Could We Have Some Defense, Please

[Bricklayer]

No, I'm not wrong. About anything. I just have a different opinion than you. So do many others. There's a big difference.

The sexism angle is an easy excuse used for confirmation bias. Since you and a few others are so certain of your opinion, sexism just has to be the reason she's not where you believe she should be. The possibility that she's not quite as outstanding as you think simply can't be considered apparently.

I find her knowledge and on-screen persona to be passable; no more. You find it to be outstanding. The only true fact is that we disagree. Outside of that, there's simply nothing that can quantify either of us being right or "flat out wrong".

Actually there really is. You might not LIKE her. But if you don't see the outstanding analytical ability, its probably because you aren't equipped to recognize the difference. Sorry, but people either know their stuff or they don't. I have trouble telling good dog show analysts form bad ones as I don't know the field. I don't have that problem in basketball.

And the sexism "angle" as you call it is a flat fact too. You can't guarantee it is active in Katye's case, but you certainly can on an industrywide case, and she's part of the industry. Attempting to slime her with a "if she were so great she would get offered a color commentator spot" jab is pretty irrelevant when until this year nothing with ovaries had EVER been allowed such a spot by the society of aging men who dominate every single position of importance within it.

 

[KingsFanSince85]

Actually there really is. You might not LIKE her.

I don't dislike her at all. I've stated that several times. If she got a color gig tomorrow, it wouldn't bother me in the least. I'd be happy for her. But I still don't find her to be as insightful and knowledgeable as you do. My main contention is that she's never accomplished or done anything that deserves this public outcry. You guys sound like the crazed fans that rant and rave about how good the 10th, 11th, or 12th man on the bench would be if they got more PT. More often than not, the players buried deep on the bench are there because they aren't as good as those in front of them.

But if you don't see the outstanding analytical ability, its probably because you aren't equipped to recognize the difference. Sorry.

Now you're resorting to ad hominem.

I've been watching NBA games since the 70's. I've been involved in playing, coaching and teaching the sport for nearly as long. I may not be an expert, but I'm no less able to recognize those that know what they are talking about or bring something new to the table than you. I simply don't see anything extraordinary in her. She's merely passable, as I said before. Not bad. Not terrible. But certainly not outstanding or worthy of all this attention.

The "you aren't equipped" card is merely a crutch or excuse for you. Experts in their respective fields disagree all the time. Doctors, lawyers, scientists, talent scouts etc. When that happens, discrediting one of the parties in the same manner you've tried to do here is a cop out. We're obviously not considered experts, but the point remains.

And the sexism "angle" as you call it is a flat fact too. You can't guarantee it is active in Katy's case, but you certainly can on an industrywide case, and she's part of the industry. Attempting to slime her with a "if she were so great she would get offered a color commentator spot" jab is pretty irrelevant when until this year nothing with ovaries had EVER been allowed such a spot by the society of aging men who dominate every single position of importance within it.

I agree with you here. Sexism does exist. So does racism. So do a lot of ism's. But just because it exists doesn't mean it must be the answer in this case.

As I pointed out contrarily, affirmative action also exists. However, it would be naive to assume that a woman/minority in some position only got that position because of affirmative action.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Yes, actually it can. Through actions and words.



Exactly right. And you should re-examine your opinion.



No, actually the most likely explanation is that she isn't qualified or talented enough to earn the position. Same logic is true in reverse. If a woman or minority has a coaching/media position, the most likely explanation is that they were qualified and talented enough to earn the position -- not because of affirmative action or some other conspiracy theory.

This post is roughly seventy words worth of logic existence failure. Cheers.

 

[lawlman91]

For me, I am satisfied with who we have in Kayte, there's no need to change things when things aren't broke. Sure, if there's a top-notch, on-point-all-the-time person that is begging for the Kings job I'd take that person over Kayte for the sake of the viewers. But right now things are fine.

 

[Bricklayer]

For me, I am satisfied with who we have in Kayte, there's no need to change things when things aren't broke. Sure, if there's a top-notch, on-point-all-the-time person that is begging for the Kings job I'd take that person over Kayte for the sake of the viewers. But right now things are fine.

That's not exactly what we are talking about.

If I bought this franchise tomorrow, by Monday Kayte would be introduced as your new color commentator, and Jerry would be reduced to doing "Reynolds remembers" blurbs every night. And the fanbase would be a lot more informed because of it.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

We're tiptoeing that very dangerous line of not wanting to overreact while also not wanting to throw away another season.

At this point, I'm close to being ready to give karl the hook (provided we have someone else lined up).

i was ready after seeing a few games of stupid starting line up changes. i gotta say STUUUUUPPPPPPIIIIIDDDDD. hes pulling some keith smart bull****. tyreke at the 3? negate the advantage of his players? he needs to retire asap. hes just trying to pad his stats to get up 1000 wins. we need someone that the team respects and can rally for. i stopped watching the past few games. karl is supposedly an offensive genius but he's really misusing the guys. rudy at the 4?? how about rudy at the 2? and have him post up some smaller guards. thats a no brainer right there.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

There is no guarantee that a new head coach will "save" the season just like there's no guarantee that George Karl will figure this mess out soon and turn the team around and finish the season with an admirable record. The organization cannot risk another in-season coaching change. With that said I'll take my chances and have GC finish the entire season and let the chips fall where they may. Also, constantly changing the coaches isn't cheap. If GC needs to be removed do it when the season ends.

lmfao who cares if the new coach can save the season. at least he'll save the fans sanity. how many more games of this bullish can you take? if vivek gets the itchy finger and blows up the season by firing the HC. he better not be the one deciding who replaces him. can you imagine him bringing in mully as HC trying to replicate the dubs w/ a 1st year HC to win it all.

 

[Bricklayer]

lmfao who cares if the new coach can save the season. at least he'll save the fans sanity. how many more games of this bullish can you take? if vivek gets the itchy finger and blows up the season by firing the HC. he better not be the one deciding who replaces him. can you imagine him bringing in mully as HC trying to replicate the dubs w/ a 1st year HC to win it all.

Dumbass system or not, you may be underestimating the stability and potential of the current situation. We've been in virtually every game since our big meeting, even some of them without the one guy who makes us go. It could all go kablooey, and of course in Vivek you have a sincereley dumb and rash decisionmaker who could have a spasm of stupid at any moment. But its as much three games from really beginning to take off as it is 3 games from disaster, and few are going to make a move to tip those scales artificially.

 

[rainmaker]

I'd prefer Doug to Kayte as color analyst. Wouldn't complain about Kayte though, she's more than qualified.

I'd be down to have both, a three person team and boot Reynolds altogether.

 

[BamBam52]

Jerry sucks!!

 

[Warhawk]

Jerry sucks!!

I've always enjoyed listening to Jerry. Not that he provides a lot of info most of the time, but I like him. Doesn't mean it might not be time for someone else to do that job, though. Like most others here, I really like listening to/watching Doug and Kayte doing their stuff and wouldn't mind them taking on bigger roles.

 

[King Baller]

I am comfortable with Grant and Jerry in their current roles. The home spun Indiana country boy charm plays well for Jerry IMO. Like it or not Jerry is a bit of an institution for Kings Basketball. While Grant's radio show often gets turned off when he becomes too grating I like his TV play by play work. That said I am a big fan of both Kayte and Doug. I think all of them are making the Kings broadcasts some of the best sports viewing on TV. I also think Bobby is much improved as he has opened up his personality for the camera.

As for the discrimination angle I am not buying it at all. If we must go there Jerry has a few years on him and many seem to turn a blind eye to age discrimination.

GO KINGS!!!

 

[swisshh]

I just want to go over a comparison.

WCS and Kosta are replacing JT and Ryan Hollins.
Rajan Rondo is replacing Ramon Sessions.
Marco is replacing Marcus Thonton.

The defensive dropoff between these rosters shouldn't be this huge.

 

[kingsboi]

I just want to go over a comparison.

WCS and Kosta are replacing JT and Ryan Hollins.
Rajan Rondo is replacing Ramon Sessions.
Marco is replacing Marcus Thonton.

The defensive dropoff between these rosters shouldn't be this huge.

When offense and pace is your number one priority as a team....the team won't buy in. It's either the schemes or the lack of drilling it in the players head that results in what you see out there. Playing defense takes effort and energy...if they did that, they wouldn't have the energy and speed to play Karl pace basketball....therefore, minimal to no defensive effort is involved.

 

[PurpleHaze]

BJax just blamed Kings loss on too much turkey and dressing after mentioning scored ZERO fast break points. Seems he just might have a point.

 

[SacTownKid]

That lineup of changed players should indicate that the problems the Kings face defensively run much deeper and involves a flawed ideology rather than just flawed personnel

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

BJax just blamed Kings loss on too much turkey and dressing after mentioning scored ZERO fast break points. Seems he just might have a point.

I think Bobby Jackson might have had too much turkey: we allowed zero fast break points.

 

[Bricklayer]

And so so much for staying on track -- have to beat Golden State tommorow to stay on my by Jan. 7 .500 pace.

 

[SacTownKid]

Oh and to answer the original question:

No, we can't.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

This man cares not for your requests of Defense

 

[alonshin]

And so so much for staying on track -- have to beat Golden State tommorow to stay on my by Jan. 7 .500 pace.

I believe we will

 

[Iced Espresso]

That's not exactly what we are talking about.

If I bought this franchise tomorrow, by Monday Kayte would be introduced as your new color commentator, and Jerry would be reduced to doing "Reynolds remembers" blurbs every night. And the fanbase would be a lot more informed because of it.

I dunno Brick, when I listen to Jerry I hear a guy who has been here through day 1. Can reference things he's seen from 50+ years ago.

He's like the Sacramento version of Harry Caray.

Kayte is ok I guess.

Now if you want to talk about someone who kinda sucked I'd go back to guys like Kozimor.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I dunno Brick, when I listen to Jerry I hear a guy who has been here through day 1. Can reference things he's seen from 50+ years ago.

He's like the Sacramento version of Harry Caray.

It takes a particularly provincial point of view to consider this to be a net positive.

 

[theclash4u5]

I think Bobby Jackson might have had too much turkey: we allowed zero fast break points.

Yeah, we had one after one of the very first baskets of the game. Guess Bobby knew what was coming and tuned it out.

 

[SacTownKid]

Color commentators should be entertaining, Jerry is just that. Kayte is a bit bland in her delivery which IMO makes her perfect for her role with the team as is. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

[gunks]

Well.....

We DID hold a team under 108 tonight.

 

[Iced Espresso]

It takes a particularly provincial point of view to consider this to be a net positive.

Jerry will always be part of the Sacramento family to me. The day he retires will be a sad time for me. Maybe 30 years of having him around grew on me. And I find Jerry hilarious and balanced by Grant.

I get annoyed with Grant sometimes on the radio, but I like him on the sidelines with Jerry for TV.

 

[Bricklayer]

I dunno Brick, when I listen to Jerry I hear a guy who has been here through day 1. Can reference things he's seen from 50+ years ago.

He's like the Sacramento version of Harry Caray.

Kayte is ok I guess.

Now if you want to talk about someone who kinda sucked I'd go back to guys like Kozimor.

Being a longterm dumbass doesn't actually gain you many chits in my game.

But enough that I legitimately would not completely fire him. Too much history. The chuckles the hick bit is funny as comic relief. Does not mean his limited, entirely offensively oriented and homeristic game calling needs to be tolerated any longer. Jerry Reynolds has made the Kings fanbase stupider by miseducating them.

Now after listening to Christie, who is so exuberantly loud and happy it grates, join Grant and Jerry as a 3rd, and more or less shove Jerry entirely to the side, who knows, maybe that would have worked too. Either way, Jerry can only be your "color" not your analyst.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Color commentators should be entertaining, Jerry is just that.

I don't think that we're working from the same definition of "entertaining."