Carmelo Anthony
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Again, if the argument is that late first rounders are worthless, then there's nothing else for us to discuss. There are plenty of very good or rotational players taken 15-30, and to argue otherwise is to wear blinders. It is also willfully ignorant to recognize what future picks can do for a team's ability to put together deals if they decide not to use them.
many of you aren't understanding..
Carmelo only has 1 yr left. We'd get a future 1st for absorbing his contract for 1yr. After the trade, we can just buy him out and let him do whatever he wants.
Essentially, we're using up our free cap space to gain a future 1st. That's a good deal considering the FA market has dried up.
Carmelo only has 1 yr left. We'd get a future 1st for absorbing his contract for 1yr. After the trade, we can just buy him out and let him do whatever he wants.
Essentially, we're using up our free cap space to gain a future 1st. That's a good deal considering the FA market has dried up.
The thing is, they could trade 'Melo for, say Shumpert and then stretch Shumpert, which would save about $6M per year on the cap relative to just stretching 'Melo. That $6M then translates into huge amounts saved on luxury tax over three years (because you know even though they aren't in the tax for the subsequent two years, they'll get there) with the huge tax multipliers they're getting. Could plausibly save them $50M to stretch Shumpert instead of stretching 'Melo.
Good point from OKC point of view.
But, OKC would need to pony up at least 2 first round picks (or a 1st and a couple of 2nd rounders) for a Melo salary dump trade, because Melo isn't going to finish his career in Sacramento.
Any trade to the Kings for a salary dump would need to come with a buyout per-arranged, because Melo isn't waiving his no trade clause to play for Sacramento.
But, OKC would need to pony up at least 2 first round picks (or a 1st and a couple of 2nd rounders) for a Melo salary dump trade, because Melo isn't going to finish his career in Sacramento.
Any trade to the Kings for a salary dump would need to come with a buyout per-arranged, because Melo isn't waiving his no trade clause to play for Sacramento.
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Here is the thing, a future OKC 1st is going to be a late 1st (#25-30 range), there is not much value to the Kings, unless we get extra incentives, i.e an additional 1st or a couple of extra 2nd round picks.
One late future first round pick wouldn't move the needle for me. I would save the salary cap space for when teams get desperate at the trade deadline and get more than one late first for our cap space or we can get an additional player that we can actually use.
One late future first round pick wouldn't move the needle for me. I would save the salary cap space for when teams get desperate at the trade deadline and get more than one late first for our cap space or we can get an additional player that we can actually use.
Agreed on all counts. I think that given the salary we would be taking on and the money OKC would save that 2 first rounders is about a fair exchange. Their 2020 is outgoing, 1-20 protected, which kind of ties them up. I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think we could trade for the 1-20 portion of the 2020 pick, and then 2022 outright.
I have no problem buying out 'Melo if we trade for him, but I'd have to think hard about whether to stretch him or just eat it all this year.
I have no problem buying out 'Melo if we trade for him, but I'd have to think hard about whether to stretch him or just eat it all this year.
I wouldn't stretch him if it happened. It'll wind up costing the team in some manner down the road. Best to just eat the cost this year since the team isn't expected to make the playoffs or anything anyway.
Because it takes two to tango. People keep assuming there are first round picks for cap space deals out on the table when there aren't any that we've heard about. The trigger would already have been pulled by the Kings or another team if deals like that were available. I think getting a first round pick with our cap space is going to just wind up being a pipe dream unfortunately.
Because it takes two to tango. People keep assuming there are first round picks for cap space deals out on the table when there aren't any that we've heard about. The trigger would already have been pulled by the Kings or another team if deals like that were available. I think getting a first round pick with our cap space is going to just wind up being a pipe dream unfortunately.
If we keep the salary cap space we can use the space to help facilitate a trade later on and get additional assets. It happens all the time at the trade deadline. Teams think they need one additional player to make a deep run in the playoffs, but need a team to absorb a salary to do it. In these cases, they may give up an additional young asset and the pick.
There are also teams that need to get under the Luxury Tax cap at the trade deadline and they usually will have a higher draft pick to give up.
Giving up our salary cap space for one future late first round pick is selling low in my opinion.
There are also teams that need to get under the Luxury Tax cap at the trade deadline and they usually will have a higher draft pick to give up.
Giving up our salary cap space for one future late first round pick is selling low in my opinion.
Again, there's no basis for that statement. 3-4 year contract for a FA guarantees that 50-75% of that deal is A) wasted salary on a losing team, and B) wasted minutes that could have been given to other developing players. I don't understand your concept of value.
This mentality is the same that thinks George Hill's deal was a good idea. Literally the only way your mentality makes sense is if you think this team is like, 45 wins and is a Lavine type addition away from 50 and getting the 8th spot. If that is where you're coming from, then that makes a lot of sense, even if it is a completely misguided and incorrect assumption. If not, then it makes zero sense to sign a free agent with the intent on making the team better at this point in time.
This mentality is the same that thinks George Hill's deal was a good idea. Literally the only way your mentality makes sense is if you think this team is like, 45 wins and is a Lavine type addition away from 50 and getting the 8th spot. If that is where you're coming from, then that makes a lot of sense, even if it is a completely misguided and incorrect assumption. If not, then it makes zero sense to sign a free agent with the intent on making the team better at this point in time.
Let me know what you're thinking would be a good deal for the Kings with OKC and their assets then we'll talk.
Smart and Anderson would help this team grow and are worth value as well. No to any vets like last couple of offseasons.
Never said anything about any additional players with cap space means this team will be anywhere near playoff contention, but certainly a step closer. But good luck with your 2022 1st rounder in the 20-30 range while handcuffing the Kings this year as far as any other deals that may materialize, as ockingsfan pointed out ^^^.
If this FO had a Sam Hinkie type, then I may change my thinking a bit.
Smart and Anderson would help this team grow and are worth value as well. No to any vets like last couple of offseasons.
Never said anything about any additional players with cap space means this team will be anywhere near playoff contention, but certainly a step closer. But good luck with your 2022 1st rounder in the 20-30 range while handcuffing the Kings this year as far as any other deals that may materialize, as ockingsfan pointed out ^^^.
If this FO had a Sam Hinkie type, then I may change my thinking a bit.
