Done Deal - Bulls and Kings - Salmons and Miller Traded

[thelonegunman]

According to various websites, Nocioni's salary actually de-escalates each of the next 3 seasons. Salmons was on the books for the next 2 seasons.

Nocioni's salary is only 1M more than Salmons during the final year of his current deal in 2010/11.

Think of it this way, the Kings extended Salmons deal for one more year so that they could rid themselves of Brad Miller's contract right now. However, Nocioni is a much better defender and all-around player than Salmons is.

All in all, it's a good deal. Let's just hope the Kings do something smart with the money this Summer (or next if they decide to sit on the savings for a year).

 

[Gary]

Well, next year was the immediate concern. Did all of you read the article about the Maloofs losing hundreds of millions of dollars in the ponzi scheme?

Here is the result. Immediate cost cutting for next year. Worry about the years after when they come. Only a slight increase in overall dollars, but spread over another 2 years. I think the main concern was an immediate dump of Miller's salary for next year.

Yah I read about that.. But the trade does nothing for us. When will the Kings decide they need to get better? 2012? 2013? Maybe the Maloofs should look into selling the team rather than give us a crappy product if they are so hard up for cash.

 

[kf4l]

the fact is we get crappy contracts and same soft players, at this point if we need a bad contract i would take someone who plays defense.

Salmons defense + offense is better than Nocioni's. So our defense will still continue to be bad and we now have a bad contract.

 

[nbrans]

By the way, I will eat my words if this deal is followed-up by something like an expiring to Washington for their pick or some other trade that utilizes the cap room. Otherwise this is just a short term financial dump, and a disappointing one at that.

 

[G_M]

bottom Line Is That We Now Have Two Kenny Thomases On The Team, Only One Happens To Be Argentinian.

Epic!!!

 

[sidney]

Reading is fundamental...

The Chicago Bulls and Sacramento Kings have reached tentative agreement on a trade sending Andres Nocioni, Drew Gooden and Cedric Simmons to the Kings for Brad Miller and John Salmons, ESPN.com.
One source said the Bulls players were pulled off the team bus Wednesday afternoon and were told they had been traded.
Michael Ruffin of the Bulls also was told be was being traded to Portland in a separate deal, the source added.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3916703

Looks like Ruffin goes to Portland. We get 2 expirings and an albatross.

KT Part Deux

 

[VF21]

Who wasn't specific about what they wanted? Pure expirings and young players is all ANYBODY wanted. I don't think anyone wanted to take on a 29 year old small forward, worse than Salmons, and signed a year longer.

All this did was clear some salary in the short term. The team now has $10 million in the offseason, which, judging from all signs out of ARCO, probably will just be sat upon.

Bottom line is that we now have two Kenny Thomases on the team, only one happens to be Argentinian.

The only problem with wanting pure expirings and young players is that the other team has to be willing to part with them. If you read the stuff in the Bee this morning, I think three different writers pointed out the obvious - there are a lot of team trying to cut salaries and they're not going to part with expirings at the drop of a hat.

Everyone can and will be mad and call Petrie and the Maloofs names BUT I've been reading this board all year and most were truly hateful towards Miller and Salmons and wanted them gone, many at "any price." Well, they're gone...and I strongly suspect and hope we'll see more of the kids for the rest of the year.'

It's reported that Gooden has a groin injury and most likely won't be playing so he's not a problem.

I refuse to get all suicidal over this deal.

 

[Merdiesel]

Is there any chance of a second trade including Nocioni?.. can they do that?

this just makes me sick.

 

[asakkings]

i also read on sacbee we also get Ike Diogu from portland for Ruffin and 1million. How is Ike Diogu dont think i have ever seen him play?

 

[KingGiant49erFan]

Reading is fundamental...



How do we know Natt is going to do anything? Sorry but I'm glad we moved Miller and Salmons and I don't think Drew Gooden is going to come in and set the world on fire...

I think Nocioni is okay and moveable...but again, we moved Miller and Salmons which is what just about everyone around here was asking for. Perhaps you should have been a little more specific...

BTW? I added a poll for people to grade the trade...

that statement is nothing less than completely incorrect.

 

[SacKings384]

Ugh...What an awful trade... It doesn't put us anywhere it didn't before. At least Brad Miller had some potential talent that teams might want. Now we have ZERO trade bait for any rebuilding pieces. Who the hell wants Nocioni at that price? Oh... Right... We do...

 

[bench_blob]

No More Miller!!!

No More Salmons!!!

Glorious Day For All Kings Fans!!!

 

[nbrans]

The only problem with wanting pure expirings and young players is that the other team has to be willing to part with them. If you read the stuff in the Bee this morning, I think three different writers pointed out the obvious - there are a lot of team trying to cut salaries and they're not going to part with expirings at the drop of a hat.

Everyone can and will be mad and call Petrie and the Maloofs names BUT I've been reading this board all year and most were truly hateful towards Miller and Salmons and wanted them gone, many at "any price." Well, they're gone...and I strongly suspect and hope we'll see more of the kids for the rest of the year.'

It's reported that Gooden has a groin injury and most likely won't be playing so he's not a problem.

I refuse to get all suicidal over this deal.

No deal would have been better than this deal. We all wanted a deal to happen, but the right deal. The fact is Brad was a big expiring next year and Salmons is good and signed to a reasonable deal. It seems like a lot of teams were interested in him. It wasn't necessary to dump Salmons with Brad for a short term salary benefit at the expense of the future, unless deals are being made solely with short term financial benefit in mind, which I suspect they are.

Nocioni isn't as good as Salmons and has a worse deal, and he doesn't belong on a rebuilding team. He's Kenny Thomas all over again.

Honestly, barring a brilliant follow-up move that utilizes the extra cap room, I feel like the Kings would have been better off standing pat.

We'll see if there's a follow-up and the plans are incomplete. Otherwise this is just depressing.

 

[Nath in Oz]

From what I can see, they remove a seemingly bad locker room influence in Miller, remove a guy who has allegedly complained that he can't get his looks. In turn, they've taken on two expiring salaries and Nocioni who can shoot the three witha level of consistency and play the 3 & 4 spots.

Admittedly, I don't know the ins and outs of the NBA system being in Australia, but what is the possibility of moving Nocioni on again come the US Summer?

I love Cisco, but Nocioni provides a little more than Cisco in my view.

Would have rathered a draft pick or something additional, but if this deal is made on the basis of other deals, potentially involving Beno, Quincy and Mikki, then there may be some method to the madness.

On the other side of the equation, Geoff seems (from the outside) to be losing his shine and it may just be the nail in his coffin.

 

[VF21]

Yah I read about that.. But the trade does nothing for us. When will the Kings decide they need to get better? 2012? 2013? Maybe the Maloofs should look into selling the team rather than give us a crappy product if they are so hard up for cash.

Are you going to buy the Kings?

They're cutting costs BUT according to at least two different articles they've told Petrie that they will open the wallets for a franchise player.

I'm stunned... some of you would complain about being hanged with a new rope.

Whatever, people... You wanted change, you got change.

 

[Vlade4GM]

After all this anticipation, it was only about saving the Maloofs money next year while simultaneously taking a longer contract than Salmon's with a more expensive 2010/11 salary. On top of that, we get no draft picks or prospects YAY!! Reality just hit me right smack in the face, gawd was I an idiot.

 

[sidney]

By the way, I will eat my words if this deal is followed-up by something like an expiring to Washington for their pick or some other trade that utilizes the cap room. Otherwise this is just a short term financial dump, and a disappointing one at that.

Yes, that would be a genius move, however this smells like a larger Sam Cassell type trade. It's for money in the immediate future and has nothing to do with helping the team.

 

[KingGiant49erFan]

i also read on sacbee we also get Ike Diogu from portland for Ruffin and 1million. How is Ike Diogu dont think i have ever seen him play?

so the best part of trading miller and salmons (who salmons alone should have at least garnered a pick) is that we MIGHT get Diogu (a well-known bust in these parts) wow.

 

[kingzallday]

Are you serious?.......I am speechless.

 

[Andre87]

MORE FLEXIBLE PIECES! Mastermind Petrie at work again!

 

[sdballer]

The only problem with wanting pure expirings and young players is that the other team has to be willing to part with them. If you read the stuff in the Bee this morning, I think three different writers pointed out the obvious - there are a lot of team trying to cut salaries and they're not going to part with expirings at the drop of a hat.

Everyone can and will be mad and call Petrie and the Maloofs names BUT I've been reading this board all year and most were truly hateful towards Miller and Salmons and wanted them gone, many at "any price." Well, they're gone...and I strongly suspect and hope we'll see more of the kids for the rest of the year.'

It's reported that Gooden has a groin injury and most likely won't be playing so he's not a problem.

I refuse to get all suicidal over this deal.

Let's not pretend there is any benefit from a basketball perspective in this deal. This is simply about saving the Maloofs some money in the short term. The kids could have played either way, just stop overplaying the vets and I find it hard to excuse this as a once again "nobody wanted to trade" thing when other teams seem to find a way to make it happen. Either way, like Bibby we jumped the gun with a bad trade instead of finding the right one.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

This better meen we are making a move for Ramon Sessions in the offseason.

 

[beb0p]

I like the deal. Mainly:

1. The Hawes/JT era is now official. And no, Gooden will not play more than 25 mins even when healthy. You can book it.

2. Get rid of two losers.

3. Gooden is a much better teacher than the stoned Miller. Finally a vet to show the kids how to rebound and play in the paint (besides SAR, who really only played in the paint on offense).

4. Most likely Mikki will be gone next season since Noc can play PF.

5. Noc's contract is a minus, but his $6.5M/yr is not going to affect the rebuild one bid. Plus, he hustles, plays defesne and a better fit than Salmons. Noc is someone who helps you win games, unlike his predessesor.

6. Finally, I don't believe for a minute that it's even possible to get a pick for our garbage. Anyone who's expecting a pick is, in my book, either overestimated GP's ability or "not in tune with the market" - as the realtors say.

7. Last but not least, no more worrying that GP will sign someone with the MLE to replace Salmons.

 

[Heuge]

Are you going to buy the Kings?

They're cutting costs BUT according to at least two different articles they've told Petrie that they will open the wallets for a franchise player.

I'm stunned... some of you would complain about being hanged with a new rope.

Whatever, people... You wanted change, you got change.

BAH!!!

Change for change sake, sucks.

 

[DocHolliday]

i also read on sacbee we also get Ike Diogu from portland for Ruffin and 1million. How is Ike Diogu dont think i have ever seen him play?

I don't think we're getting Diogu. Ruffin is going to Portland in a separate trade. So, we aren't involved in that.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Anyone who try's to put a positive spin on this trade has lost there mind. I dont care how much you love the kings, this was a mistake.

However, it doesnt destroy our future. Maybe there is some over reacting, but there is still little doubt that this was a bad trade. Some things that make this deal less-aweful. Nooch's contract isnt a team killer, and runs as long as Salmons so its all square in that department. I would rather have Gooden then Brad Miller. This might improve team chemistry. At least Andres isnt a ball hog ( salmons ) and while Gooden is soft, he's not *** soft as Miller.

I'll agree this team needed a different look, and the two most complained about players this season has been Brad and John ( Beno aswell ) are now gone.

Im not going to hate on the player, there ours now. Dont hate them for how much money they make .. I actually think andres is a cool guy.



By all means hate on Petrie, should he be fire? probly.

Just thank god we still have a future. Salmons won us prob 4 games this year .. we may not win another game = #1 pick.

With ALL this, the trade is still a big, fat, F

 

[Henkel]

However, Nocioni is a much better defender and all-around player than Salmons is.

This needs to stop. I know a lot of people dislike Salmons but he was a decent start and a far better player the Nocioni and thats not an exaggeration. I dunno about the next Kenny Thomas but prepare to be disappointed if you think Nocioni is going to be a upgrade in anyway.

 

[NoBonus]

now the Kings, have what, 7 PF's on the roster? Who is getting waived? I hope another trade involving Moore is still coming soon.

 

[DerekJ]

Wow.. We trade away our 2nd best player to get an a group of injury prone average players. To top it off, we get back a worse and longer group of contracts and no youth or draft picks.

I don't even think this trade would be allowed on NBA Live.

 

[keflanag]

According to various websites, Nocioni's salary actually de-escalates each of the next 3 seasons. Salmons was on the books for the next 2 seasons.

Nocioni's salary is only 1M more than Salmons during the final year of his current deal in 2010/11.

Think of it this way, the Kings extended Salmons deal for one more year so that they could rid themselves of Brad Miller's contract right now. However, Nocioni is a much better defender and all-around player than Salmons is.

All in all, it's a good deal. Let's just hope the Kings do something smart with the money this Summer (or next if they decide to sit on the savings for a year).

Are you actually trying to be logical with the people here? Trust me, don't waste your time.