what? We aren't going anywhere next year anyway and we may be able to find a diamond in the rough that way.

People want to deal Salmons because we are assuming Artest will be back and if that's the case Salmons has already shown he doesn't do very well in a back up role. On top of that he would be taking minutes from Garcia as well as any potential SF we draft and want to develop. As for Douby, as Brick said he has pretty much 0 value to other teams right now. That may or may not change but right now it is the case.

 

[jimbodan]

I'm worried about Randolph based on Eric Doerr comments in his 2008 Win Scores NBA Draft Preview of 18-June, and my own research as well:

Anthony Randolph: Although a higher lottery pick initially, the comments from Eric were not flattering:
"Statistically, Randolph clearly doesn’t warrant a lottery pick, and may not even be worth a guaranteed contract." or
"While Randolph’s shot blocking is promising, other indicators bode poorly, such as his high turnover rate. Additionally, Randolph’s performances were significantly worse when playing top competition."

and if that was not enough, "Overall, the statistics paint a bleak picture for Anthony Randolph and the team that drafts him"

That comment about his play vs. top competition is the real worrier for me.

Hibbert is coming up in the Mock Drafts as is Speights (once again) and they both played against much better competition. Then there is my new Dark Horse under-the-radar guy, Jason Thompson. Who??

Well well, where would we be without a dark horse flying under the radar two weeks before the draft? and from a small school at that, Rider University, in New Jersey mid-way between Philly and New York. DX ranks him 3rd at C among all Seniors (yes, a 4-year guy!) and 12th overall among the Bigs. 6-11 and 250, in 34 min/gm he averaged 12 rebs, 20 pts, 2.7 asts AND 2.7 blocks but only 58% FT. Got injured in a workout mid-May and has not done much shooting workout after Orlando. Runs the floor well.

I read that article as well and I'm a little sour on Randolph now, but the same article was very high on Speights. I've liked him from the beginning and I wonder why people aren't high on him? I wouldn't mind if we traded down and possibly unloaded a bad contract like KT in the process for an ender or at least someone more productive and took Speights later on the in first.

 

[Jerichoholic]

I read that article as well and I'm a little sour on Randolph now, but the same article was very high on Speights. I've liked him from the beginning and I wonder why people aren't high on him? I wouldn't mind if we traded down and possibly unloaded a bad contract like KT in the process for an ender or at least someone more productive and took Speights later on the in first.

I like Speights as well, I think he'll be a steal. Really this entire draft is pretty weak overall which is why I wouldn't mind drafting for pure potential. You only have a couple guys who will make instant impacts and a ton of question marks after that. It is this reason I wouldn't mind Randolph but we could probably do better, if Jordan is available I would definitely lean that way.

 

[NyfdRIP343]

I was thinking last night about how we are interested in Hibbert and how he is a stretch to pick him up at #12. What about this trade to move down...John Salmons #12 pick/filler for TJ Ford #17 pick/filler. That way we could probably still get Roy, and also get a nice point guard..Ford and Martin in the one two would be just nasty. I also think Raptors would do it since they are supposedly very HIGH on players in our range.....

NOW 2-3 years
TJ Ford TJ Ford (Prime)
Kevin Martin Kevin Martin (Prime)
Ron Artest Some small foward...
Mikki Moore Spencer Hawes
Bread Miller Roy Hibbert

Big men arent really Athletic, but they can get the job done...Spencer would provide post up, and both big man can pass....and i do believe hibbert would be a good rebounder in time.

 

[bajaden]

I like Speights as well, I think he'll be a steal. Really this entire draft is pretty weak overall which is why I wouldn't mind drafting for pure potential. You only have a couple guys who will make instant impacts and a ton of question marks after that. It is this reason I wouldn't mind Randolph but we could probably do better, if Jordan is available I would definitely lean that way.

After listening to inteviews with at least 8 different scouts at the pre-draft camp, they don't share your opinion on this being a weak draft. Quite the contray, they all believe this is a very deep draft. Which is why players like Ryan Anderson and Hendrix and White etc. might slip into the second round.

When you start analizing these players, you going to find some warts. Doesn't mean that they won't become decent to good players. By the way, Speights is my first choice for a big, and Thompson is my second choice, followed closely by Ajinca. I'm not a big fan of Jordan's, but he does have upside and I could live with the choice. I think the only choice I really don't like is Arthur. SO,,, Thats probably who we'll choose.....

 

[mac]

I was thinking last night about how we are interested in Hibbert and how he is a stretch to pick him up at #12. What about this trade to move down...John Salmons #12 pick/filler for TJ Ford #17 pick/filler. That way we could probably still get Roy, and also get a nice point guard..Ford and Martin in the one two would be just nasty. I also think Raptors would do it since they are supposedly very HIGH on players in our range.....

NOW 2-3 years
TJ Ford TJ Ford (Prime)
Kevin Martin Kevin Martin (Prime)
Ron Artest Some small foward...
Mikki Moore Spencer Hawes
Bread Miller Roy Hibbert

Big men arent really Athletic, but they can get the job done...Spencer would provide post up, and both big man can pass....and i do believe hibbert would be a good rebounder in time.

I wouldn't do it because I'm not too high on Ford. He's been very injury prone and I think we can still get a pretty good pick with 12 so I'm not for trading the pick without moving up either

 

[Smills91]

I was thinking last night about how we are interested in Hibbert and how he is a stretch to pick him up at #12. What about this trade to move down...John Salmons #12 pick/filler for TJ Ford #17 pick/filler. That way we could probably still get Roy, and also get a nice point guard..Ford and Martin in the one two would be just nasty. I also think Raptors would do it since they are supposedly very HIGH on players in our range.....

NOW 2-3 years
TJ Ford TJ Ford (Prime)
Kevin Martin Kevin Martin (Prime)
Ron Artest Some small foward...
Mikki Moore Spencer Hawes
Bread Miller Roy Hibbert

Big men arent really Athletic, but they can get the job done...Spencer would provide post up, and both big man can pass....and i do believe hibbert would be a good rebounder in time.

So we give up the better player AND the better pick? Unless that filler is Bosh, NO THANK YOU.