Dorell Wright?

[Capt. Factorial]

Ok next question. What do we trade for the 14 mil in salary. Salmons and Hayes

Why in the world would Philly do that? Salmons and Hayes are owed more in total than Iguodala is. Iguodala is better. So it wouldn't be a salary dump as they wouldn't be dumping salary, and it wouldn't be a talent-based trade, because they would be losing hard.

If Philly is looking for a salary dump, I don't think we'll be very able to accommodate them. It's possible, but I doubt it. Depending on the exact contract dollars of the JT and ThRob contracts, there's a slim chance that we could do Garcia ($6.1M) and Outlaw ($3M/3M/3M) for Iggy ($14.7/15.9) straight up, but more than likely it wouldn't quite work with the cap. We could make it happen by throwing in one of Whiteside/Honeycutt/IT, but I doubt Philly is looking for Honeycutt with the new wings they're bringing in and I doubt we're looking to deal IT. Whiteside?

If Philly actually wants talent back, it's MT23 or bust unless the front office decides that Tyreke is worth sending for Iggy (and I don't believe that). It would be quite a bit easier to make an offer work under the cap if we include MT23, but you still have to get Philly to bite, and they've got Turner and just signed Nick Young.

I'm just not sure there's a trade fit that works for both teams here.

 

[upinsmoke]

I actually doubt Jimmer would be part of the rotation on a normally run team. We have 3 guards in Reke, MT and IT who more than deserve every guard minute on the team. Jimmer would be the guy you spot in for a bit of shooting every once in a bit. And while he was a big liability last year overall, its not even a question fo any improvement or not with him. Its just the quality of the guys ahead of him. The minutes and shots are all accounted for. forcing extra bodies into the rotation just confuses and creates stress same as last year.

I agree with this and just wanted to add that having MT & Jimmer on the same roster has made zero sense so far both on the court and on paper. Daniel Gibson is just about Jimmer ceiling as of right now IMO while MT is becoming one of the premier guards in the league. I hope Jimmer makes significant strides this season because I want to see him succeed he's a King at the end of the day.

 

[ParniValjak]

I'll take the guy wanting minutes over a project. In your scenario you have 9 in the rotation and 2-3 projects. You still need 1-2 more guys in the roster. What happens when someone gets hurt? You expect the project to fill in? You just wasted your season.

No What you do for the 10th and 11th man is to get a solid veteran to play if needed but knowing full well that he will not play every game and not want to play big minutes. Someone who has been around for a while and brings leadership to the locker room. You know the Kurt Thomas, Earl Watson et al of the NBA. Then your 12th man onwards is a project player.

That is how good teams do it. Ones without direction or idea of how to get it done tend to stack up players who all want minutes and expect to play every game, causing all sort of issues and instability with the rotations.

 

[ParniValjak]

oh so we are looking for a SF that have a high 3pt % not matter how weak they are on defense? I was told earlier it was williams size. With iggy thats not the case. so if we want a weak defender that can shoot. Hell lets just put Jimmer out there at SF. I was under the absurd assumption we wanted a better defender hence the 27 page long threads on AK47 and Gerald Wallace neither of which are sharp shooters from behind the arc. So again. I ask for an explanation. do we want shooting, passing, height, defense, shot blocking WTH.

Did you just seriously call Iggy a weak defender?!

He is one of the best perimeter defenders in the league and he actually has strength to match it with the LeBrons and Melos of this world. I like T-Will and I reckon he would be a bargain for who ever signs him up (hopefully us) but if our owners are actually willing to spend money on Iggy, it is a clear upgrade. The fact that Iggy is good as spotting up for 3s is a bonus and a welcome one for us.

I am not going to dream about us getting Iggy because our owners would not spend that money on a player and I don't see anyone that we could trade to Philly for Iggy. They would want Reke or Cousins and I wouldn't do that but if we can get Iggy and roll out Iggy-Tyreke defensive combo on the perimeter, we significantly improve our perimeter D.

 

[ParniValjak]

Philly is losing Lou Williams, their undersized scorer, too.

Iggy for Thornton + (Hayes or Outlaw) would work. The 76ers have a lot of young bigs, and could use a vet. Collins would love a guy like Chuck. And the 76ers would save a little cap space in the short term.

They agreed to sign Nick Young on a 1 year $6 million deal so I am not sure they would be interested in Thornton even though he is a better player.

 

[swisshh]

So all Dorrel Wright cost was salary relief? The Kings couldn't afford that?

I am little surprised here.

 

[SacTownKid]

They can afford to re-sign Thompson who at this point really doesn't help a whole lot, and with the leagues top 3 point shooter being dangled on the side of the road with a free sign around his neck, they drive on by. Glad to see the plan for the off season coming full circle.

 

[rainmaker]

So all Dorrel Wright cost was salary relief? The Kings couldn't afford that?

I am little surprised here.

It is surprising. All Philly apparently gave up was a Euro guy not planning on coming over. Would this have been possible for us if we didn't sell our 2nd rounder and instead drafted a Euro who would stay over there a few years? So not only do we miss out on Wright, but we see another team in GS clear part of their SF rotation.

 

[twslam07]

They agreed to sign Nick Young on a 1 year $6 million deal so I am not sure they would be interested in Thornton even though he is a better player.

I'm not sure how that is a problem. If the main pieces being traded away are Thornton and Iguodala then their lineup would look like this:

Holiday
Thornton/N Young
Turner/Wright/Harkess
T Young/Vucevic
Hawes/Allen/Hamilton

I don't see a crowded lineup. Harkess was a mid first round selection. I don't think you can consider him a lock to get significant minutes. If you don't think Turner is capable of playing SF then they can trot out a rotation that looks like this:

Holiday
Turner/Thornton
Wright/N Young/Harkess
T Young/Vucevic
Hawes/Allen/Hamilton

 

[twslam07]

I think this trade does make Iguodala even more expendable to the Sixers. They have 6 players on their roster who are capable of playing SF (Iguodala, Wright, Turner, N Young, T Young, and Harkess). They will be more than capable of covering for Iguodala when he is gone.

What do you guys think about this trade?

Holiday
Iguodala

for

Thomas
Thornton
Thompson (have to be a sign and trade)

Sixer's lineup would be:

Thomas
Turner/Thornton
Wright/N Young/Harkess
Thompson/T Young/Vucevic
Hawes/Allen/Hamilton

8 man: Thomas, Turner, Thorton, Wright, N Young, Thompson, T Young, Hawes

That is a very solid, deep, and young lineup. Plenty of shooting to spread the floor. That's for sure.

The King's lineup would be:

Holiday/Fredette
Evans/Williams/Garcia
Iguodala/Salmons/Outlaw/Honeycutt
Robinson/Hayes
Cousins/Whiteside

8 man: Holiday, Evans, Williams, Iguodala, Salmons, Robinson, Cousins, Whiteside (I would like to see him get the minutes over Hayes)

This obviously leaves us with a very solid perimeter, but leaves us weak in frontcourt depth. However, by trading Thompson, it opens it up for us to get a shotblocker once again. Whether we get one in free agency, the draft, through trade, or through development (Whiteside).

 

[Entity]

I am cool with all but JT give them Hayes.

 

[twslam07]

I am cool with all but JT give them Hayes.

I don't think they do it without Thompson included.

 

[Entity]

I don't do it with him included. We would be stuck with a rook and Hayes. No deal

 

[rhythmless]

Did you just seriously call Iggy a weak defender?!

I ignored everything said after that. Probably one of the worst non troll posts on KF ever. Like saying Ray Allen was a weak shooter or Shaq was a weak offensive juggernaut.

Iggy was 7th in defensive voting last year and a 2nd team all defense the year before I think. His entire career has been built on athleticism and defense.

 

[mac]

I think this trade does make Iguodala even more expendable to the Sixers. They have 6 players on their roster who are capable of playing SF (Iguodala, Wright, Turner, N Young, T Young, and Harkess). They will be more than capable of covering for Iguodala when he is gone.

What do you guys think about this trade?

Holiday
Iguodala

for

Thomas
Thornton
Thompson (have to be a sign and trade)

Sixer's lineup would be:

Thomas
Turner/Thornton
Wright/N Young/Harkess
Thompson/T Young/Vucevic
Hawes/Allen/Hamilton

8 man: Thomas, Turner, Thorton, Wright, N Young, Thompson, T Young, Hawes

That is a very solid, deep, and young lineup. Plenty of shooting to spread the floor. That's for sure.

The King's lineup would be:

Holiday/Fredette
Evans/Williams/Garcia
Iguodala/Salmons/Outlaw/Honeycutt
Robinson/Hayes
Cousins/Whiteside

8 man: Holiday, Evans, Williams, Iguodala, Salmons, Robinson, Cousins, Whiteside (I would like to see him get the minutes over Hayes)

This obviously leaves us with a very solid perimeter, but leaves us weak in frontcourt depth. However, by trading Thompson, it opens it up for us to get a shotblocker once again. Whether we get one in free agency, the draft, through trade, or through development (Whiteside).

Giving up way too much. If Evans or any of our starting bigs go down we're ****ed. Again, I repeat, we CANNOT at this point be relying on Whiteside/Honeycutt/Jimmer to give us solid minutes as bench players.

 

[ESP47]

I don't do it with him included. We would be stuck with a rook and Hayes. No deal

We're going to suck this year anyway. I'd be more than willing to give up that package for Iggy and Holiday and build for the year after. Iggy is getting up there in age but Holiday is really coming on.

People here over value JT. He's a solid player but he's extremely inconsistent night to night. Did he improve this last year to get a contract or is he going to get better and better? The jury is still out, but either way he looks good to us because he's always been surrounded by a lot of untalented players.

 

[Entity]

First off Philly don't do that trade. Second off JT isn't the type off guy to get lazy now he has contract.

 

[mac]

We're going to suck this year anyway. I'd be more than willing to give up that package for Iggy and Holiday and build for the year after. Iggy is getting up there in age but Holiday is really coming on.

People here over value JT. He's a solid player but he's extremely inconsistent night to night. Did he improve this last year to get a contract or is he going to get better and better? The jury is still out, but either way he looks good to us because he's always been surrounded by a lot of untalented players.

Ah yes, build for the year after. The same thing we've been saying for 5 years. Always looking to create more holes whilst filling current needs, and then looking to fill those holes the next season.

If anything I think some people are overvaluing TWill if they think we can get by with a backcourt rotation of Holiday/Tyreke/Jimmer/Twill/Cisco.

Jimmer
TWill/Cisco
Salmons/Outlaw/Honeycutt
Hayes
Whiteside

Of that entire list I'd be surprised to find any team who would give any of those guys, save maybe Twill (who only played well in a small sample size), regular minutes off the bench based on their play last season.

 

[KingsCitizen]

In a world of potential.......

Travis Outlaw >>> Dorell Wright. And I'm not joking but I'm possibly wearing our FO's myopic glasses while writing this comment.

So for all who believed that we will get that SF this offseason, better do some other stuffs coz we're not getting any new guy except for maybe TWill.
We're already hitting our target payroll, the minimum. So we're most likely done.

Travis Outlaw will be our starting SF when the season starts. And don't start bashing. Outlaw is a tall and athletic SF that can play defense and hit occasional 3. He can block shots too. He does these stuff until he got the lowest morale playing for the Nets. I think he's due for a comeback now that his hand is healed. I hope so. I hope so!

 

[Mass]

In a world of potential.......

Travis Outlaw >>> Dorell Wright. And I'm not joking but I'm possibly wearing our FO's myopic glasses while writing this comment.

So for all who believed that we will get that SF this offseason, better do some other stuffs coz we're not getting any new guy except for maybe TWill.
We're already hitting our target payroll, the minimum. So we're most likely done.

Travis Outlaw will be our starting SF when the season starts. And don't start bashing. Outlaw is a tall and athletic SF that can play defense and hit occasional 3. He can block shots too. He does these stuff until he got the lowest morale playing for the Nets. I think he's due for a comeback now that his hand is healed. I hope so. I hope so!

I feel the same way. I don't think we will see any trades or FA signing, except maybe Williams. And I'm not totally against giving Outlaw a second chance. If he can be the player he was at the end of last year, he could be a decent SF for this team, especially because it would mean that Tyreke won't play SF again. We can only hope... With our owners, we can't do anything else.

 

[beb0p]

Travis Outlaw will be our starting SF when the season starts. And don't start bashing. Outlaw is a tall and athletic SF that can play defense and hit occasional 3. He can block shots too. He does these stuff until he got the lowest morale playing for the Nets. I think he's due for a comeback now that his hand is healed. I hope so. I hope so!

But Outlaw was used as a PF for the Blazers, as a mismatch of sorts - an athletic stretch-four. It's when he was moved to SF at NJ that Outlaw really struggled.

I'm still not convinced that he is a SF. I think his natural and best position is at PF.

 

[jdbraver]

I feel the same way. I don't think we will see any trades or FA signing, except maybe Williams. And I'm not totally against giving Outlaw a second chance. If he can be the player he was at the end of last year, he could be a decent SF for this team, especially because it would mean that Tyreke won't play SF again. We can only hope... With our owners, we can't do anything else.

His shooting last year we beyond terrible.

 

[KingsCitizen]

His shooting last year we beyond terrible.

If you sum up his season, yes it was terrible. But he got broken hand to start with. He was shooting better and more useful by end season though.

I'd take him over Salmons as a starter based his last 10 games and size. If Honeycutt breaks out though, that another story.

As I mentioned, it's more likely that we're done with the off season. So I'm just looking for bright spots in our roster using my Maloof-designed glasses. With this sort of owner, we can't really hope a lot.

 

[Mass]

His shooting last year we beyond terrible.

It's true, if you consider the whole season. That's why I wrote "at the end of last year". If we just look at April, when he started to get some more minutes and getting some confidence back, those are his numbers: 20.2 min - 8.11 pts - 1.89 reb - 0.67 ast - 1.33 stl - 0.89 blk - 42.0% fg - 40% 3fg - 68.8 ft%

Nothing great, I know, and I also know that 9 games are just a very small amount. But, at least, by the end of the year he was showing some improvements, and if we can't (or don't want) to sign a better SF, I'd rather start Travis and see if he can keep playing like this than having Tyreke again at SF.

 

[King Baller]

Do you think Jerry West is going to help the Kings? West stills bleeds purple and gold at some level and as the Yoda level advisor for the W's he wants DW raining 3's back east.

KB

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Like I said in another thread, Outlaw is my first choice as a starting SF at the moment. I'm not all that excited about it, but he is our best option.

The price tag for Wright was very low. I would have been happy to take him. With that being said .. I'm not sure Outlaw isn't a better player anyway. Or at the very least .. has been in the past. Wright really only had one statistical season that was far an away better than the numbers Outlaw has put up throughout his career.

Most would say Wright is a better 3pt shooter, and I would generally agree, but Outlaw has put up some very good 3pt shooting seasons. I think it would be fair to chalk up his bad shooting season last year to the wrist injury / new team (short training camp, and I don't think he was here from the start of it anyway) and of course, the lockout.

Neither player is a good defender, but Outlaw is certainly a better shotblocker... and he is obviously a better athlete with better length. He looked serviceable in the last 4 games of the season in which he started for us. 10PPG, with 6 blocks and 7 steals over those 4 games.

Small sample size for sure. But I think he is the best option with this roster as it is currently constructed.

 

[Bricklayer]

Like I said in another thread, Outlaw is my first choice as a starting SF at the moment. I'm not all that excited about it, but he is our best option.

The price tag for Wright was very low. I would have been happy to take him. With that being said .. I'm not sure Outlaw isn't a better player anyway. Or at the very least .. has been in the past. Wright really only had one statistical season that was far an away better than the numbers Outlaw has put up throughout his career.

Most would say Wright is a better 3pt shooter, and I would generally agree, but Outlaw has put up some very good 3pt shooting seasons. I think it would be fair to chalk up his bad shooting season last year to the wrist injury / new team (short training camp, and I don't think he was here from the start of it anyway) and of course, the lockout.

Neither player is a good defender, but Outlaw is certainly a better shotblocker... and he is obviously a better athlete with better length. He looked serviceable in the last 4 games of the season in which he started for us. 10PPG, with 6 blocks and 7 steals over those 4 games.

Small sample size for sure. But I think he is the best option with this roster as it is currently constructed.

I know people want to talk themselves into Outlaw and whatnot, but its been 4 yrs since his play was NBA level, passing through 4 different teams over that span. There is a significant chance that this is just what he is now. Looks great (as a SF, ridiculously weak as a PF) and then...nothing. His complete inability to catch and shoot was particularly troubling for us. We picked up two SFs last year in Outlaw and Salmons, and neither one of them could perform the simplest and most important for us of shooting skills. Always wanted/needed to dribble aroudn before throwing up their bricks. Oddly does not jibe with how I remembered him years ago in Portland, but those memories could be off since he and Webster were a platoon and it all jsut kind of blurred together.

 

[bajaden]

I know people want to talk themselves into Outlaw and whatnot, but its been 4 yrs since his play was NBA level, passing through 4 different teams over that span. There is a significant chance that this is just what he is now. Looks great (as a SF, ridiculously weak as a PF) and then...nothing. His complete inability to catch and shoot was particularly troubling for us. We picked up two SFs last year in Outlaw and Salmons, and neither one of them could perform the simplest and most important for us of shooting skills. Always wanted/needed to dribble aroudn before throwing up their bricks. Oddly does not jibe with how I remembered him years ago in Portland, but those memories could be off since he and Webster were a platoon and it all jsut kind of blurred together.

Salmons didn't surpise me, he's always overdribbled the ball, but Outlaw's fall from grace is a surprise. I remember a few years ago when many on this fourm wanted us to trade for him. I'd love to believe that his last 9 or so games is the true reflection of his skills, but I just think thats a major leap of faith. A leap I'd hate to go into the start of the season with.

 

[Entity]

Garcia is the best fit. That's on our roster. Right brick?

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

I know people want to talk themselves into Outlaw and whatnot, but its been 4 yrs since his play was NBA level, passing through 4 different teams over that span. There is a significant chance that this is just what he is now. Looks great (as a SF, ridiculously weak as a PF) and then...nothing. His complete inability to catch and shoot was particularly troubling for us. We picked up two SFs last year in Outlaw and Salmons, and neither one of them could perform the simplest and most important for us of shooting skills. Always wanted/needed to dribble aroudn before throwing up their bricks. Oddly does not jibe with how I remembered him years ago in Portland, but those memories could be off since he and Webster were a platoon and it all jsut kind of blurred together.

All fair points, but honestly.. Any of our current SF options are going to take some substantial 'talking into'. None of them shot well last season from 3, and at the very least Outlaw had a built in injury excuse, and started shooting better as the season went on and the injury healed. That is kind of a 'perfect world' scenario, but at least it makes sense.

And the one thing I know he can still do is block shots. I know he can play some decent weak side defense. I know he would push Evans to SG, and I know we will give us added size and length. I can't say that about our other options, although Cisco is also a good shotblocker, I think Outlaw can have a bigger impact in that area.