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Chris, we hardly knew you

The departure of the great man of contradiction allows the Kings an opportunity to build a more cohesive unit

By Mark Kreidler -- Bee Columnist
Published 2:15 am PST Sunday, March 27, 2005

They won't know what to do with Chris Webber around Arco Arena on Monday night, but, really, when did they? When was the last time the thought of Webber, erstwhile King of Kings, produced a single, clear image?

Nope, it's just not that clean anymore. There is nothing about Webber's tenure in Sacramento that evokes one solitary emotion. And unless some truly amazing revisionist history someday takes root, there never will be.

Webber was the man who often professed his love for the city, yet he vaguely insulted and threatened to leave it from time to time - once for so much as troubling him over a traffic ticket.

Webber was the guy who adored playing with his teammates, yet he managed to group-slime them - including beloved, fan-friendly teddy bear Vlade Divac - with his parting-shot words of frustration after last year's playoff elimination.

Webber was the man who used Divac's subsequent departure from Sacramento as an opportunity to declare the Kings "my team," yet, by the accounts of several of his teammates, he grew more quiet and distant as this up-and-down season chugged along.

And, significantly, Webber was the player upon whom the Maloof family and the franchise built their success - only to become the player whom they feared might finally prove their undoing.

What can you say? Among his many attributes, the most striking, for Chris Webber, may well be his sense of direction: Pretty much every which way at once.

So it remains. As Webber returns Monday night to the floor of the building that he and Divac and Jason Williams first made truly famous, even the circumstances surrounding his stunning trade to the Philadelphia 76ers last month are cloaked in contradiction.

To hear some in the organization tell it, Webber's departure was an occasion for unbridled glee around the executive suites, where the folks in charge had almost assumed that his massive contract (with three years and $66 million remaining), declining efficiency and high-maintenance persona would prevent the post-surgical power forward from ever being dealt.

Even team owner Joe Maloof, who repeatedly praised Webber's contributions to the team and the community in an interview last week, won't look back on the subject of the trade.

"What this gave us was more flexibility on the court and more flexibility regarding our salaries," Maloof said. "Anytime you have a player making $20 million, $22 million (per year), that's a huge, huge commitment. And if you look at our team, it's a young team now - a young, athletic team."

By the time of his dispatch, Webber no longer fit the model. He wasn't practicing. He often left coach Rick Adelman and his assistants wondering until the final hour before game time whether his knee would allow him to play. On the court, he improved his mid-range jumper and his free-throw percentage, but he was bizarrely transforming himself into a sort of swingman trapped in a 6-10 forward's body. He required the ball more and more, and farther and farther outside the lane, in order to maintain his standing as a double-double regular.

"The fear was basically this: You don't trade him, this franchise is going back to the old days," said one source within the organization. "A huge contract for an injured player would be holding us back, and we wouldn't be able to keep up" in the ever-competitive Western Conference.

For Kings fans of a certain age, that kind of talk evokes memories of Ralph Sampson's corroded knee joints and the concurrent salary constraints that effectively prevented the franchise from even attempting to make outside moves and get better in the early '90s.

Of course, that was before Geoff Petrie arrived, revamped the way the Kings did business with regard to personnel, hired Adelman and installed the holy triumvirate of the New Age - Webber, Williams and Divac.

And, let's be clear, Webber was no Ralph Sampson. He was an athletic, up-tempo, full-court force whose best years were enough to propel Sacramento to the brink of the NBA Finals - and to affix him as a superstar in the minds of some of his close teammates.

"I would have Webb on my team any day. Any day," guard Bobby Jackson said last week, Jackson himself still healing from a wrist injury. "You can't teach toughness, you can't teach heart, and you can't teach competitiveness - and those are three things he has."

But wait: Wasn't Jackson one of the players most offended by Webber's comments about the Kings lacking desire and toughness last season, offended to the point of confronting Webber and demanding to know whether the forward was talking about him?

"Oh, of course," Jackson replied, matter-of-factly.

And that's your Webber update: Contradictory to the end.

At the finish, it was a great confluence of events that sent Webber to Philadelphia and brought Kenny Thomas, Corliss Williamson and Brian Skinner to the Kings - the second-biggest trade in the new history of the franchise, the biggest being the 1998 deal that brought Webber here in the first place.

This confluence included a sobering look at the numbers, which showed unmistakably that the Webber who returned from his devastating May 2003 knee injury had slowly but surely become the least efficient player among the Kings' regulars, the person who needed the most touches and the most shots to get his numbers.

"For the first time, the game got hard for Chris," said a Western Conference executive. "He used to be able to get 25 (points) and 12 (rebounds) without really trying. But he's not that player anymore, and that's a tough reality for any athlete."

The confluence included a weird behind-the-scenes vibe - Webber pretending to leadership he simply did not possess in the Kings' versatile, different-star-

every-day system - and some very practical concerns, chief among them the fact that, according to several sources, Webber had actually practiced with the team only three or four times all season.

"His knee wouldn't let him," Jackson said. "He knows he can't move laterally, can't guard as well, can't run, can't jump as much. You can't go 100 percent all the time on a bad knee. He had to pick his spots."

The confluence included game video, early-season copies of which showed Webber getting decimated on defense by the fleet forwards of Phoenix and Seattle - of themselves, newer versions of the player Webber used to be. One coach estimated that half of Brad Miller's fouls were the result of "him having to switch over after Chris lost his man."

"It's something I told Joe and Gavin (Maloof) over the years, because they were so focused on beating the Lakers: Other teams can get better, too," Petrie said recently. "You're seeing that now up and down the conference with teams like Seattle and Phoenix."

It included the Peja question, though not in the way most people wanted to pose it. Away from the court, by almost every account, Webber and Peja Stojakovic had forged a fairly easy relationship after last summer's strain. On it, it was clear Stojakovic no longer trusted Webber to get him the ball for open looks. In the end, Petrie chose his younger scorer over his older one.

And the confluence, of course, included the 76ers, one of the only teams in the NBA with the interest and the wherewithal to pull off a Webber trade - and maybe the only organization either brazen or nutty enough to actually go for it.

The Maloofs overpaid dramatically when they signed Webber to a $123 million contract in 2001 ("We were young in our ownership and felt we needed to show the community that we were committed to bringing a title," Joe says), one reason so many Kings front-office members were shocked by Philadelphia's willingness to take it on. To say the least, Philly's offer, which came about very quickly and with very little notice, left people thunderstruck at Arco.

Still, by the time the offer was made, according to several people within the Kings' organization, Petrie and Adelman already had discussed a range of possibilities with regard to Webber - and Adelman had grown accustomed to the idea of life without the forward through whom (along with Divac and Miller) so much of his offensive system had flowed over the years. He also confided to Petrie that he liked the players coming back from the Sixers, the kinds of athletes who often find a fit with Adelman's open approach.

Lambasted nationally at the time it was made, the trade was considered a no-brainer within the Kings' offices. Any team willing to take on Webber's salary represented a chance for Petrie and the Maloofs to reload financially.

One member of the staff on the road with the team remembers hunkering down in a cafe in Dallas the day of the trade, constantly making phone calls to see if it was done - fearing that there might be a league hurdle or that Philly would reconsider.

At the same time, Adelman was calling Webber to his hotel room in order to put him on the phone with Petrie, who needed Webber to sign off on a league document and allow the trade to go through. It fell to Adelman to tell Webber why the phone call was coming.

It is said that Webber took the news gracefully. Webber took out a huge advertisement in the paper to thank the Sacramento area fans for his time in town. He'll be cheered for that on Monday night at Arco Arena, as he should be, and cheered for the years of making the Kings a franchise worth watching. And here's the other thing: Chris Webber may just have given Sacramento a future by becoming a part of its past. Contradictory, perhaps. And it fits.
 
I totally agree, I'm surprised they didn't call him a one legged player like so many people have. Could have found much nicer things to say.They made it sound like he didn't like Sac. or his teammates and we know that isn't true.
 
yeah, i don't think the way that article was presented was very good, but bobby jackson's comments are a pretty good indicator of how a lot of people, myself included, felt about webb- they love his presence, what he brings to the team and everything he's done for us, but he has a lot of baggage and downside, too. it's one thing to say this trade may help for the future, but this article really discredits what webber has been doing this year. he's still a great player, and i'd love to see him play out his contract in sac even at the cost of not being a title favorite for another five years.
 
Was the article trying to send a message to CWebb that we really don't want you, from owner, coach, GM, players, etc..? The part "One member of the staff on the road with the team remembers hunkering down in a cafe in Dallas the day of the trade, constantly making phone calls to see if it was done - fearing that there might be a league hurdle or that Philly would reconsider." makes me feel sick.
 
funsc said:
Was the article trying to send a message to CWebb that we really don't want you, from owner, coach, GM, players, etc..? The part "One member of the staff on the road with the team remembers hunkering down in a cafe in Dallas the day of the trade, constantly making phone calls to see if it was done - fearing that there might be a league hurdle or that Philly would reconsider." makes me feel sick.

No, it was just one writer furthering his own point of view. He picks a polarized opinion, goes out to find facts and people that will support it, and discards the rest. I'm sure if some writer cared to defend Chris, they could find just as many and probably more sources that are favorable. They could also probably get better soundbytes from the same sources this writer used by asking a different set of questions (i.e. the kind not targeted towards an already formed opinion). Of course, it's not that popular in journalism to try and prop up a guy with baggage. It's much easier to kick him while he's down (and gone).

It works both ways of course. A journalist who is on a mission (suspend disbelief here) to compliment Webber would do something like cut out Bobby Jackson's second quote. Kind of like how Michael Moore cut out the fact that the senator he interviewed about sending his own children to Iraq actually had a son there and nephews too. (not trying to go on a political hijack, was a useful example)
 
LMM said:
Webber was the man who often professed his love for the city, yet he vaguely insulted and threatened to leave it from time to time - once for so much as troubling him over a traffic ticket. [\QUOTE]

God, when are people going to let this go!?! when was the last time Chris even implied he didn't want to be in SAC? what? 3,maybe 4 years ago?!? Since, he has said nothing but how much he loved being there. What's so contradictory about a person changing his mind!?!?


Webber was the man who used Divac's subsequent departure from Sacramento as an opportunity to declare the Kings "my team," yet, by the accounts of several of his teammates, he grew more quiet and distant as this up-and-down season chugged along.

This just proves how contradictory the media can be(oh, the irony). Before Chris was able to play a minute of ball coming back from the surgery, the press was already asking PEJA if it were gonna be his or chris' team. Peja said Chris. There was NO mention of vlade by anyone BUT chris. So obviously the team was already his....well, it was whenever the media wanted to blame something on him.:rolleyes:
 
funsc said:
Was the article trying to send a message to CWebb that we really don't want you, from owner, coach, GM, players, etc..? The part "One member of the staff on the road with the team remembers hunkering down in a cafe in Dallas the day of the trade, constantly making phone calls to see if it was done - fearing that there might be a league hurdle or that Philly would reconsider." makes me feel sick.

thanks for the article

It seems to me that all the SacBee writers are way too negative. I enjoy reading Marty but other than him, everyone seems to be entirely too negative about the team, both past and present. I would love to read an article about all the good Webb did for this franchise without having to go through all the backhanded compliments that degrade him as a person/player.
 
This article is just like Webber - there's stuff you'll like and stuff you're not real happy with. It is, IMHO, one of the most comprehensive articles about Webb that I've seen published and it's pretty clear Kreidler doesn't have a hidden agenda.

I think Kreidler captured the true paradox of Chris Webber. As someone who really loved what Chris brought to the Kings and hated to see him go, I cannot fault the writer for simply putting the facts out there for us to digest.

For those who think it's too negative, I have to ask why... If you only want to read good things about Webber, you're just as one-sided as Ailene Voisin, who only wanted to print the bad stuff.

Chris Webber wasn't perfect. He was a great player and he (along with Jason and Vlade) started this franchise on a trip it never would have made without him. That doesn't mean we have to make him a saint; he had problems and I think Kreidler has done a pretty good job of telling his story. Note that he didn't make judgments.

I think this is one of the best articles I've seen and I have no problem with it whatsoever. In fact, if you look, it puts to rest a lot of demons and makes it pretty clear the decision to trade Chris was primarily financial with considerations towards his knee AND not because the Maloofs wanted to choose Peja over Webber.

"What this gave us was more flexibility on the court and more flexibility regarding our salaries," Maloof said. "Anytime you have a player making $20 million, $22 million (per year), that's a huge, huge commitment. And if you look at our team, it's a young team now - a young, athletic team."

And...

"His knee wouldn't let him," Jackson said. "He knows he can't move laterally, can't guard as well, can't run, can't jump as much. You can't go 100 percent all the time on a bad knee. He had to pick his spots."

And...

"I would have Webb on my team any day. Any day," guard Bobby Jackson said last week, Jackson himself still healing from a wrist injury. "You can't teach toughness, you can't teach heart, and you can't teach competitiveness - and those are three things he has."

The whole article says this wasn't an easy trade. It was, much like Webber himself, something that couldn't be easily put into a convenient box.

I thank Mark Kreidler because he obviously did his homework for this piece and didn't just make vague innuendoes and behind-the-back jabs.
 
Just_Lurkin said:
God, when are people going to let this go!?! when was the last time Chris even implied he didn't want to be in SAC? what? 3,maybe 4 years ago?!? Since, he has said nothing but how much he loved being there. What's so contradictory about a person changing his mind!?!?

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4624621/

Report: Booing has Webber thinking trade
Kings star might want out of Sacramento over treatment
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]NBCSports.com news services[/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Updated: 2:21 a.m. ET March 30, 2004[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Chris Webber said he is so surprised, hurt and angry at the booing he has received from Sacramento Kings fans that the team's five-time All-Star and co-captain might request a trade after the season is over if the beratement continues, the Sacramento Bee reported Monday.[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Webber was booed in two games recently after returning to the lineup from a serious knee injury. He was booed on March 9, when he missed 19 of 21 shots, and again on March 21, when he made only 4 of 18 field-goal attempts.[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Following the latest assault by the boobirds, Webber told reporters, that "it definitely changes my focus, my outlook," the Bee said. "I'm very disappointed. And I'm shocked.[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"I feel more disappointed," Webber added. "It actually hurts. It's more than betrayed." [/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Bee cited sources as saying that Webber has considered discussing the matter with owners Joe and Gavin Maloof or president of basketball operations Geoff Petrie in the summer.
[/font]
 
In all fairness to Webber, those comments were made in the heat of the moment so to speak. The guy is gone. I certainly hope he is treated well tomorrow night and I hope at some point people can quit either attempting to crucify him OR canonize him.

What difference does it make now when he said something, what the rationale was behind it, etc?
 
When I read Mark's article, and before I read anyone's comments, all I could think was that it was an excellent way to show the complexity of Chris Webber. It reminded me that so many fans were (and are) either love him or hate him.

Chris Webber was probably (at his best) one of my favorite basketball players. It broke my heart to see him go down and then require surgery that ended so many others' careers.

But, then I was so proud of Chris for how hard he worked to come back. And, he did come back. He will never be the player he once was though. And, because of injury and aging and money it was time for the Maloofs to move on. That saddens my heart, even though my brain knows it was the right move.

Mark did a great job. CWebb has always been contradictory. It is why so many people found issue with him. Some loved him and some hated him and that alone exemplifies the contradictory nature of CWebb.
 
for me, it felt negative cause of the new things he has brought up. bobby confronting him? i haven't heard about that. last time i checked the media was assuming the comments were for peja and vlade, not bobby.

and the leadership thing. he's kinda implying that webb was all-talk in that he wants to be a leader. is that true? well, maybe it is. i thought all along that webb was stepping up and being the leader on and off the court. now, he tells us that webb wasn't the leader he was saying he was gonna be when all this time i felt that he was.
 
That's the point, LMM. The media made a LOT of assumptions. Kriedler put at least some of them to rest with actual quotes from the players.

And he's not implying that Webber was all talk. All he said was:

Webber was the man who used Divac's subsequent departure from Sacramento as an opportunity to declare the Kings "my team," yet, by the accounts of several of his teammates, he grew more quiet and distant as this up-and-down season chugged along.

That doesn't say ON THE COURT, where it was obvious every game that Webber was doing everything he could to lead. If he did, in fact, grow more quiet and distant, who could blame him? Could you stand up to the types of rumors, criticisms, blatant hate pieces, etc. that were constantly being leveled in his direction?

Chris Webber was putting everything he had on the court for the team. I don't think anyone can deny that. If he didn't have what he used to have, it wasn't for lack of desire or trying.

He WANTED the Kings to win it all. I think he may have been realizing that it just might not happen.

Once again, even after he's gone, the questions remain and some will never be answered.

Kreider likes and admires Chris Webber. He hasn't done a hatchet job on him. He's simply put the facts out there for all the fans to read and discuss...and we will.
 
I wasn't impressed with Mark this time. Think "a source inside"ism is infectious and is wearing off on him. Felt very MUCH like an article with an agenda, and not one I particularly appreciate. So Mark, if you're out there, BOO! and shame on you. You don't have to be that way, no matter what the pressures are at the capitol's wonderful newspaper.
 
For the most part the article was fair, but there was a negative tinge to it. I wonder if the Kings organization sent out memos on talking points. It seems since the trade, things like how he hardly ever practiced and waited till game time to decide whether he would play, started to be rounded about.

The second Jackson quote looked out of place. It wasn't a direct response to a question- it was there to reinforce the writers point. And why the questioning of his leadership, when the team all year looked like they were solidly behind him.

Seriously, people are reaching when they continue to drudge up the issue of his signing in 01’ and how they feel he was overpaid. That right there is the biggest contradiction in Sacramento, if there ever was one.
 
VF21 said:
That's the point, LMM. The media made a LOT of assumptions. Kriedler put at least some of them to rest with actual quotes from the players.

And he's not implying that Webber was all talk. All he said was:

That doesn't say ON THE COURT, where it was obvious every game that Webber was doing everything he could to lead. If he did, in fact, grow more quiet and distant, who could blame him? Could you stand up to the types of rumors, criticisms, blatant hate pieces, etc. that were constantly being leveled in his direction?

Chris Webber was putting everything he had on the court for the team. I don't think anyone can deny that. If he didn't have what he used to have, it wasn't for lack of desire or trying.

He WANTED the Kings to win it all. I think he may have been realizing that it just might not happen.

Once again, even after he's gone, the questions remain and some will never be answered.

Kreider likes and admires Chris Webber. He hasn't done a hatchet job on him. He's simply put the facts out there for all the fans to read and discuss...and we will.

fair enough. i agree with all you said in regards to his on-court persona. he definitely wanted to lead the team win. i was just confused on that "he grew more quiet and distant" thing. that's why i thought he was implying that webb didn't really lead off the court (was he really implying this?). that was a contradiction to the "he proclaimed it my team" statement.

i definitely agree that he hasn't done a hatchet job. i think his information is good. i just don't like the overall mood and feel of the article. it's like the stuff webb has done always had a negative twist with it, with the contradictions and everything. i know that was the point of the article (to point out the contradictions). he definitely did a good job. it doesn't mean i like it, though.:o
 
Jim Kozimor is the only guy on Radio who shows some class on this issue. We appreciate what Webber did for the Franchise and not hold unneeded hostility. There's no point in blasting the guy as soon as he leaves town which is what Grant Napear and Mike Lamb.
 
As someone stated earlier, I developed alot of respect for Webber due the how hard he rehabbed to get back onto the court after the knee injury. One of the things that stands out in my mind is how tough and he well he played in the playoffs last year. He even went inside at times and really made KG work. CWebb really left it all on the court. Even the 3 he missed at the end of game 7 kind of showed how well he was playing, how much he wanted to win. Unlike in year's past, he was willing to take the most important shot; he was never a 3 point shooter, but the ball practically rimmed in before bouncing out. He went down as a warrior. I know Bibby, Miller, and the new guys will give it their all in the playoffs, hopefully #16 can do the same for once this year.
 
LMM said:
fair enough. i agree with all you said in regards to his on-court persona. he definitely wanted to lead the team win. i was just confused on that "he grew more quiet and distant" thing. that's why i thought he was implying that webb didn't really lead off the court (was he really implying this?). that was a contradiction to the "he proclaimed it my team" statement.

i definitely agree that he hasn't done a hatchet job. i think his information is good. i just don't like the overall mood and feel of the article. it's like the stuff webb has done always had a negative twist with it, with the contradictions and everything. i know that was the point of the article (to point out the contradictions). he definitely did a good job. it doesn't mean i like it, though.:o

I've read it three times now. And I see what you're talking about. When I read it the first time, I took it to be a way of pointing out the paradox of Chris Webber. The second and third time, though, I realized there was a lot of the negative and VERY LITTLE of the positive. So, on further review, I have to modify my comments somewhat. I don't think Kreidler balanced the scale to truly reflect the paradox. If that was indeed what he was striving for, I think parts of his story must have been left out...

Thanks for giving me a reason to go back and read it again...and again.

;)
 
I thought it was a little on the neg. side too.I gotta say watching 76ers/lakers game today,Webber just doesn't look right in that uniform,but he is still one georgous man:D
 
SIR HENRY 8 said:
I thought it was a little on the neg. side too.I gotta say watching 76ers/lakers game today,Webber just doesn't look right in that uniform,but he is still one georgous man:D

Ah, ha!! Mrs SIR HENRY is playing on the computer again. :p
 
I agree with the minority on this board with respect to this article...I thought it was a great article and I don't think that MK has a hidden agenda with Webb. He was just telling a story from an objective viewpoint.
 
I liked the article, it may have had an agenda but if so, it was clearly MUCH more subtle than any other write on the Bee Sports staff is capable of. I can't say enough about Mark Kriedler as a sports columnist. Bill Simmons of ESPN.com and he are far and away the best two sports columnists running around out there today. I thought this article was pretty fair to Chris and very well researched.

Although it did leave a little bit of a weird taste in your mouth I think that was his intent; not to detract from Chris the person, or the player, but to express the frustration I think we all feel in the situation that Chris had to be hurt instead of perhaps leading this unit to several titles. Seeing him go really was the closing of a chapter which had a lot of ups and downs and I think he captured that sense, and the feelings I had after I stopped being so livid about the trade.

(sorry, I really should spell check these before I post them)
 
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Very good article in my opinion. Looking back at the whole deal it looks like the trade was a no brainer from an organizational standpoint.
 
I really appreciate what Webb did for our team and community. I think he played his azz off to the best of his abilities and I'm proud that was a KING. He's far from perfect, but it was a fun ride with him, Vlade and Doug (not to mention John, Jason, Hedo, Scott and the gang) to say the least. :)
 
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