Could We Have Some Defense, Please

This is true... but Rondo already played for him when he was assistant coach with the Celtics for three years, including 2008 when they won the championship. I would think they probably have a good enough relationship that they can work it out but I don't have any personal insight on what their relationship is. A quick google search turned this article up which suggests Rondo would be in favor.
Good article...funny how it talks about Thibs being a hard worker and you can't beat him to the gym....meanwhile during the Kings optional practice today, Karl is a no show. I think Cuz, Rondo and Gay also opted out but see,s maybe the head coach might want to be there.
 
Anything about Doug Christie being more involved with the team gets an automatic like from me. One of my all-time favorite players and I'm certain he'd be a great coach if he wants to pursue it.
Is there anyone that doesn't like Doug Christie? I listen to him on the telecasts and he's got infectious energy. And it's genuine. Wouldn't shock me the least bit if one day, Doug Christie is announced as head coach. Connected to Vlade, smart, energy, even keeled, WOULD MAKE DEFENSE A PRIORITY.
 
There is no guarantee that a new head coach will "save" the season just like there's no guarantee that George Karl will figure this mess out soon and turn the team around and finish the season with an admirable record. The organization cannot risk another in-season coaching change.
Sure it can. Just has to happen soon and you've got to do your due diligence before cutting the cord. Some of that should already be done given the writing's been on the wall for half a year now.

What this organization can't risk is just hoping Karl will suddenly change his ways as we waste another season. So Vlade's either got to enact change with Karl or he's got to replace him.
 
BTW, Karl had an "optional" practice today he didn't attend.

Sounds like a good time to skip out on practice.
 
There have been a LOT of Kings fans calling for Thibs as the new head coach. I like his defensive scheme quite a bit but honestly, if people thought Rondo and Carlisle were a disaster I'd hate to see what Rondo and Thibs would look like. He's a meticulous game planner who calls a TON of plays from the sidelines. If there's one player on this team that Karl is very good for, it's Rajon Rondo.
Great points. Of course we are very likely to have neither Thibbs nor Rondo to worry about next season. Again my larger point simply is that Changing coaches just because we are not wining is pointless with out a certain upgrade in the wings.
 
I'm assuming you meant GK, right? ;)

I think that if/when the time comes for Karl and the Kings to part company, that the public announcement will be that it's because of health reasons. It's not like GK would ever be able to get another coaching job after this anyway...

If I am Karl I don't concede to that. The guy is prideful over beating cancer and rightfully so. Doubtful he is going to feign a "health reason" so that the Kings "save face". But it doesn't matter anyway. Vlade and Vivek care if the national media gives them (more) grief. They care about winning and if they conclude Karl is getting in the way of that then Vivek may eat his contract.

Relatedly Vlade endorsed the hiring of Karl when he was Vivek's consultant. I hear fans say "Karl was not Vlade's hire" as basis for his tenuous hold on position. Technically this is true but Vlade advocated for the hire of Karl in his role as a consultant. If Vlade goes to Vivek calling for a coaching change, he cannot play "not my hire" card when he was pulling the strings behind the scenes.

Looking at the schedule the next 10 games are going to tell us if this team can do anything this season besides try to win 30 games. They need to be within a few games of .500 at the 25 game mark of the season if playoffs are realistic goal. 8 of the next 10 games are very winnable (exception @ OKC @GSW) and so if the Kings don't get right over the course of this stretch Karl is in trouble.

Hypothetically if they go 2-8 or 3-7 then its lights out. That puts them 7-18 and they are going nowhere barring a 10 game win streak. If they play to their potential and go 7-3 or better their record is 12-13 and things are hopeful. Karl's job is on the line over next 2 weeks and he needs to show why he is a "HOF coach".
 
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If I am Karl I don't concede to that. The guy is prideful over beating cancer and rightfully so. Doubtful he is going to feign a "health reason" so that the Kings "save face".

Interesting. I was thinking about the Kings saving face. I was thinking about George Karl saving face.
 
If the Kings make a coaching change this season, and I am not advocating we do, but if it happens I would be excited to see Vlade put on yet another hat and coach on an interim basis ;). This really is his team, he knows what each player is capable of, he built this team around DMC (in the post!), signed guys with the intent of being of versatile team (including being a strong defensive team) and he most certainly would have their trust and respect. (And based on his expression and demeanor in the tunnel when the team was under performing at Home :mad:, I believe he would welcome the opportunity – he is strongly vested in this team and I have every reason to believe he would be successful:)).

But I am still willing to give Karl some time to come to his senses and play to our strengths (and not play based on what the opposition is doing). However, he seems to be a shadow of what he used to be...I wonder if he still has what it takes to be a NBA coach in today's world?:(

Tik toc, tik toc, the clock is ticking...:eek:
 
the Kings, for whatever stupid reason, appear to have made up their minds that they're not going to promote Kayte Christensen to the color commentary role that she belongs in

I know that there is a lot of Kayte love on this board, by certain members, but I still don't understand it. I personally don't mind her as the sideline reporter and I think her knowledge of the NBA is satisfactory, but I've never seen or heard anything from her that screams "color commentary". Something tells me that is she wasn't a tall, good looking woman she wouldn't get half the run on this board that she does.
 
I know that there is a lot of Kayte love on this board, by certain members, but I still don't understand it. I personally don't mind her as the sideline reporter and I think her knowledge of the NBA is satisfactory, but I've never seen or heard anything from her that screams "color commentary". Something tells me that is she wasn't a tall, good looking woman she wouldn't get half the run on this board that she does.
That's cool. It's a free country; you're entitled to your incorrect opinion.
 
I know that there is a lot of Kayte love on this board, by certain members, but I still don't understand it. I personally don't mind her as the sideline reporter and I think her knowledge of the NBA is satisfactory, but I've never seen or heard anything from her that screams "color commentary". Something tells me that is she wasn't a tall, good looking woman she wouldn't get half the run on this board that she does.

And something tells me that if she was a tall good-looking man we might not even be having this conversation.
 
That's cool. It's a free country; you're entitled to your incorrect opinion.

Just because you don't agree with it, doesn't at all make it incorrect. In fact, opinions -- yours included -- are referred to as opinions because they can't be proven factual.

But if you really want to drill down and try to find out who appears to be more right, I offer the fact that no franchise is rushing to employ her as a color commentator. She's been available for quite a while now, yet still no gig. Occam's razor, my friend.
 
And something tells me that if she was a tall good-looking man we might not even be having this conversation.

But she is a tall good-looking woman and we ARE having this conversation. Point is moot.

Let me also point out that the only reason that this conversation is taking place is because you, Slim and perhaps a couple others continually bring it up and push the agenda. I don't ever see it discussed as a remote possibility anywhere else. Just here. And just by the pro-Kayte crowd.

Again, I have no hard feelings toward Kayte. I like her. I just think you guys are over-inflating her talent just as some fans do with some players.
 
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Kayte rocks, whether you appreciate her physical gifts or not. But if I had to choose between her and Doug, I'd choose Doug. But maybe I'd first try to get Doug on the bench as an assistant coach in-training.
 
Just because you don't agree with it, doesn't at all make it incorrect. In fact, opinions -- yours included -- are referred to as opinions because they can't be proven factual.
You have been misled if you believe that something has to be proven "factually" in order to be wrong. Can hatred be proven "factually"? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion; that does not mean that all opinions are equally valid.

But if you really want to drill down and try to find out who appears to be more right, I offer the fact that no franchise is rushing to employ her as a color commentator. She's been available for quite a while now, yet still no gig. Occam's razor, my friend.
Actually, if you really want to take it there, if you want to invoke Occam's razor, the most likely explanation for why Kayte Christensen has never gotten a color job is sexism and/or the Glass Ceiling.

I mean, seriously, every single game, we have Kings Fans complaining about how much they hate the other teams' announcers. You're not going to convince too many people that there are 30+ (local plus national) currently employed NBA color commentators who are more qualified/competent than Kayte Christensen.
 
But she is a tall good-looking woman and we ARE having this conversation. Point is moot.

Let me also point out that the only reason that this conversation is taking place is because you, Slim and perhaps a couple others continually bring it up and push the agenda. I don't ever see it discussed as a remote possibility anywhere else. Just here. And just by the pro-Kayte crowd.

Again, I have no hard feelings toward Kayte. I like her. I just think you guys are over-inflating her talent just as some fans do with some players.
Yeah, Kayte is good at her job, and deserves a promotion. Such "agenda pushers," we are. :rolleyes:
 
I'm assuming you meant GK, right? ;)

I think that if/when the time comes for Karl and the Kings to part company, that the public announcement will be that it's because of health reasons. It's not like GK would ever be able to get another coaching job after this anyway...

Yes. My bad. George Karl.
-Cheers.
 
Just because you don't agree with it, doesn't at all make it incorrect. In fact, opinions -- yours included -- are referred to as opinions because they can't be proven factual.

But if you really want to drill down and try to find out who appears to be more right, I offer the fact that no franchise is rushing to employ her as a color commentator. She's been available for quite a while now, yet still no gig. Occam's razor, my friend.

You are jsut flat wrong on this one.

She isn't good, she is OUTSTANDING as an analyst, and is able to do it with wit and style too. I've always kind of felt sad for people who didn't get that. If you really know your stuff you should be nodding your head along with her more often than not.

Having boobs hasn't helped her cause, its held her back. Or at least potentially, since the good old boy, who you know and who's ass you kiss industry that is sports announcing doesn't come remotely close to promoting due to merit. But with women, its flat out sexism, either directly by the decisionmakers, or out of their concern that a bunch of insecure males won't be able to handle having a woman who knows more sports than they do calling a game. It wasn't until this year that we finally got a full breakthrough on that front, which is ridiculous, and more ridiculous in basketball, a sport that women play professionally (unlike say American football). Sports reporting remains one of the last great bastions of sexism in the workforce. Women get to be side line reporters, while the men go on TV and radio to explain it all to their pretty little heads. And yet by FAR the two best basketball analysts the Kings have had were Kara Lawson and Katy Christensen, and it hasn't been close. They really know the sport to a level that makes you perk up and listen.
 
Yeah, Kayte is sharp on the analysis. In the outside-the-Kings parts of the net, she's beloved as well. Obviously, guys like to look at her, but many are impressed by her commentary. Knew a Spurs fan that would watch Kings game just for her half-time analysis.
 
You are jsut flat wrong on this one.

She isn't good, she is OUTSTANDING as an analyst

No, I'm not wrong. About anything. I just have a different opinion than you. So do many others. There's a big difference.

The sexism angle is an easy excuse used for confirmation bias. Since you and a few others are so certain of your opinion, sexism just has to be the reason she's not where you believe she should be. The possibility that she's not quite as outstanding as you think simply can't be considered apparently.

I find her knowledge and on-screen persona to be passable; no more. You find it to be outstanding. The only truth is that we disagree. Outside of that, there's simply nothing that can quantify either of us being right or "flat wrong".
 
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You have been misled if you believe that something has to be proven "factually" in order to be wrong. Can hatred be proven "factually"?

Yes, actually it can. Through actions and words.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion; that does not mean that all opinions are equally valid.

Exactly right. And you should re-examine your opinion.

Actually, if you really want to take it there, if you want to invoke Occam's razor, the most likely explanation for why Kayte Christensen has never gotten a color job is sexism and/or the Glass Ceiling.

No, actually the most likely explanation is that she isn't qualified or talented enough to earn the position. Same logic is true in reverse. If a woman or minority has a coaching/media position, the most likely explanation is that they were qualified and talented enough to earn the position -- not because of affirmative action or some other conspiracy theory.
 
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