Carmelo Anthony
- Thread starter AleksandarN
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Yes I'd trade for Melo if it meant we'd get a future first round pick. We have the cap space to absorb his deal and we can then organize a buy out if he doesn't want to play here. Though I think we could use him for a year as a go to scoring option, but whether we'd want Melo around our young core is debatable.
You're ok with a pick in the 20's in a few years? I mean that's fine if so. I don't really like it, unless a better pick becomes available from another team. Just don't like a strategic move to use $18 million for a future late first round pick and also limiting any other opportunities that may arise between now and the trade deadline.
There was even a rumor about Memphis willing to give up their #4 pick to take on Chandler Parsons.
There was even a rumor about Memphis willing to give up their #4 pick to take on Chandler Parsons.
So what would you be happy with if the Kings used their cap space for picks with OKC? Two 1st rounders? No team will give up two future #1's since the Nets disaster a few years back.
One future late 1st for $18 million? And that 18 million isn't just money, it's a huge piece for the Kings to make trades etc.
One future late 1st for $18 million? And that 18 million isn't just money, it's a huge piece for the Kings to make trades etc.
Right, but you still haven't said what you think would be a fair deal from OKC for the Kings. I'm seriously asking because I don't think they have any assets to give, other than a late 1st rounder which isn't a fair trade imo.
I'm curious for everyone advocating this as a trade proposal. What would you ask for from OKC for the cap space?
I'm curious for everyone advocating this as a trade proposal. What would you ask for from OKC for the cap space?
The argument for keeping him around is that the team should have no intention to be bad next season. So having a 20 a night Melo combined with reduced pressure to score to Fox, Bogdanovic, and Bagley could be a good thing. It might also create opportunities for them if teams zone in on Melo. It's a one year rental for someone that could offer us a much needed offensive punch, something we clearly lack at this point.
But I'd expect him to want a buy out and not play here. So for OKC I'd makes no sense since they might as well buy him out and keep their pick.
But I'd expect him to want a buy out and not play here. So for OKC I'd makes no sense since they might as well buy him out and keep their pick.
I just think it would make a lot more sense to do something like this if:
1. Kings had a bad contract beyond one year
2. A first rounder that has lotto potential (even if protected to a degree) or at the most top 15... and I'd still be leery.
3. OKC had a young player or a Euro stash to throw in.
I mean a magical first round pick can actually be just a few picks away from a 2nd round pick. OKC still has a pretty good regular season roster for the foreseeable future.
1. Kings had a bad contract beyond one year
2. A first rounder that has lotto potential (even if protected to a degree) or at the most top 15... and I'd still be leery.
3. OKC had a young player or a Euro stash to throw in.
I mean a magical first round pick can actually be just a few picks away from a 2nd round pick. OKC still has a pretty good regular season roster for the foreseeable future.
Just think about (I try not to) what Philly got so the Kings could dump salary:
2015: Kings trade Nik Stauskas, Carl Landry, Jason Thompson, 2019 Unprotected first round pick, and two pick swap options for rights to Lithuanian prospect Arturas Gudaitis and Serbian prospect Luka Mitrovic, and a future second round pick.
Return: The Kings got $13 million in cap space
2015: Kings trade Nik Stauskas, Carl Landry, Jason Thompson, 2019 Unprotected first round pick, and two pick swap options for rights to Lithuanian prospect Arturas Gudaitis and Serbian prospect Luka Mitrovic, and a future second round pick.
Return: The Kings got $13 million in cap space
What about this aren't you understanding? The difference between a 33 win team and a 38 win team while spending 20 million a year PROVIDES NO VALUE TO THE TEAM BECAUSE IT ISN'T HELPING THEM COMPETE IN THE POST SEASON. Spending money on something that will benefit the team, like prospects or draft assets, provide value in future moves and players WHEN THE TEAM WILL NEED THEM, because right now, a player provides no benefit.
Just read the Kings offered Lavine 20 mil a year for four years. That is such a crap deal, because the Kings will just starting to be good as he enters the last year of his deal and they won't HAVE ANYTHING TO SHOW FOR the 20 million a year. So dumb.
I'm done with this team. Such a short-sighted, bush league move. The difference between FOs like the Spurs, Boston, Philly (under Sam), Golden State, etc are far and away the difference between good teams and bad ones, who can't stop making bad decisions.
Just read the Kings offered Lavine 20 mil a year for four years. That is such a crap deal, because the Kings will just starting to be good as he enters the last year of his deal and they won't HAVE ANYTHING TO SHOW FOR the 20 million a year. So dumb.
I'm done with this team. Such a short-sighted, bush league move. The difference between FOs like the Spurs, Boston, Philly (under Sam), Golden State, etc are far and away the difference between good teams and bad ones, who can't stop making bad decisions.
Wow - easy there. I wasn't even arguing against the premise, just didn't like what OKC had to offer. Look at what the Kings gave the Sixers, which was horrible, but something in the middle would've been nice. 
And for the record, I wasn't advocating spending $20 million in this thread on one player. Just wanted a better deal.
Kings will still have a nice chunk next offseason so if they are showing they are on the upswing, then maybe this is part of the plan. We'll see.
And for the record, I wasn't advocating spending $20 million in this thread on one player. Just wanted a better deal.Kings will still have a nice chunk next offseason so if they are showing they are on the upswing, then maybe this is part of the plan. We'll see.
You've been operating on here for the last week or two under the assumption that there are deals on the table for salary dumps in exchange for draft picks. They aren't there dude. Teams just aren't offering them. I don't know why you're acting as if Vlade can just pull the trigger at any moment and acquire a first round pick in exchange for salary. They're simply not available else Vlade or some other team would have done it.
Teams especially aren't going to do it right now when the free agency market has dried up.
Teams especially aren't going to do it right now when the free agency market has dried up.
My arguments were based on getting two picks from them. I'm actually okay with the pick being a few years away. We have several young players we need to develop now. Adding more now does not help much. Plus, there is a greater chance that OKC will be worse in a few years, since they have virtually no way to improve their roster.
I haven't heard of any better deals out there. Could something come up before the season starts, or before the deadline? Sure. We can wait. However, if we wait, and the Thunder stretch him, or trade him elsewhere, we lose a chance.
Apart from the owners losing some dough, we don't lose anything BB wise from this move (potential lost opportunity for something else that may come up aside). The amounts being mentioned is not chump change, so I can understand the reluctance to pay out huge sums to purchase picks that won't materialize till a few years. From a BB perspective itself, I'm okay with the trade.
This is of course all theoretical. We have no idea if either side has even considered it, and what the OKC will be ready to offer if something does come up.
I haven't heard of any better deals out there. Could something come up before the season starts, or before the deadline? Sure. We can wait. However, if we wait, and the Thunder stretch him, or trade him elsewhere, we lose a chance.
Apart from the owners losing some dough, we don't lose anything BB wise from this move (potential lost opportunity for something else that may come up aside). The amounts being mentioned is not chump change, so I can understand the reluctance to pay out huge sums to purchase picks that won't materialize till a few years. From a BB perspective itself, I'm okay with the trade.
This is of course all theoretical. We have no idea if either side has even considered it, and what the OKC will be ready to offer if something does come up.
Yes you would do it even for a 2021 pick, Westbrook is heading towards 30 and plays 100% based on athletic ability he will most likely break down and that would probably lead to OKC rebuilding and shipping PG13. If we don't sign Hood/Smart this is a complete no brainer imo if they offer a 1st round pick in 2021 the later from now the better cause Westbrook value/style of play will most likely lead to injury or poor play. Do Melo + 1st for Temple they get another wing who can help them we play Melo as a stop gap for one year and we have a good chance to get a high pick imo.
Also keep in mind Westbrook is super hard to play with PG13 could regret resigning in less than 6 months, they could turn into a crap show really quick in particular considering the other guys they got none of them imo will be anything more than solid role players like Adams/Grant/Roberson/Patterson/Spanish guy name can't think of right now., maybe Terrance Ferguson could be above average to early to say.
Also keep in mind Westbrook is super hard to play with PG13 could regret resigning in less than 6 months, they could turn into a crap show really quick in particular considering the other guys they got none of them imo will be anything more than solid role players like Adams/Grant/Roberson/Patterson/Spanish guy name can't think of right now., maybe Terrance Ferguson could be above average to early to say.
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