Chuck Hayes injury - the sequel
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I dislocated my shoulder and broke part of the humorous that sinks into the shoulder joint and it was just like Chuck, the way he was pretty much motionless on the ground. It was amazing pain and unfortunately it took me several hours to get it reset (I was knocked out twice, the first time failed, and I was on dilaudid - synthetic morphine that is stronger than the real thing - and it had virtually no effect) I wasn't allowed to do anything for a month and then 3 or 4 months of rehab and I still sleep funny 2.5 years later. Hopefully being a pro athlete he will recover much better and hopefully he has no ligament or bone damage, but these things suck and once they are out they are more likely to come out again.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
The real oddities were that it wasn't that big of a hit, and the hit was on his RIGHT shoulder while he appeared to have dislocated his left?
In any case this could be anything from just a few weeks to months. I remember CWebb missed nearly an entire season with a dislocated shoulder before he arrived in Kingsland.
In any case this could be anything from just a few weeks to months. I remember CWebb missed nearly an entire season with a dislocated shoulder before he arrived in Kingsland.
Glenn
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Aha, someone else noticed that. I'll wait for more reports as this was quite odd.
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LWP777
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Maybe it's time to bring back Whiteside and give him a few minutes?
ElRey
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yeah we need that extra frontcourt player. Give him some experience. and perhaps teach him how to catch some passes.
when it comes to kings front court players' inability to catch passes, whiteside ain't exactly alone.
Sac.1989
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He may be able to come back with just rehab but the shoulder will never be the same. It is the most unstable joint in the body and once you dislocate it, it rarely as strong. I did a similar injury and rehabed for 6 weeks coming back only to redislocate it twice there after, my only option was to go under the knife. In many sports they seldom wait to have surgery once dislocated unless teams are close to the finals. The medical staff and management will make the right call as surgery and the following recovery could put him out for the greater part of the season. If they do choose to opt for physio rehab i full well expect that surgery would be undertaken in the offseason
ParniValjak
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Done it playing Aussie rules or rugby?!
Its a reasonably common injury in aussie rules and in 99% of the cases it ends up in a shoulder reconstruction where they "tighten" the joint so its stronger. The problem with that is that it takes away the flexibility of the joints and player cannot raise their hands above their heads which obviously for sports like aussie rules and basketball is a problem. If they don't tighten the joint enough, it will pop out again. Either way the shoulder is never the same again.
A full reconstruction generally takes 6-12 months for a person to fully recover and its much more painful that any other "reco" surgery.
Rockets fan here ... FYI, Chuck Hayes has had issues with that shoulder multiple times in the past. This might have been more severe than before, but he usually recovered from it very fast.
Read this:
http://www.chron.com/sports/rockets/article/Q-A-Talking-health-with-Chuck-Hayes-1728299.php
Read this:
http://www.chron.com/sports/rockets/article/Q-A-Talking-health-with-Chuck-Hayes-1728299.php
ElRey
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Jason Thompson?
IfAt1st
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I found that injury to be bizarre, also - there was NO impact on the left shoulder on that play - VERY worrisome if Chuck's shoulder can dislocate when it's not even impacted......
Either way, this jump-starts the obvious need to find a replacement big man for this roster. With DMC's (and JT's) fouling proclivities, they NEED to pick up an extra body from somewhere (and as much as I'd like it to be Whiteside, he hasn't shown any evidence remotely suggesting he's ready for the NBA).
Either way, this jump-starts the obvious need to find a replacement big man for this roster. With DMC's (and JT's) fouling proclivities, they NEED to pick up an extra body from somewhere (and as much as I'd like it to be Whiteside, he hasn't shown any evidence remotely suggesting he's ready for the NBA).
Fear the Putin
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you never know
I have a theory that there is an unexplained phantom force that preys on the enormous bodies of NBA players
How else can you explain this?
....and no, I am by no means even slightly suggesting that Hayes flopped
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If its a recurring injury that is actually good in this case since odds are any limitations it will cause in the future were already there and also that it was just the dislocation and no tissue damage.
I too have the most problems when it comes to getting my hands over my head. Also when lifting heavy objects above waist level. I've done a lot of stretching and small weight work in the last 6 months or so that I hadn't done since the initial rehab and it seems to be helping a bit but the dull pain is always there and the effort it takes to move the last few degrees is intense.
Incidentally I landed pretty hard on my shoulder diving for homeplate in a kickball game when I hurt myself but it was nothing I hadn't done thousands of times before with no ill effect whatsoever. That little psychological side effect as a result is the worst part for me, especially since I play first base and my left shoulder is out there exposed on every play.
I too have the most problems when it comes to getting my hands over my head. Also when lifting heavy objects above waist level. I've done a lot of stretching and small weight work in the last 6 months or so that I hadn't done since the initial rehab and it seems to be helping a bit but the dull pain is always there and the effort it takes to move the last few degrees is intense.
Incidentally I landed pretty hard on my shoulder diving for homeplate in a kickball game when I hurt myself but it was nothing I hadn't done thousands of times before with no ill effect whatsoever. That little psychological side effect as a result is the worst part for me, especially since I play first base and my left shoulder is out there exposed on every play.
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MassachusettsKingsFan
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Is Keith Smart REALLY wants to impress he, he will start Jason Thompson. We'll see which way he goes, but that's what I would do.
And its not just a JT over Hickson thing. Its just what makes sense. If Cousins was hurt, I'd start Hickson. But Hayes went down, and I think JT is the best replacement for what Hayes brings.
And its not just a JT over Hickson thing. Its just what makes sense. If Cousins was hurt, I'd start Hickson. But Hayes went down, and I think JT is the best replacement for what Hayes brings.
King Baller
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Here's to Chuck Hayes healing completely in a short time. This team needs your leadership!
KB
PS I would start JT also and have JJ come in as the first Big off the bench.
KB
PS I would start JT also and have JJ come in as the first Big off the bench.
Not sure if we should be getting a shoulder specialist involved for re-evaluation but... looks like he'll be missing 3 to 4 weeks of action.
http://www.nba.com/kings/news/hayes_press_release_2012_01_06.html
http://www.nba.com/kings/news/hayes_press_release_2012_01_06.html
That sounds about right if he does not require rehab.
PurpleHaze
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I bet Chuck is back in action before end of January, maybe only gone about 3 wks. He's extremely tough, has had this type injury before going back to his H.S. football playing days, usually bouncing back sooner than expected.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
If that shoulder has popped out before it might explain why it did so so easily this time. Would also speed up the potential return as its usually less damaging after the first time. Don't want to rush it and reinjure it though. We've still got three quality bigs even without him.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Some people can deliberately pop their shoulder out and back with a little pain but not horrible. Not saying this is what he did but he was NOT hit in that shoulder so the ligaments tissue must be very loose. This is not good and I suspect we will see it happen again but at least it's not a perfectly healthy shoulder that was blasted out of place. That would be more of problem in the short term.
As a side note, when I was a Navy doctor, I saw guys who could pop their shoulder out at will. They would enlist and when they found that being a Marine was not as glamorous or even remotely as fun as they had hoped, would show up in the ER with a dislocated shoulder and get discharged for medical reasons. When you enlist, you are stuck for the term of your enlistment unless you get discharged honorably or dishonorably. You can't just quit as it is with most jobs. This would be an honorable discharge. Same happened for a few other conditions.
As a side note, when I was a Navy doctor, I saw guys who could pop their shoulder out at will. They would enlist and when they found that being a Marine was not as glamorous or even remotely as fun as they had hoped, would show up in the ER with a dislocated shoulder and get discharged for medical reasons. When you enlist, you are stuck for the term of your enlistment unless you get discharged honorably or dishonorably. You can't just quit as it is with most jobs. This would be an honorable discharge. Same happened for a few other conditions.
kennadog
Dog On It!
Sending positive thoughts for quick healing for Hayes.
If my dad were still alive, he'd be 88 years old now. He was born and grew up in Canada. He was a good athlete and, naturally, played hockey. He never talked much about his youth, but I remember him telling me this. If you dislocated a shoulder playing hockey, they'd take you into the lockerroom and put you down on the floor on your back. Then someone would put a foot against your body, near the dislocated shoulder, grab your hand and jerk it back into place in one quick, hard, jerk.
He went through it at least once, because he said the instant relief from the pain was wonderful. Obviously that wouldn't fly today and they probably didn't care back then, if it caused you long term problems.
As an aside, my father was quite an excellent amateur figure skater, too. Skated in competitions. I loved to watch him on the ice, when I was a little girl. He didn't skate much later on.
If my dad were still alive, he'd be 88 years old now. He was born and grew up in Canada. He was a good athlete and, naturally, played hockey. He never talked much about his youth, but I remember him telling me this. If you dislocated a shoulder playing hockey, they'd take you into the lockerroom and put you down on the floor on your back. Then someone would put a foot against your body, near the dislocated shoulder, grab your hand and jerk it back into place in one quick, hard, jerk.
He went through it at least once, because he said the instant relief from the pain was wonderful. Obviously that wouldn't fly today and they probably didn't care back then, if it caused you long term problems.
As an aside, my father was quite an excellent amateur figure skater, too. Skated in competitions. I loved to watch him on the ice, when I was a little girl. He didn't skate much later on.
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ParniValjak
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Our frontcourt depth is not that bad but take Hayes out and our already struggling defense becomes a lot worse! At least we get some size down there now on a more consistent basis!
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I was begging to have my arm popped back in but nobody knew how to do it. Finally someone came saying their mom was a nurse and he knew how to do it but I got scared. Which was the right call thanks to the small fracture and the difficulty the docs had in getting it reset. But yeah the moment it was done the pain went from 10+ to about a 2 or 3.
bajaden
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Hey, your dad and I had something in common. Not the shoulder thing, ouch! But I skated in competition as well. Wasn't all that good by competition standards though. My highest finish was fourth. It was a lot of fun though.
kennadog
Dog On It!
He had some trophies, but his second wife got them when he died. He skated for an amateur club in Ottawa. I do know that they paired him with Barbara Ann Scott for a bit as a pair. Maybe you know of her?
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