Douby's potential

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kyo2002

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I haven't got the chance to see Douby play for long stretches of games this season but I think he may be the King's best scorer and future combo guard. He probably was drafted by the Kings because he broke Peja's shooting workout. It seems the Kings want him to be a PG who spot shoot and scrap because he does have that consistant shooting technique and do play defense.

Why I say he should be the King's best scorer is that floater he shoots. I didn't get to see much of Dajuan Wagner's game, but I notice that those two guys share the same floater especially off the backboard. I don't see why Douby cannot be a leading scorer like Wagner although Wagner is much more complete an offensive player...but Douby still shoots better than him--- he will need further development though. Douby has shown that he can score off the dribble better than everyone on the team and against taller opponents. What do you all think?
 
much like Martin and Garcia in their first year. He shows potential but, much develope consistancy. Martin has and Garcia is getting more controlled in his second year. Douby has 2 more years to realize this potential.
 
Well, he's definitely more controlled than Garcia and yeah he's got to work on consistancy, but am I the only one who see flashes of the Messiah?
 
I am known for optimism but, to answer your question if you are the only one. I'd have to say yes.
 
I think Douby is going to be a very good spark-plug ala our new Bobby Jackson.

When he gets his three going consistantly it will open everything else up, and his game will start to flourish.
 
Douby's got great raw skills -- he can get his own shot pretty easily and create space on the outside, he's got a nice floater in traffic, he is a better defender than I expected, and he's got a good handle. He just needs to put it all together. He also needs to get the ball -- most games he's sort of forgotten out on the perimeter as the veterans pass the ball around to each other, much like Martin was his rookie season. But I agree with SLAB - he looks like he can be a nice spark plug and I'm still pretty excited about him.
 
Couriously enough, scouting reports said if he pans out he'll be a poor man's Arenas or if not an Eddie House. I still say a poor man's Wagner plus the defense because his dribble is higher than Arenas'. I'm still waiting all season to see if he is capable (given the opportunity) to put on an offensive display.
 
kyo2002 said:
Couriously enough, scouting reports said if he pans out he'll be a poor man's Arenas or if not an Eddie House. I still say a poor man's Wagner plus the defense because his dribble is higher than Arenas'. I'm still waiting all season to see if he is capable (given the opportunity) to put on an offensive display.
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He did against the Warrriors in December...unfortunately, that's been his only really good game so far.
 
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I wish we could get rid of the vets so we could start over and get the young guys out there all playing 30 plus minutes a game, then we could see what douby has and will have faster.
 
The only question I have is his quickness. But his ability to shoot, especially the intermediate floater, can make up for some of that. As long as he can get past people that floater can be absolutely deadly. That's the shot that every point guard should develop. So, I think he's going to good, but I don't know if he's going to be very good.
 
I think he will be better than bobby jackson was, more lethal. He just tries to rush a little bit like all rookies. I think once he calms down he will be useful.
 
Douby's going to be a better defender than Bobby, I think. He was so explosive in college, it's going to be a little bit before he can translate that into the NBA.

I loved the pick and I still do
 
=LarryLegend= said:
I think he will be better than bobby jackson was, more lethal. He just tries to rush a little bit like all rookies. I think once he calms down he will be useful.
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i don't know about that. he might be a more lethal shooter, but b-jax is a former 6th man of the year, remember? he earned that honor by being completely fearless. he would go to the basket with reckless abandon, and was a scrapper on defense as well. douby's got a long long ways to go before he proves that he will have even half of the tenacity that bobby jackson had in his prime.
 
All 1st round picks are seen with a lot of potential during their rookie years, all the more so when they rarely get playing time which makes one think, ponder heavily, imagine, what kind of player he can truly be. I remember the days when Samaki Walker, Jerome Moiso, Dajuan Wagner, Ryan Humphrey and Nikoloz Tskitishvili were all hyped with that "label." Good times. There are some who resurrect their careers in some shape or form--see "Pryzbilla, Joel" (although he's leveled off) and "Diop, DeSagana." There are some who simply explode--see "West, David" and "Bynum, Andrew" and "Howard, Josh" and "Prince, Tayshaun." But then there are some who just well--wallow in muck, disappear into obscurity or simply die out from the league (see "mentioned, afore").

From what we've seen of Douby, he's a pure practice player--shoots the hell out of the ball, has unbelievable range, touch, and stroke--very good scorer which is by far and beyond his best attribute for the NBA. But then you look at his other attributes--he possesses a tweener 6'3" wiry frame not exactly suitable with his scoring mentality, although he has quickness and length to counteract that. He hasn't shown much passing prowess, but that's yet to be determined--he was only an average at best passer in college considering his shoot-first mentality. He's had that great scoring game, but other than that a string of games where he rarely does anything due to lack of playing time. It's hard to gauge his potential as it stands--he has certain tools, but certain weaknesses which may hinder him from reaching his potential. He can score, but can he develop the rest of his game? Develop his frame? Offset whatever weaknesses he has? Simply put, the rookie season is simply not the time to determine his potential--give it a couple of years. He's a keeper--for now. Make or break happens later on.
 
Pryzbilla and Diop lost a lot of weight. West, Bynum, Howard, and Prince were all major projects on their respective teams. I think Ellis is the one that exploded not because he developed but just because he got the chance to play. Development has to be the key for Douby and all the other young players at this point, but I do not recall anyone ever being developed in Sacramento. Gerald Wallace would have been a great project. Kevin Martin had to be the project that Adelman focused defense on and he hasn't shown much. His trademark angle shots were always a part of his game. I was thinking that Price was Musselman's project but he hasn't gotten any playing time. I think all young guys for Kings are breaks because it's either they arrive keepers or not in Sacramento. Hire mentor Abdul-Jabbar for Williams?
 
Douby's potential, as always, is dependent on his ability to learn how to play the point at least passably. He's 6'3" (MAYBE) and very scrawny. That is simply too small to play major minutes at OG. Nor is he an uberathlete who can jump out of the gym, a brawny guy, or anything else that would allow him to play "bigger" than he really is ala a Bobby Jackson. In fact quite the oppposite.

And of course even if he can become a tweener PG/OG type, there still may be an issue with the team as its currently constructed. First of all back in the day we could get away with having Bobby Jackson come in off the bench as a tweener guard sparkplug behind Mike Bibby, a shooting PG, because we had such superior passing at th OG, PF and C positions. In essence we just let those guys run the point, and Bobby was free to follow his instincts (score, attack). We don't have those passers anymore, and having two non passing PGs eating all our minutes on these teams is a bit problematic. Secondly even if Quincy learns how to play the PG acceptably -- which is to say reaches the point where he is able to break pressure, get the team in its offense, and maybe be counted on to set a guy up here and there -- he's still going to be primarily a scrawny scorer first and foremost. Again with our team the way it is that's a duplication of a lot of the personnel we already have. His chance, if he gets one, may have to await roster moves, should we ever actually decide to make any.


P.S. As an aside comparing somebody's high end to Dajuan Wagner, who pretty much bombed out of the league, is not really a compliment.
 
CaminoChaos said:
I don't know if this has been mention, but does he have the potential of being a starting PG?
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No.

Or at least there is absolutley no reason to beleive so at this point. he was not a PG in college, has shown little if any PG instincts thus far in the pros (very short minutes obviously), and now we want to match him up against Steve Nash, Chris Paul, Baron Davis et al? That would have to be a process.
 
Bricklayer said:
No.

Or at least there is absolutley no reason to beleive so at this point. he was not a PG in college, has shown little if any PG instincts thus far in the pros (very short minutes obviously), and now we want to match him up against Steve Nash, Chris Paul, Baron Davis et al? That would have to be a process.
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He could possibly be a starting caliber PG just as much as Jason Terry is a starting caliber PG. I don't think that comparison is far from the realm of possibility.
 
kyo2002 said:
Couriously enough, scouting reports said if he pans out he'll be a poor man's Arenas or if not an Eddie House. I still say a poor man's Wagner plus the defense because his dribble is higher than Arenas'. I'm still waiting all season to see if he is capable (given the opportunity) to put on an offensive display.
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If Arenas was drafted (2nd Round) now, he would be considered a poor man's Arenas. Scouts are always just taking "educated" guesses.
 
kyo2002 said:
Development has to be the key for Douby and all the other young players at this point, but I do not recall anyone ever being developed in Sacramento. Gerald Wallace would have been a great project. Kevin Martin had to be the project that Adelman focused defense on and he hasn't shown much. His trademark angle shots were always a part of his game. I was thinking that Price was Musselman's project but he hasn't gotten any playing time. I think all young guys for Kings are breaks because it's either they arrive keepers or not in Sacramento. Hire mentor Abdul-Jabbar for Williams?
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I think that Adelman probably worked on Martin's offense a lot, too. Remember the utterly wretched FG% he had when he arrived? Even the 38.5% he shot as a rookie was much better than he had done in college, against very weak opposition (he played for Western Carolina, you'll recall).

As for Douby, he has shown that he can shoot, but anything more than that I am going to have to see for myself. Considering his size, he has to become a good floor general to ever be a starter in the NBA, and that is going to take some work. I hope that he makes it, and does so while still a King, but it's hard to tell if much investment is being made in developing him. Having him fetch the team's coffee isn't going to help any.
 
Padrino said:
i don't know about that. he might be a more lethal shooter, but b-jax is a former 6th man of the year, remember? he earned that honor by being completely fearless. he would go to the basket with reckless abandon, and was a scrapper on defense as well. douby's got a long long ways to go before he proves that he will have even half of the tenacity that bobby jackson had in his prime.
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Thanks Padrino. Do people really forget the past that quickly?
 
Bricklayer said:
Douby's potential, as always, is dependent on his ability to learn how to play the point at least passably. He's 6'3" (MAYBE) and very scrawny. That is simply too small to play major minutes at OG. Nor is he an uberathlete who can jump out of the gym, a brawny guy, or anything else that would allow him to play "bigger" than he really is ala a Bobby Jackson. In fact quite the oppposite.

And of course even if he can become a tweener PG/OG type, there still may be an issue with the team as its currently constructed. First of all back in the day we could get away with having Bobby Jackson come in off the bench as a tweener guard sparkplug behind Mike Bibby, a shooting PG, because we had such superior passing at th OG, PF and C positions. In essence we just let those guys run the point, and Bobby was free to follow his instincts (score, attack). We don't have those passers anymore, and having two non passing PGs eating all our minutes on these teams is a bit problematic. Secondly even if Quincy learns how to play the PG acceptably -- which is to say reaches the point where he is able to break pressure, get the team in its offense, and maybe be counted on to set a guy up here and there -- he's still going to be primarily a scrawny scorer first and foremost. Again with our team the way it is that's a duplication of a lot of the personnel we already have. His chance, if he gets one, may have to await roster moves, should we ever actually decide to make any.


P.S. As an aside comparing somebody's high end to Dajuan Wagner, who pretty much bombed out of the league, is not really a compliment.
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If I recall correctly, during the pre-season and summer camp, he was asked to play primarily as a PG. So, I guess management also thought of him as a backup scoring PG. Let's see if he ever develops those instincts.

Brick makes some nice points about our other guys being playmakers for the team in recent years, allowing Bobby (and even Mike), to play more like SGs at the 1 position. Brad becomes fairly critical in such a scenario.
 
That was really the argument for drafting a Marcus Williams or Rajon Rondo (or even Kyle Lowry) instead of Quincy Douby wasn't it? At his best he's always going to be most valuable as a shooter because that's what his skill is. And as an undersized SG, he's got a limited ceiling as an NBA player. Marcus Williams had the reputation of a playmaker who can't shoot. Rondo had the reputation of a defensive terror who can't shoot (but a top scorer nonetheless, at least in high school). If you believe that shooting is a skill that can be taught (Tony Parker being a prominent example) than both of those players potentially have more to offer than Quincy Douby.
 
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