Carmello Anthony?

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Why would you want to offer our core players to just one person. Ill take tyreke and demarcus cousins together all day long than having Carmelo. By the way tyrekes rookie year is much better than carmelos rookie year. so no thank you.
 
#5
Him and Tyreke will not fit together, just like Iverson and him didn't fit together. No to trading him, and no to outright signing him next year.
 
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Him and Tyreke will not fit together, just like Iverson and him didn't fit together. No to trading him, and no to outright signing him next year.
I agree, the iverson/carmelo duo looked good on paper but ended up being a subpar product on the court, having two players who need the ball and who are ball dominant is pretty much an explosive situation......not in a good way
 
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Lafayette

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DALLAS: Caron Butler + Shawn Marion = $16M

DENVER: Carmelo Anthony = $16M

Dirk needs another weapon and he's the perfect fit and Denver gets 2 players that can help in the starting lineup and depth.
 
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Denver is convinced Carmelo will go to a big city (NYC) after his contract is up. Hence why he's on the block on the first place if he doesn't sign the extension.

The extension they offered is worth more than what he could ever get (per year) if he waited for his contract to end (New CBA), so if he decided to NOT sign the extension, it means money is secondary and he wants to play for a specific city/team. Melo is born and raised in NYC and went to Syracuse, where do you think is his prime destination???

So if we did trade for him, it would be a one year rental, 0% he resigns.

You want to trade Demarcus + package for a one year rental of Melo? Come on now..
 
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CARMELLO REVISTED;

latest word out of denver is that melo is very uncertain about where hes going to be traded and has a huge dilemma ahead of him in regards to his pending FA. With the new CB coming he stands to lose a lot of money if he doesnt sign his 65mill contract on the table. Denver is still looking to shift him to the team which offers the best package.

We could still make a play in all this with the young talent we have and it all comes down to if melo can walk away from millions and not pen that contract. Could potentially be a CWEBB 2.0 situation
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
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CARMELLO REVISTED;

latest word out of denver is that melo is very uncertain about where hes going to be traded and has a huge dilemma ahead of him in regards to his pending FA. With the new CB coming he stands to lose a lot of money if he doesnt sign his 65mill contract on the table. Denver is still looking to shift him to the team which offers the best package.

We could still make a play in all this with the young talent we have and it all comes down to if melo can walk away from millions and not pen that contract. Could potentially be a CWEBB 2.0 situation
The problem is that Denver is asking for far too much for a player ho hasn't yet proven himself to be a true top-tier player in this league.
 
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I would still have more interest in Favors than Melo!

He is a very good player but you are not winning a chamionship with Melo as your man and i don't think he would be a great fit with Evans and Cousins going forward. I still think Granger would be a better player with those 2 than Melo.

But I guess its one of those things, if you have a chance to get that sort of talent into your team you just do it and figure it out later.
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
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I don't see the maloofs going down this road ever, and i'm glad to be quite honest.

I'd much rather see Granger as above.
Agreed! Anyone thats been following this saga, which should be a day time soap opera, should be turned off by the, "Its all about me" attitude of Melo. There is no way in hell he's going to agree to come to sacramento. He wants New York! And if the New Jersey Nets, who are moving to Brooklyn in 2012, aren't close enough to New York for him, what do you think the chances of his coming to sacramento are?

Melo grew up in Baltimore, so the Washington Wizards would have a better chance of signing him. This is nothing more than a pipe dream. And no, I wouldn't give up Cousins for him.

If one engages his or her brain for just a moment. Melo wants to play on the big stage of New York. Close to home. So what would be the incentive to go elsewhere? A championship in the future perhaps? A team laden with talent that just needs that final touch, named Melo? Just where does sacramento fit in to all that, especially if you deal one of the most important pieces that might attract him in Cousins. These things have to make sense, or whats the point?
 

Spike

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CARMELLO REVISTED;

latest word out of denver is that melo is very uncertain about where hes going to be traded and has a huge dilemma ahead of him in regards to his pending FA. With the new CB coming he stands to lose a lot of money if he doesnt sign his 65mill contract on the table. Denver is still looking to shift him to the team which offers the best package.

We could still make a play in all this with the young talent we have and it all comes down to if melo can walk away from millions and not pen that contract. Could potentially be a CWEBB 2.0 situation
Carmelo is not a CWebb situation, other than the fact that he's grumpy. You can't build around Carmelo. Building around a scoring SF who doesn't do much of else would be the height of folly. He doesn't set up the offense - Billups does that. He doesn't dominate in the post.
 
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i dont understand why there's so much carmelo hate. i know he is not at the same level as lebron, wade or kobe, but i think he is 1 tier below. which is more than anything we have RIGHT NOW (capitalized because i know dmc and evans have potential). i'm sure we've all seen games where carmello has just taken over, carried the team on his shoulders and win the game for them. he's not the greatest but we can do a whole lot worse. these last games where we were ahead in the 4th but couldnt pull it out, where we had no one that could score, we could have used a player like him. one that can drive to the hoop, post up and hit a turn around, or just plain hit a jumper. i dont think its that hard to build around him at all. the question is who do we have to give up to get him. and the answer is whoever it is, we dont wanna give up. personally i think as kings fans (as with all fans) we overvalue our players and pick out the faults of possible players that we have no chance of getting. i'm sure half the board would hate to get lebron or kobe for their own reasons. i think you could build a good team around carmello (not great) with the right pieces.

personally i think its a lot easier to build around carmello than tyreke. after drafting carmello, the nuggets put together multiple playoff contending teams. ive found it "almost" impossible to build around tyreke and we have gone no where since drafting him. you cant use a prototypical pg cuz he needs the ball in his hands. you cant put him at pg and use a prototypical SG cuz he is too ball dominant. its hard to have big men that clog up the paint cuz he mostly drives the ball if hes not fading away shooting a three or a wide open jumper. as a kings fan, im just hoping that he turns out to be what we all hope he will be. i hope he develops a jumpshot to keep all the defenders honest and stop them from packing in the paint. i hope he grows out of the idea that he needs to carry this team alone and stops going 1 on 1 at the end of the 4th and turn it over. i hope he stops jumping to pass so much and stops fading away on all of his shots. if he does this as he matures...im positive he can help us become a great team.

personally i think cousins is more untouchable than evans only because big men are harder to find than guards. as much as i would like carmello in a kings uniform, i dont want to risk the possibility of what the evans/cousins duo can become
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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i dont understand why there's so much carmelo hate. i know he is not at the same level as lebron, wade or kobe, but i think he is 1 tier below. which is more than anything we have RIGHT NOW (capitalized because i know dmc and evans have potential). i'm sure we've all seen games where carmello has just taken over, carried the team on his shoulders and win the game for them. he's not the greatest but we can do a whole lot worse. these last games where we were ahead in the 4th but couldnt pull it out, where we had no one that could score, we could have used a player like him. one that can drive to the hoop, post up and hit a turn around, or just plain hit a jumper. i dont think its that hard to build around him at all. the question is who do we have to give up to get him. and the answer is whoever it is, we dont wanna give up. personally i think as kings fans (as with all fans) we overvalue our players and pick out the faults of possible players that we have no chance of getting. i'm sure half the board would hate to get lebron or kobe for their own reasons. i think you could build a good team around carmello (not great) with the right pieces.

personally i think its a lot easier to build around carmello than tyreke. after drafting carmello, the nuggets put together multiple playoff contending teams. ive found it "almost" impossible to build around tyreke and we have gone no where since drafting him. you cant use a prototypical pg cuz he needs the ball in his hands. you cant put him at pg and use a prototypical SG cuz he is too ball dominant. its hard to have big men that clog up the paint cuz he mostly drives the ball if hes not fading away shooting a three or a wide open jumper. as a kings fan, im just hoping that he turns out to be what we all hope he will be. i hope he develops a jumpshot to keep all the defenders honest and stop them from packing in the paint. i hope he grows out of the idea that he needs to carry this team alone and stops going 1 on 1 at the end of the 4th and turn it over. i hope he stops jumping to pass so much and stops fading away on all of his shots. if he does this as he matures...im positive he can help us become a great team.

personally i think cousins is more untouchable than evans only because big men are harder to find than guards. as much as i would like carmello in a kings uniform, i dont want to risk the possibility of what the evans/cousins duo can become
Carmelo Anthony has never won, ever. And I mean eer as in long beore the current Melo ever entered the league.

People get overfascinated by scorers. Scorers are crap if that's mostly all they do. Selfish little glory hounds, while the game is won elsewhere. The wide recievers of the NBA while the game is won in the trenches. Melo has always done just enough as a rebounder to come off as maybe a poor man's Nique type (who never won either btw), but he eats most of your shots, makes nobody better, and does nothing for you on defense. A player LIKE Tyreke on the other hand has been at the heart of numerous championship runs precisely because they do so much more than score. And you barely care who is back there with them. Let alone the big centers like Cousins. A scoring SF? Wroth less than any of that stuff. And this one costs you major assets, a huge chunk of your cap, and comes with enormous baggage and an entourage of cancerous characters. He's not our play, and he would be in the way of the development of guys who may very well be his betters.

We could use a SF of significance, but we don't need an overblown one dimensional shot muncher looking to use us as a cash grab. He can't save a team by himself, and his presence won't allow anyone else to do so. Think of guys like Wallace, Iggy, Prince -- all around vets who play defenese, fill the stat sheet, and can function as thrid weapons.
 
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Carmelo Anthony has never won, ever. And I mean eer as in long beore the current Melo ever entered the league.

People get overfascinated by scorers. Scorers are crap if that's mostly all they do. Selfish little glory hounds, while the game is won elsewhere. The wide recievers of the NBA while the game is won in the trenches. Melo has always done just enough as a rebounder to come off as maybe a poor man's Nique type (who never won either btw), but he eats most of your shots, makes nobody better, and does nothing for you on defense. A player LIKE Tyreke on the other hand has been at the heart of numerous championship runs precisely because they do so much more than score. And you barely care who is back there with them. Let alone the big centers like Cousins. A scoring SF? Wroth less than any of that stuff. And this one costs you major assets, a huge chunk of your cap, and comes with enormous baggage and an entourage of cancerous characters. He's not our play, and he would be in the way of the development of guys who may very well be his betters.

We could use a SF of significance, but we don't need an overblown one dimensional shot muncher looking to use us as a cash grab. He can't save a team by himself, and his presence won't allow anyone else to do so. Think of guys like Wallace, Iggy, Prince -- all around vets who play defenese, fill the stat sheet, and can function as thrid weapons.
carmelo might not be the answer for the kings, but i wouldnt say he hasnt won anything. even tho he hasnt won an nba title, he has won at syracuse and has helped taken his team to multiple playoffs. i know u are not a big fan of scorers that do nothing else. but heres the thing, these last few games...we needed a scorer. when we would score like 13 or 15 in a quarter. would i like a scorer that also rebounds and drops dimes? of course...but lebron is in miami. im in no way saying that carmelo will bring us a championship, but a player of his caliber will make this team better now. a player like him can turn us into a playoff team. and maybe when demarcus and tyreke develop into the players you believe they will become, we will become champions. but the whole point of the capspace is to get someone like carmelo. a star that can help take this team to the next level. if not someone like carmelo and his 23/8/3 this season than who? im kinda torn between getting an all around 3rd wheel and getting a legit go to guy. cousins has shown that he kinda loses it at the end of games, and while tyreke has shown flashes of being clutch (one game against the nuggets ironically) there have been way more games where he hurts us in the end rather than helps. so until theyre more consistant in closing out games. i wont rule out getting a number 1 option for now.

btw who are the tyreke like players you are referring to that have been the centerpiece of championship teams? just want to get an idea of who you see tyreke becoming
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
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carmelo might not be the answer for the kings, but i wouldnt say he hasnt won anything. even tho he hasnt won an nba title, he has won at syracuse and has helped taken his team to multiple playoffs. i know u are not a big fan of scorers that do nothing else. but heres the thing, these last few games...we needed a scorer. when we would score like 13 or 15 in a quarter. would i like a scorer that also rebounds and drops dimes? of course...but lebron is in miami. im in no way saying that carmelo will bring us a championship, but a player of his caliber will make this team better now. a player like him can turn us into a playoff team. and maybe when demarcus and tyreke develop into the players you believe they will become, we will become champions. but the whole point of the capspace is to get someone like carmelo. a star that can help take this team to the next level. if not someone like carmelo and his 23/8/3 this season than who? im kinda torn between getting an all around 3rd wheel and getting a legit go to guy. cousins has shown that he kinda loses it at the end of games, and while tyreke has shown flashes of being clutch (one game against the nuggets ironically) there have been way more games where he hurts us in the end rather than helps. so until theyre more consistant in closing out games. i wont rule out getting a number 1 option for now.

btw who are the tyreke like players you are referring to that have been the centerpiece of championship teams? just want to get an idea of who you see tyreke becoming
First off, I'm sure Bricky was referring to the NBA. Secondly, right now most fans are complaining about Tyreke's domination of the ball. Well Melo dominates the ball even more than Tyreke. Melo has a very high usage rate, which means he has the ball in hands a lot. He's also not known for racking up assists. Thirdly he's not about to come here so I don't know why were even having this conversation.
 
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LWP777

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Chris Webber hadn't "won anything" when he was traded to the Kings. Maybe they should have passed on him? Melo has been on numerous 50 win teams. Who do you expect we trade for? Kobe? Wade? Shaq? Maybe Duncan?
 
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First off, I'm sure Bricky was referring to the NBA. Secondly, right now most fans are complaining about Tyreke's domination of the ball. Well Melo dominates the ball even more than Tyreke. Melo has a very high usage rate, which means he has the ball in hands a lot. He's also not known for racking up assists. Thirdly he's not about to come here so I don't know why were even having this conversation.
melo has the ball in his hands alot, but it leads to points because he has so many ways to score. tyreke just dribbles, dribbles a) drives b) fade away jumpshot c) turns it over
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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Chris Webber hadn't "won anything" when he was traded to the Kings. Maybe they should have passed on him? Melo has been on numerous 50 win teams. Who do you expect we trade for? Kobe? Wade? Shaq? Maybe Duncan?
None of the above.

What people continue to miss is this -- we have the talent already here. Its young talent, but its better talent than all but a handful of teams have. And peopel are so blind to it they have made compeltely ridiculous statements aobut us being the least talented tema in the league, or even in history. Suffice it to say I am glad you guys aren't our scouting department.

People also continue to have some rather ridiculous grass is greener on the other side fantasies always obsessing about how great it is to have guys who have been in the league for years and year without getting anything significant done. Its just desperation. Blind desperation. We've got two Top 20 talents on the roster already. It might be two Top 10 talents. We've got another high pick, we've got the most caproom in the league.
 
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None of the above.

What people continue to miss is this -- we have the talent already here. Its young talent, but its better talent than all but a handful of teams have. And peopel are so blind to it they have made compeltely ridiculous statements aobut us being the least talented tema in the league, or even in history. Suffice it to say I am glad you guys aren't our scouting department.

People also continue to have some rather ridiculous grass is greener on the other side fantasies always obsessing about how great it is to have guys who have been in the league for years and year without getting anything significant done. Its just desperation. Blind desperation. We've got two Top 20 talents on the roster already. It might be two Top 10 talents. We've got another high pick, we've got the most caproom in the league.
i would say 90% if not more knows we have potential in tyreke and cousins. with maturity and tweeks in their game we can have a duo hopefully as good as shaq/kobe. the thing is can we wait and have these 2 mature and surround them with youngs? i dont think having a completely young team is the answer. (okc and portland may be good models of rebuilding with youngs but what have they won?) i believe we need a veteran presence. someone who knows how to take over in the 4th and win games(sorry cisco is not the answer). some disagree whether that vet be a roleplayer type or a star type. the point of having all that capspace is to use it. save some for evans and cousins when its time of course. there are too many games where the offense becomes stagnant. that 4th quarter in the lakers game looked like so many of our close losses. until evans develops a consistent jumper, i have no problem bringing in another scorer.