Draft Lottery (Kings get #8 pick)

[funkykingston]

https://twitter.com/showardcooper/status/46891303633892556

@SHowardCooper: Just filed to http://t.co/X75SPTIUSC: Kings put No. 8 on the trade block, wanting veteran instead of next rookie to develop. Link to come.

I'm not sure how I feel about that. The #8 pick is not usually enough to dangle to get a difference maker. Now if the Kings had the 3rd pick and Embiid was off the board I'd say go after Rondo but I can't see Boston dealing him for the 8th pick.

The 8th pick won't net a big time player and the Kings don't have the other pieces to throw in to make it a bigger deal. So you're looking at adding a role player.

Which means D'Alessandro apparently thinks that either this team has enough of a core to win now or thinks he can trade for the right pieces to build a winning core.

If it's the former I think he's delusional.

If it's the latter he'd better have a hell of an offseason.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

1: I HATE the Cavs. the NBA allowing a team to have the #1 pick 3 times in 4 years is disgusting.
2: I don't want them to trade the pick. (Unless they are trading up, or the trade involves a player + a top 20 pick)

AND i don't see the #8 pick attracting a team to give us a player that makes it worth it...

 

[steelevt]

this is why you dont tank. the draft lottery has flaws. you just root for your team to win, enjoy the wins and let what happens happen.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

In the last 30 years only 1 team has won an NBA championship without a top 3 pick on their roster (bonus points if you know which team).

2008 Celtics.

 

[hrdboild]

2008 Celtics.

Yep, that's the one. Not the first team that springs to mind, but Ray Allen was in a pretty stacked draft class (4 hall-of-famers) and both Garnett and Pierce (and Rondo for that matter) vastly outperformed their draft position career-wise.

 

[KingMilz]

The sad thing with the Cavs is they will probably be in line for another top 3 pick next year, Kyrie is overrated and can't stay healthy and the rest of the team is pretty average.

I could see us throwing the 8th pick, Landry and Derrick Williams to try land a guy who costs 10-12million and is a good player

 

[Dime Dropper]

Link to SHC article on Kings trading pick: http://www.nba.com/2014/news/featur...ick-on-trade-block/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpts

Here's an excerpt:

The Kings put the No. 8 pick in the draft on the trade block immediately after the lottery Tuesday night, league sources told NBA.com, clearly looking to add at least one impact veteran in an attempt to push into the playoff conversation next season rather than wait for another rookie prospect to develop.

While several teams choosing in the top 10 on June 26 will be fielding trade offers as part of a deep draft with several intriguing prospects, the Kings have signaled they will take a proactive approach in hoping to make a deal...

 

[CVKingsfan]

Like everyone else here, I was wishing for a top 3 pick and extremely disappointed to end up with number 8! And by far, the majority of the comments on this thread reflect much disappointment. However, we have all seen number one picks fail and many lower picks become all stars. Additionally, after several years of incompetent owners, coaches and players, as well as nearly losing the team, we are finally enjoying some stability and moving toward establishing a culture of winning and excellence, in my humble opinion. I wholeheartedly believe in the new ownership and PDA, and firmly believe they will use this pick to the best of our advantage. They can make a pick, trade the pick or use whatever option they deem necessary with my full support.

However, we all know how short patience is for Sacto Kings fans. We have endured more than acceptable in our hopes for a winning team. I will keep Vivek et al. in my thoughts and prayers as, per a favorite comment by our articulate Mayor, “this is a defining moment for the Kings.” Let’s wish PDA and staff all the best as they contemplate their actions with the number 8 pick!

Edit:
Forgot to mention if the pick was based on the beauty of representative, we would certainly have been awarded the first pick!!!

 

[HighFlyingMonkey]

Link to SHC article on Kings trading pick: http://www.nba.com/2014/news/featur...ick-on-trade-block/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpts

Here's an excerpt:

The article mentioned Dennis Schroeder which makes no sense to me. If you want to trade it for a veteran, why go for a prospect like Schroeder?

 

[Big Cuz 15]

What can a # 8 get us?

andre drummond was picked #9

steven adams was picked #12

 

[JLoss22]

Soooooo who are some dudes we could trade for? Any ideas?

 

[Dime Dropper]

The article mentioned Dennis Schroeder which makes no sense to me. If you want to trade it for a veteran, why go for a prospect like Schroeder?

I'd imagine Schroeder would just be part of the deal, wouldn't make sense to trade the pick solely for him. But it's interesting that he's mentioned, as it seems clear to me that the FO immediately let SHC know that the pick was on the block. So he obviously has some inside information from someone high up, probably PDA himself. I'd say it's likely that the Kings have at least some interest in Schroeder. I like him, but obviously not for the 8th pick. Need something else too. Maybe a deal involving Korver/Schroeder? Would kill two birds with one stone in terms of outside shooting and playmaking. Worth a thought.

 

[Henkel]

What are the odds of the Cavs landing the #1 pick three out of four years? At least they're guaranteed a quality player after they ineptly pass on Embiid. I'd put my money on Parker, they seem to have a thing for out of shape tweeners. It's also a good thing for the league that the top 4 picks are headed east.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

I'd imagine Schroeder would just be part of the deal, wouldn't make sense to trade the pick solely for him. But it's interesting that he's mentioned, as it seems clear to me that the FO immediately let SHC know that the pick was on the block. So he obviously has some inside information from someone high up, probably PDA himself. I'd say it's likely that the Kings have at least some interest in Schroeder. I like him, but obviously not for the 8th pick. Need something else too. Maybe a deal involving Korver/Schroeder? Would kill two birds with one stone in terms of outside shooting and playmaking. Worth a thought.

how about stauskas for shooting and some playmaking

 

[JLoss22]

What are the odds of the Cavs landing the #1 pick three out of four years?

1 in 13,467.......

 

[Letsgokings13]

I believe the odds were .0074 to get it 3/4 years

 

[funkykingston]

I'm not sure why PDA would broadcast the team's intention to trade the pick so early. Teams haven't had individual workouts yet, haven't fallen in love with players yet and in general aren't likely to be starting conversations about trades right now. And for other teams to know the Kings want to deal the pick either has no effect on the picks value or slightly devalues it because team's know the Kings don't want to keep it. Strange to me.

But if I'm being honest I think right now I'm probably overly critical of anything this front office does simply because I have no faith in D'Alessandro's ability to build a roster. I realize that's not giving PDA a fair shake but he has yet to convince me that he actually knows what he's doing.

 

[Bricklayer]

https://twitter.com/showardcooper/status/46891303633892556

@SHowardCooper: Just filed to http://t.co/X75SPTIUSC: Kings put No. 8 on the trade block, wanting veteran instead of next rookie to develop. Link to come.

I do consider this good news really. I was eager for us to trade the pick during the Jimmer year (not the way we did it), and last year as well. You have to turn a corner at some point, not be a D-League team developing talent. But the question is with #8 falling just off the main talent shelf, what can you get? I still have half a thought the way to go might be to trade the pick to the Bulls, ending our continuing obligation to them in the process. If you could do that in such a way you got back a later pick then you've killed multiple birds with one stone. Ended your obligation to the Bulls, but still gotten a first round pick (later), so it does not count as you having traded this year's pick, and you are free to trade any future picks you need to in other deals.

 

[king07]

This team is cursed.

 

[Bricklayer]

this is why you dont tank. the draft lottery has flaws. you just root for your team to win, enjoy the wins and let what happens happen.

Except of course this is precisely why you tank.

Cleveland, Milwaulkee and Philly all have a chance at potential franchise players because of their awful seasons. Although to be fair maybe only the Sixers were actually intentionally diving.

In any case, WE benefitted from being awful too. People act like we didn't, but oh yes we did. Big guy. Nimble feet. because the second effect of being awful is even if you don't get Top 3, you can't be pushed too far down the draft order. We're just beyond that point now. Once you have your bounty you should start kicking hard to get back to the surface.

 

[roasthawg]

Guaranteed I'm the only Kings fan that didn't really want a top three pick... I want Gordon or Vonleh, one of them should hopefully be there at #8. Worst case imo is Smart or Randle... I can live with that. The depth in the top ten in this draft is really solid. I'm not enamored with Wiggins or Parker and while Embiid is a beast who knows about that back anyways.

 

[dude12]

I've seen 2 mocks already having Julius Randle dropping to us at 8. Of course, these are just opinions of where guys may go but there is a chance that one of the 7 may drop to 8. I think Gordon is a wildcard if he goes and does the team workouts. He may jump up n the order. I'm not sure I make a deal until draft day to see who drops. Someone always drops.

Also, as teams start having team workouts with the prospects....there usually is a player who starts jumping up the list....I think some potential guys could be Saric, Ennis, the Payton kid intrigues with his athleticism, etc

 

[LPKingsFan]

But the question is with #8 falling just off the main talent shelf, what can you get?

I don't know about that. One of Smart, Randle, Vonleh, or Gordon will be there, any of whom could have value and fit for a particular team, just not ours necessarily.

 

[rainmaker]

I'm reminded of Carmichael Dave's tweets around this time last year. I think his analysis is generally poor, but he does have contacts within the new FO and has more often than not been right when leaking information.

His tweets last year said we're not going to bring back Reke and are going into go tank mode for the Wiggins sweepstakes. We can argue to what extent we tanked, whether it is tanking, or rather it was just putting a poor product on the floor to inflate the chances we would be in the Wiggins or top pick sweepstakes, but it surely won't be an excuse for not being a playoff team next year.

This is why you don't let a talent like Reke bolt over 3M and put together a roster where you're just collecting talent which doesn't fit, in order to have a poor product out there which gets a top pick in this draft. I think Malone tried to win every game btw, just that the FO handicapped him, so any tank talk doesn't involved our coach our players themselves.

If you don't get that top pick, which we didn't, we've now got to try to stack more talent, fitting talent, without many assets to do so. I'd take a Reke/Rudy/Boogie core, which IMO would increase the chances Rudy stays, along with a pick in the 12-14 range over our current situation any day of the week.

 

[steelevt]

Except of course this is precisely why you tank.

Cleveland, Milwaulkee and Philly all have a chance at potential franchise players because of their awful seasons. Although to be fair maybe only the Sixers were actually intentionally diving.

In any case, WE benefitted from being awful too. People act like we didn't, but oh yes we did. Big guy. Nimble feet. because the second effect of being awful is even if you don't get Top 3, you can't be pushed too far down the draft order. We're just beyond that point now. Once you have your bounty you should start kicking hard to get back to the surface.

cleveland had a better record than us and got the #1 pick. plenty of times throughout the years, including the year we had the worst record, teams behind us won the lottery. there is no point losing on purpose and making fans and player endure loss after loss. being awful or developing youngs when playoffs are out of reach i can understand, but i see a diff between that and tanking.

maybe i should have stated it "this is why the kings dont tank"

 

[Bricklayer]

I've seen 2 mocks already having Julius Randle dropping to us at 8. Of course, these are just opinions of where guys may go but there is a chance that one of the 7 may drop to 8. I think Gordon is a wildcard if he goes and does the team workouts. He may jump up n the order. I'm not sure I make a deal until draft day to see who drops. Someone always drops.

Also, as teams start having team workouts with the prospects....there usually is a player who starts jumping up the list....I think some potential guys could be Saric, Ennis, the Payton kid intrigues with his athleticism, etc

Pretty sure we can't trade the pick until draft day, unless its to Chicago, because of that continuing obligation we still have from the Casspi/Hickson trade.

But in any case if we are turning toward winning now, that may not really matter except in allowing us to ask more for the pick if a major talent is still left for some reason.

 

[Dime Dropper]

how about stauskas for shooting and some playmaking

I personally wouldn't be a big fan of that pick but I know there are some here who would. I don't think Stauskas is as good as people think, though he certainly can shoot the ball, and I don't think he's a realistic option given that the FO apparently loves Ben. But no point getting into that again.

I wouldn't mind trading back and getting a vet along with Capela. Or else two first rounders - Capela with someone else (Payton/LaVine/Nurkic/Saric if they drop).

 

[roasthawg]

I'd take a Reke/Rudy/Boogie core, which IMO would increase the chances Rudy stays, along with a pick in the 12-14 range over our current situation any day of the week.

Doubtful we would've traded for Rudy if we resigned Reke... at least imo.

 

[Henkel]

I wonder what the 8th pick is worth in this draft. Luckily it's a deep draft, but both Boston and the Lakers are going to be looking to move those picks right in front of us. And what is a team really willing to part with for a shot at Gordon or McDermott? I'm just not sure if #8 and JT gets you a quality starter. The pick has to be moved though, so looking to move down for a player like LaVine or Hood while picking up a proven role player would be alright with me. I'd be interested to hear what people more familiar with this draft think the 8th pick is worth.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

I'm reminded of Carmichael Dave's tweets around this time last year. I think his analysis is generally poor, but he does have contacts within the new FO and has more often than not been right when leaking information.

His tweets last year said we're not going to bring back Reke and are going into go tank mode for the Wiggins sweepstakes. We can argue to what extent we tanked, whether it is tanking, or rather it was just putting a poor product on the floor to inflate the chances we would be in the Wiggins or top pick sweepstakes, but it surely won't be an excuse for not being a playoff team next year.

This is why you don't let a talent like Reke bolt over 3M and put together a roster where you're just collecting talent which doesn't fit, in order to have a poor product out there which gets a top pick in this draft. I think Malone tried to win every game btw, just that the FO handicapped him, so any tank talk doesn't involved our coach our players themselves.

If you don't get that top pick, which we didn't, we've now got to try to stack more talent, fitting talent, without many assets to do so. I'd take a Reke/Rudy/Boogie core, which IMO would increase the chances Rudy stays, along with a pick in the 12-14 range over our current situation any day of the week.

i have no faith in gerbil's abilities. he spent $$ in a foolish way last season. too frugal to spend on reke but dropped $$ on landry and mbah moute which became landry and d will. don't think he did a great job w/ the rudy trade bc it was done w/ a former co worker. this is year 2.. he's looking for a fast turn around to get into the playoffs and not building a solid team. like i said in previous posts.. i think he's approaching it like how they did with lebron in cleveland. stacking patchwork vets with cuz instead of building a solid team that can grow with him.