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Bricklayer

Bricklayer

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I think if you asked the question in your poll a little more purely it would really have set up a crucible:

Scenario 1: you have clinched a high seed in the playoffs and rest all you main guys the last game of the season to better prepare for the playoffs
Scenario 2: you are out of the playofs and rest all of your main guys the last of the season (as opposed to intentionally losing) to beter prepare for the lottery

What is the difference between those two? With all the shrieking about tanking and the integrity of the game, almsot every single playoff team around the league "tanked" the last couple of games of the season resting all their main players. How would it have been more dishonorable for the lottery teams, who also had something on the line, to do the same thing?
 
Big Cuz 15

Big Cuz 15

All-Star
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#332
Bricklayer said:
I think if you asked the question in your poll a little more purely it would really have set up a crucible:

Scenario 1: you have clinched a high seed in the playoffs and rest all you main guys the last game of the season to better prepare for the playoffs
Scenario 2: you are out of the playofs and rest all of your main guys the last of the season (as opposed to intentionally losing) to beter prepare for the lottery

What is the difference between those two? With all the shrieking about tanking and the integrity of the game, almsot every single playoff team around the league "tanked" the last couple of games of the season resting all their main players. How would it have been more dishonorable for the lottery teams, who also had something on the line, to do the same thing?
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we beet el a last night. *artest chest pound*
 
Big Cuz 15

Big Cuz 15

All-Star
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#333
Torontoo 23 43 0.348 27.0 15-33 7-8 13-20 10-23 3-7 W 1
Golden Stateo 23 43 0.348 27.0 16-32 7-8 12-21 11-22 1-9 L 2
Sacramentoo 22 44 0.333 28.0 16-32 3-10 16-17 6-27 3-7 W 1
New Jerseyo 22 44 0.333 28.0 16-32 5-9 9-24 13-20 3-7 L 6
Clevelando 21 45 0.318 29.0 13-35 3-12 11-22 10-23 2-8 L 4
New Orleanso 21 45 0.318 29.0 14-34 3-11 11-22 10-23 6-4 L 1
Washingtono 20 46 0.303 30.0 16-32 7-7 11-22 9-24 8-2 W 6
Charlotteo 7 59 0.106 43.0 5-43 1-14 4-29 3-30 0-10 L 23

one last time. we are position 6. hopefully we don't get bumped to 8th spot.
 
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Boogie-havoc

Bench
#334
#334
Well we're in the EXACT same place we were last year - Tied for 5th worst with the New Jersey Nets.

Last year we won the coinflip and were set to 5th worst pre-lottery - and in it we slide down all the way to 7th(realistically the worst possible scenario from the 5th worst position unless a big mathematical improbability happens - which could bump you to 8th).

New Jersey who lost the coinflip got set on the 6th worst spot pre-lottery, but got lucky and was bumped all the way to the 3rd pick.

With our luck this time we'll loose the coinflip, and then New Jersey will get bumped into the top 3 and we'll slide this time to 8th instead of 7th.
 
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spudfan

Starter
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Bricklayer said:
I think if you asked the question in your poll a little more purely it would really have set up a crucible:

Scenario 1: you have clinched a high seed in the playoffs and rest all you main guys the last game of the season to better prepare for the playoffs
Scenario 2: you are out of the playofs and rest all of your main guys the last of the season (as opposed to intentionally losing) to beter prepare for the lottery

What is the difference between those two? With all the shrieking about tanking and the integrity of the game, almsot every single playoff team around the league "tanked" the last couple of games of the season resting all their main players. How would it have been more dishonorable for the lottery teams, who also had something on the line, to do the same thing?
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Yea, I agree. I had planned on making it a four question poll in regards to both scenarios you listed but then decided it would come out during the course of discussion. The poll then became more of something for people to click on their way in, polls are great for getting attention even if poorly implemented :cool:

edit: If you feel like editing it with your two scenarios to make it more genuine, please do!
 
Kingster

Kingster

Hall of Famer
#336
#336
The Lakers stuck it to the Kings last night. Even when they lose they stick it to us. Just a ridiculous win by the Kings. A fitting end to the season. They can't even lose right. If the Lakers would have played their real team, fine. Then we can deal with the lower draft position. But that team the Lakers put out there was absurd.
 
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Section 101

Section 101

All-Star
#337
#337
Boogie-havoc said:
Well we're in the EXACT same place we were last year - Tied for 5th worst with the New Jersey Nets.

Last year we won the coinflip and were set to 5th worst pre-lottery - and in it we slide down all the way to 7th(realistically the worst possible scenario from the 5th worst position unless a big mathematical improbability happens - which could bump you to 8th).

New Jersey who lost the coinflip got set on the 6th worst spot pre-lottery, but got lucky and was bumped all the way to the 3rd pick.

With our luck this time we'll loose the coinflip, and then New Jersey will get bumped into the top 3 and we'll slide this time to 8th instead of 7th.
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They should remove the coin flip and go by either record the last 10 games or the better win streak. Give the team that's not trying to tank the tie breaker.
 
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Jose

Bench
#338
#338
Bricklayer said:
I think if you asked the question in your poll a little more purely it would really have set up a crucible:

Scenario 1: you have clinched a high seed in the playoffs and rest all you main guys the last game of the season to better prepare for the playoffs
Scenario 2: you are out of the playofs and rest all of your main guys the last of the season (as opposed to intentionally losing) to beter prepare for the lottery

What is the difference between those two? With all the shrieking about tanking and the integrity of the game, almsot every single playoff team around the league "tanked" the last couple of games of the season resting all their main players. How would it have been more dishonorable for the lottery teams, who also had something on the line, to do the same thing?
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Or, Scenario 2: you are out of the playofs and choose to not play your main guys the last game of the season (as opposed to intentionally losing) to afford some non-garbage minutes to your end-of-bench players to aid in their development / increase trade value / morale - AND not risk injury to your core players in a meaningless game

Yay, we beat LA... but it could turn out to be the costliest win in this franchise's history.
 
Warhawk

Warhawk

Give blood and save a life!
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#339
#339
beb0p said:
When I look at the box score, I can see that Gary Forbes, Solomon Alabi, Jerome Dyson and Chris Wright got 40+ minutes each. Teams that were playing meaningless games were resting their key players and guys like Forbes, Alabi, Wright, Dyson, D.J. Kennedy, Darryl Watkins and a bunch of guys most fans have never heard of got major floor time.

It's not rocket science, when the game is meaningless and obligatory, rest your key guys and send out the untested younguns. It's about being smart and fair. Many of these guys worked hard all season long and didn't play much, now is their chance to shine. Give them the opportunity to play, I mean, that's all they really wanted; playing time. Plus, it's wise to protect your mega million dollar investment - by resting your key guys and preventing even the slight chance that they pick up injuries.

You don't get too many games like this one. Where you can say to your players, "Don't worry about mistakes, just play." This is a golden opportunity to see how Jimmer fares in 40+ minutes, to see Honeycutt plays a full game, to experiment and see how it works out.

If the Kings had played the kids and they beat the Lakers, I'd be all for it. But nope. Apparently it's very important that we win this game by playing our stars.

You don't play your star players when the game is meaningless. Haven't we learned that lesson after Chris Webber went down in a blown out game?
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I agree.

Some others don't get my point.

I can't control who is in the game.

Whoever the coach puts on the floor I want to do well and play to win the game. If the coach sat DMC and Evans, JT, and IT (Thornton was already out) I would have been perfectly fine with that if the coach and the owners / GP wanted to go that way. But don't tell me to root for the f***ing Lakers to beat the Kings. That s*** ain't happening. If Jimmer, Chuck, Garcia, Outlaw, and Williams were playing all 48, I would have cheered them on to kick LA's ***. That is how I roll. We've had way too many losses this year but one more with that lineup would have been just another one in an already crappy season (record-wise).
 
bajaden

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#341
#341
kingsnation said:
The Hornets box from last night was crazy, but the Warriors one was worse? haha

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320426009

7 man rotation, including a starting lineup of 5 rookies! LOL.
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Whats done is done, so its time to move on and quit bitching about what might have been. Perhaps the basketball gods will smile upon us for being honest, and screw those that cheated by letting us get lucky in the lottery. Regardless, we'll get a good player. It just won't be A. Davis. Unless Petrie does something he's never done, and thats trade to move up. First order of business is to get lucky with the coin flip today and lock down the 5th spot.
 
kingsnation

kingsnation

All-Star
#343
#343
bajaden said:
Whats done is done, so its time to move on and quit bitching about what might have been. Perhaps the basketball gods will smile upon us for being honest, and screw those that cheated by letting us get lucky in the lottery. Regardless, we'll get a good player. It just won't be A. Davis. Unless Petrie does something he's never done, and thats trade to move up. First order of business is to get lucky with the coin flip today and lock down the 5th spot.
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Um, I wasn't complaining. I was simply pointing out the absurdity that was the box from the GS game. :rolleyes:
 
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Boogie-havoc

Bench
#349
#349
No idea who this guy is, but he says we won

darren rovell ‏ @darrenrovell Odds for 2012 NBA Draft to get top pick: Bobcats 25%, Wizards 19.9%, Cavs 13.8%, Hornets 13.7%, Kings 7.6%, Nets 7.5%.


So exactly the same scenario as last year.

Tied for 5th with New Jersey, and winning the coin flip. Hopefully it won't be the same freakin ending lol.
 
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rekehavoc73186

G-League
#351
#351
Boogie-havoc said:
No idea who this guy is, but he says we won

darren rovell ‏ @darrenrovell Odds for 2012 NBA Draft to get top pick: Bobcats 25%, Wizards 19.9%, Cavs 13.8%, Hornets 13.7%, Kings 7.6%, Nets 7.5%.


So exactly the same scenario as last year.

Tied for 5th with New Jersey, and winning the coin flip. Hopefully it won't be the same freakin ending lol.
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we have a .1% chance better than nets lol? is that a joke. coin flip isnt that big of a deal then
 
SacKings7

SacKings7

Starter
#355
#355
UK_King said:
I will bang my head on a desk if the Cavs manage to win another lottery.
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Good thing you are not an NHL fan then. The Edmonton Oilers have won the lottery 3 years in a row lol. Although that's slightly different.

I hope this is the last season we use the terms "woss" and "lin" :D
 
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Boogie-havoc

Bench
#357
#357
All tie breakers included, pre lottery order :

1. Bobcats - (25%)
2. Wizards - (19.9%)
3. Cleveland - (13.8%)
4. Hornets - (13.7%)
5. Sacramento - (7.6%)
6. Portland(via Nets top 3 protected) - (7.5%)
7. Golden State(Utah's pick, top 7 protected) - (3.6%)
8. Raptors - (3.5%)
9. Detroit - (1.7%)
10. Hornets(via Minnesota) - (1.1%)
11. Portland - (0.8%)
12. Bucks - (0.7%)
13. Suns - (0.6%)
14. Houston - (0.5%)

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15. Sixers
16. Houston(via Knicks)
17. Dallas
18. Minnesota(via Utah)
19. Orlando
20. Denver
21. Boston
22. Boston(via Clippers)
23. Atlanta
24. Cleveland(via Lakers)
25. Memphis
26. Indiana
27. Miami
28. Oklahoma City
29. Chicago
30. Golden State(via Spurs)
 
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