not correct, look two posts above yours
Current Team Discussion and Possible Trades
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not correct, look two posts above yours
We gave up Nik Stauskas and our 2018 1st round pick. You can't just take it out of the entire equation... we still would've been able to sign Marco without the trade. Theoretically, we could have Malachi Richardson and our 2018 1st round pick. It doesn't make sense saying, "oh, since we traded Marco for a 2016 1st round pick, it automatically makes up for us losing our 2018 1st round pick". That doesn't make sense.
Are you trying to say that since Vlade got us another 1st round pick in 2016, it makes his Nik Stauskas trade not look as bad? You can say that..but to act like we gave up completely nothing to the Sixers is extremely silly.
It was a bad trade, and it is still a bad trade. I don't get how some fans continue to justify it... 99.999% of the entire NBA knows it was a horrible trade. It's not national media trying to create a narrative. It was truly a horrific trade that didn't pay off for us at all. To make things worse, Vlade was trying to trade all of that for Wesley Matthews.
Suicide King
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And that is very true. Just wanted to add what info I could find. Have not dug too deeply yet. And of course it is going to be hit or miss either way. I understand frustration of rookies not coming in right away to contribute, and also the logic of assigning them straight to the nbadl where they are getting way more playing time than they would on our roster. I believe this to be a proper use of our D-league affiliate however. year after year we draft with the expectation that they have to save us somehow in the upcoming season. Ben was thrown to the wolves in this method and it has not panned out as well as his perceived value implied.
This is pathetic
you cannot pick and choose either what to ignore and what to include. Why do you think we would hire Marco with garbage and Stauskas on the team?
What Big Cuz posted was what Vlade did in this year and a half. As soon as you and other posters start picking and choosing you are just fidgeting narrative to fit your view of things.
As I said, Vlade has brought in the guys to help facilitate a change in culture. Last few years, everybody complains that the team has given up. Is that what your seeing now? That means something. The previous coaches did not know how to create a new culture. Quite frankly, Karl created one of the most negative and crapty cultures I've seen in a long time. That is what Vlade took over and what Joerger is taking over.
You can feel anyway you want but I focus on the new regime. Yes, the last 10 seasons has been frustrating but I'm not going to dump it all onto the new org.....which is what many want to do.
He's brought in guys who compete hard....I said he's brought in guys to help facilitate change. Joerger has to manage this now. The guys Vlade has brought in compete hard on the court. What they do off the court s another story. On the court, they bring it. That is a big deal for our younger players.
Your posts literally say the same thing over and over and over. Try something different.
I'm not picking and choosing about what to ignore and what to include. I was doing the exact opposite. The person before me was trying to say we basically didn't trade anything in the Stauskas trade, which is wildly incorrect.
We traded Nik Stauskas+Carl Landry+Jason Thompson+ 2015 1st round swap+2016 1st round swap+2018 1st round pick for Luka Mitrovic and Artuis Gudaitis.
Fans who said the Kings lost nothing are the ones nit-picking. This is the trade that happened.
bloom
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Did anybody else see this rumor?
John Wall to the Kings...
1. The Washington Wizards will acquire Goran Dragic from the Heat plus Willie Cauley-Stein, Skal Labissiere and a future first-round pick from the Kings;
2. The Miami Heat will receive Rudy Gay and Darren Collison from the Kings;
3. Finally, the Sacramento Kings will get John Wall from the Wizards.
I'm not sure about trading Willie just yet but I'd love to get John Wall over here.
Source: http://www.hngn.com/articles/220016...i-heat-goran-dragic-to-washington-wizards.htm
Let's also find a way to get Kent Bazemore over here from the Hawks and we're starting something.
John Wall to the Kings...
1. The Washington Wizards will acquire Goran Dragic from the Heat plus Willie Cauley-Stein, Skal Labissiere and a future first-round pick from the Kings;
2. The Miami Heat will receive Rudy Gay and Darren Collison from the Kings;
3. Finally, the Sacramento Kings will get John Wall from the Wizards.
I'm not sure about trading Willie just yet but I'd love to get John Wall over here.
Source: http://www.hngn.com/articles/220016...i-heat-goran-dragic-to-washington-wizards.htm
Let's also find a way to get Kent Bazemore over here from the Hawks and we're starting something.
whozit
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The Kings would be getting fleeced. Rudy Gay, Darren Collison, Willie Cauley-Stein, Skal Labissiere AND a future first-round pick for John Wall? I don't think so.
bloom
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I agree that's a lot. If we do this trade I'd really like to keep Willie and the Future.
I like Darren but a change could be good.
I'm not sure what kind of player Skal is since I have limited access to Kings games.
That post is not correct. Marco did not net all those players. Marco turned into Richardson + Afflalo. 1 is having a bad year and the other is in the D-League. For a team that is trying to compete this year, which side would you rather have?
whozit
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You could just as easily have said, "Marco turned into Richardson + Temple." Neither statement is correct. "Marco turned into Richardson" is. Marco was crap for the Kings and Richardson has been in the D-League. One wouldn't have helped (based on last year) and the other hasn't helped this year, pick your poison.
how do you call ignoring $$$ that were freed in that trade in this post of yours?
1st round pick Kings got (Richardson) was not in your post. Why did you ignore it but included the 1st round pick Kings gave away?
Big Cuz 15
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the team got better by addition by subtraction. vlade went and got some good locker room guys to show these youngsters how to be professionals and compete. i'm willing to bet he knows the value of those things and how important it is to building a team. theres still trade deadline to unload rudy & ben. both will cost some $$$ to retain em. cash em in while you can. don't want to get stuck in the IT situation where that buffoon let him go for -- a trade exception.
Hoovtrain
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Why?
Eh, not really. I don't think we would get a lot in return for Rudy and DC anymore considering how their play has declined this year. Long-term assets, we'd be giving up WCS, Skal, and this year's 1st?
I don't think that would be enough for Wall.
$15m in cap space? Ok. If it makes it sound better, we traded:
2018 1st round pick+2016 1st round swap+2017 1st round swap+Nik Stauskas +Carl Landry+Jason Thompson
for
Luka Mitrovic+Arturas Gudatis? We freed up $15million cap space.
It does not sound any better.
Dude. We didn't get Malachi Richardson from the Stauskas trade. Why would anybody include that?
Like I said, even if we didn't do the Stauskas trade, we'd still have enough cap space to sign Marco. The Stauskas trade had nothing to do with Malachi Richardson.
Why do you think we would hire Marco if we still had crap we sent Philly way?
It is completely different alternate universe of "what ifs" that you conveniently nit pick the outcome that fits your views.
twslam07
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Disagree completely.
Gay & Collison are expirings. There is no guarantee they would come back next year. Cauley-Stein is struggling this year and still has some question marks about his game. Labissiere has big time potential, but he also has big bust potential as well. It's why he slipped to #28. The earliest the 1st could be would be in the year of 2021.
To sum it up, you're trading two expirings, two young players who haven't established themselves in the league yet, and a 1st 5 years away for a PG who is not only very good and young, but he's also one of Cousins' best friends which should help with retaining Cousins when his contract is up.
I'm not so sure we would be much better this year if we made the trade as we would still have issues at SG, SF, & PF. If that's the case, perhaps we would keep our pick, and add potentially a 3rd star to the mix. For instance, we could potentially draft Jonathan Isaac with our pick and have these players going into next year:
PG - Wall
SG - Temple / Bogdanovic / Richardson
SF - Barnes
PF - Isaac
C - Cousins / Koufos / Papagiannis
This would leave us with ~$32 mil in cap space ($38.5 mil if Barnes doesn't pick up his option).
Who knows? With a Joerger/Cousins/Wall/Isaac core, perhaps FAs are a little more attracted. It would be great if we were able to steal Otto Porter away from Washington in FA. Wall/Richardson/Porter/Isaac/Cousins as a starting lineup of the future has some potential to do some damage.
twslam07
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Very interesting. I still am skeptical that we have what it takes to get Wall in a trade without giving up Cousins. I was convinced the only way to get Wall would be through FA in 2019.
I felt that the only real chance to trade for Wall would have been during the draft when we are allowed to trade our pick. I was thinking SAC 2017 1st (top 10), Cauley-Stein, & Labissiere would be the starting point with Bogdanovic, Papagiannis, and/or Richardson being included as other assets to get the job done.
SLAB
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Two questions,
1; Is Kenneth Faried still a high motor energy rebounder?
2; Could the Nuggets use Rudy Gay?
Faried+piece(?) for Rudy?
Obviously I've put minimal thought into the preposition, but I'm just tired of Rudy and want a high motor player bouncing around at PF next to Cuz. Also reunites Rudy with GOAT Malone... So who knows.
1; Is Kenneth Faried still a high motor energy rebounder?
2; Could the Nuggets use Rudy Gay?
Faried+piece(?) for Rudy?
Obviously I've put minimal thought into the preposition, but I'm just tired of Rudy and want a high motor player bouncing around at PF next to Cuz. Also reunites Rudy with GOAT Malone... So who knows.
Nuggets seem to be happy with Faried right now, so I don't think they'll trade him any time soon. But yes, Faried is still a great rebounder. However, no, the Nuggets have no use for Rudy at all. They have Wilson Chandler who's been breaking out averaging 18ppg, and they also have Gallinari too.
The only piece that could sway them is probably Collison. They're a decent PG away from being contenders for the 8th seed.
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KingMilz
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No what's pathetic is you don't have an argument and the fact is there is a gross double standard on here in regards to any reporter/coach/GM that likes Cousins and doesn't regardless if they do the exact same things.
When someone has no argument that's the type of response they put
Lame....I've already stated my opinion/argument on here over and over.
If I read this right, your saying there is a double standard in comparing Karl and Joerger, D'Allesandro/Mullin and Vlade. Is that it?
itzcoatl
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but that's not comparing vlade's picks with the bucks picks which I believe was the topic of discussion at that point in the thread.
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KingsFan80
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Which youngsters are you talking about? WCS and McLemore are the only "youngsters" there. And Cousins is 26, not sure if you mean him but Matt Barnes sure showed him how to be a professional and compete. The other ones are two hours away in Reno.
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KingsFan80
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Thon Maker was used as an example as to why we should be ok with Papa pick. The post you are talking about, was saying the Bucks could take a chance because of their past draft picks. They have a solid group of younger players, unlike us so we couldn't afford to take another risk
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