can spencer get on the floor

[tyrant]

What's up with this? Why is he only getting 3-6 minutes a game? He is obviously our best big man with the most talent around the basket.
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Our problem=no big man. Just because we don't have the ideal player doesnt mean we have the god giving right to suck. Compete. I'm glad to see KTs minutes reduced. But newsflash, moore sucks as well. He's as bad as KT but he can make freethrows. play williams and spencer.

 

[BritishColumbia]

Because somebody told our coach that we still have chances to be a playoff team this year .....

 

[mac]

We brought him in for low post scoring. And exactly how many post shots have you seen him make so far? In the portland game he displayed inexperience on D, and yes, because somebody told our coach that we can still make the playoffs.

 

[Jechtsphere]

Muss-JR I mean Theus won't give him big minutes until maybe we're mathematically out of the playoffs.

 

[bajaden]

We brought him in for low post scoring. And exactly how many post shots have you seen him make so far? In the portland game he displayed inexperience on D, and yes, because somebody told our coach that we can still make the playoffs.

Exactly how many times have you seen him get the ball in the post? But your right, he is inexperienced, and the only way you get experience is to play. Remember, he's only 19 years old. The team has to make a decision at some point. Are we playing for the play-off's, or are we playing for the future?

 

[juicij36]

The team has to make a decision at some point. Are we playing for the play-off's, or are we playing for the future?

EXACTLY!
& we will do absolutely nothing N the p.offs, "if" we were 2 get there; which we won't (by far N the West).

 

[kupman]

What's up with this? Why is he only getting 3-6 minutes a game? He is obviously our best big man with the most talent around the basket.
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Our problem=no big man. Just because we don't have the ideal player doesnt mean we have the god giving right to suck. Compete. I'm glad to see KTs minutes reduced. But newsflash, moore sucks as well. He's as bad as KT but he can make freethrows. play williams and spencer.

Because somebody told our coach that we still have chances to be a playoff team this year .....

Muss-JR I mean Theus won't give him big minutes until maybe we're mathematically out of the playoffs.

I am trying to find the logic here. If Hawes is our best player in the post and if you do not want to push for the playoffs would you not be asking for less (or no) Hawes and more K-9, Moore and/or SAR at PF or center.

The more floor time that K9, Moore or SAR get with Hawes on the bench would increase our odds in the lottery, would it not?

 

[Jechtsphere]

It wouldn't help or hurt us either way in the loss category, the thing is Hawes will get better and be fun to watch and the others get worse and give fans headaches.

 

[kupman]

^^^agreed....although I think that we may actually be a little better with Hawes the floor a bit more. In fact, I think that most of the young guys make us better than the vets getting time.

I guess an argument against giving Hawes extended minutes right now would be to reduce the time he has on his knees so as not to wear them out before we are good again in 3-5 years.

 

[John Galt]

He's looked a little bit gimpy to me. I bet they are just being very conservative with the knee.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

i agree , but i dont thinks hes 100% just yet.. and its worth it to have him sit for now.. its only been 13 games , after the all start break i wouldnt be surprised if he started.

 

[Kingster]

What everybody else says: We're playing for the playoffs!

We should to do a bet on when the word, "playoffs", stops being mouthed by Theus. I would expect now that it would be the same as Muss last year - when the Kings were mathematically eliminated. So maybe in late February, early March, Hawes can start playing some real minutes!

 

[fnordius]

KT and Mikki aren't winning us games, and they aren't very fun to watch, so I'm thinking it's some combination of trying to keep the vets from rebelling, and trying to get them looking good to prospective trade partners. Well, maybe not GOOD, nothing can do that, but better than they'd look if they'd sat deep on the bench for months. Because otherwise it doesn't make much sense, and isn't consistent with what Reggie has said he's doing: giving the minutes to the guys who put forth the effort. Who are out top scorers per 48? Kevin (30.0), Ron (26.0), Cisco (24.3), John (21.8), Spencer (20.5), Beno (18.3) and Justin (16.0). Mikki? 10.7. KT? 7.6. How about rebounds? Last year Justin led the NBA in rebounds per minute. So far this season, he does too, with 26.7 rebounds per 48. Kenny Thomas is our 2nd best, but he's so much worse that he's in 96th place (11.4 per 48). Mikki grabs 8.7 per 48, which is significantly worse than Brad and about tied with Ron and Spencer. Justin also easily leads the team in offensive boards per 48, snagging over 3 times as many as Brad, Mikki or KT.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/stati...8&qual=false&pos=all&season=2008&seasontype=2

Justin's 2.67 blocks per 48 aren't going to land him at the top of the NBA, but he is the only King in the top 50.
Williams: 2.67
Miller: 1.76
Watkins: 1.37
Hawes: 1.08
Greene: 0.77 eek: Sad, isn't it? To be shown up by an unemployed PG?)
Artest: 0.7
Moore: 0.58
Garcia: 0.51
Salmons: 0.43
Thomas: 0.29
Udrih: 0.21
Martin: 0.18

FG percentage
Justin: .750
Ron: .540
Spencer: .500
Cisco: .480
Mikki: .475
John: .473
KT: .464
Kevin: .433
Beno: .425
Brad: .416
Rest: under .390

For those who like Hollinger's PER stat...
Justin: 24.40
Ron: 22.45
Kevin: 22.29
Cisco: 17.83
John: 16.57
Beno: 13.82
Spencer: 12.85
Brad: 12.16
Quincy: 7.57
Mikki: 7.16
Kenny: 6.90

Points per shot
Kevin: 1.53
Justin: 1.50
Ron: 1.46
John: 1.35
Cisco: 1.28
Spencer: 1.27
Mikki: 1.20
Brad: 1.14
Beno: 1.11
Quincy: 0.97
KT: 0.93

Justin turns the ball over more per 48 than Mikki, but less than Brad or KT. Justin also picks up less than half as many PFs per 48 as any of the other bigs.

So the only conclusion I can reach is that if Reggie's basing PT on performance, he's only looking at FT percentage and intangibles. Aside from scoring slightly less per 48 than Spencer, Justin KILLS the competition in every other category. So I don't know what's on Reggie's mind in the PF/C race, but it's not productivity.

 

[Glenn]

Rookies are risky. Look at the stat lines on the prominent rookies this year. They reflect how rookies do every year. Durant is far and away the best and he is hitting 37% fg's and 28% threes.

When Spencer turned his back to the guy he showed on early in the game, he demosnstrated what rookies do - they screw up. It led to an uncontested layup but it was a basic big man move on defense and he didn't know how to do it.

It is always said the players get in their prime in their late 20's but do people understand what that means? It is nothing magical. It is what experience gives a guy and it is what 19 year olds don't have. I didn't pay much attention to the team last year so can't comment on Muss but, with Adelman and now Theus, they show a basic mistrust in youngsters and always play the vets even when they are over the hill. A vet will be in the right place unless his knees are gone. A vet won't make a dumb mental mistake (usually). He may get outplayed but not by his own stupidity.

When a game is close, they want a vet on the court as when things are close, the expected lack of clear thought in a youngster will become even more scrambled by the tension of the game.

Summary: in this game Spencer made a major error early. The game was winnable. I think that's why we didn't see him much.

I really want Spencer to play as I think most do but this wasn't the game.

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

A pecking order exists. He's a rookie. We have a glut of big men. Quincy Douby averaged 8.5 mpg his rookie year. Kevin Martin, 10.1 mpg. Stream of consciousness.

 

[Glenn]

What everybody else says: We're playing for the playoffs!

We should to do a bet on when the word, "playoffs", stops being mouthed by Theus. I would expect now that it would be the same as Muss last year - when the Kings were mathematically eliminated. So maybe in late February, early March, Hawes can start playing some real minutes!

I presume we'll quit talking about playoffs if the addition of Bibby doesn't improve the team.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I presume we'll quit talking about playoffs if the addition of Bibby doesn't improve the team.

And I doubt highly that he'll improve us THAT much...although it will add to our depth...as far as I'm concerned, I hope Mike torches everyone else so his trade value goes up quick! I do think we'll be seeing more of Hawes after the first of the year...I think the coaching staff wants to get him attributed to the NBA more before they throw him into the fire totally as a 19 yr. old.

 

[Spike]

PLAYOFFS? PLAYOFFS?! We're just trying to win a game.

 

[SacTownKid]

He's looked a little bit gimpy to me. I bet they are just being very conservative with the knee.

I don't know, he looks alright to me. He looks like he did in summer league, I think he is just walks that way. He does seem to be a little heavy but already looks to be rounding into shape.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

PLAYOFFS? PLAYOFFS?! We're just trying to win a game.

HAHA!! You have to put a Mora pic of that rant up I think, to really do that justice.

Playoffs!?!

 

[Jerichoholic]

Unfortunately the idea to not play Spencer has come about since we started looking better and winning some games. When he first came back from the surgery the Kings were looking terrible and it was a perfect time to get him minutes because no one else was playing well. Even Theus said during an interview that it was his goal to get Spencer playing 15-20 minutes per game by his fifth game back. Start slow with 5-6 minutes, then 9-10, and eventually 15-20.

Now that we've won some games and are playing close games even when losing Theus won't put him on the floor because we have a chance to win at the end. It's a terrible thing because it's not like we're going anywhere this year anyway and it would do good for Spencer to play important minutes, that will really help his development.

 

[Entity]

Hawes is still not at full speed. The game i way to fast for him right now you can tell. He just spins around and looks crazy on defense. As a coach you want him to learn but at the same time you don't want him to lose confidence by seting him up to fail by putting him in a tight game that his mistakes make a difference. He is only 19 and he doesn't need to be reason we lose a game right now for his sake.

 

[SacTownKid]

Unfortunately the idea to not play Spencer has come about since we started looking better and winning some games. When he first came back from the surgery the Kings were looking terrible and it was a perfect time to get him minutes because no one else was playing well. Even Theus said during an interview that it was his goal to get Spencer playing 15-20 minutes per game by his fifth game back. Start slow with 5-6 minutes, then 9-10, and eventually 15-20.

Now that we've won some games and are playing close games even when losing Theus won't put him on the floor because we have a chance to win at the end. It's a terrible thing because it's not like we're going anywhere this year anyway and it would do good for Spencer to play important minutes, that will really help his development.

Yet some of the games we won Spencer did play some significant minutes and did usually produce. He does get the "no-mans minutes" treatment though. Playing the last couple of minutes of the first and only a few to start out the second. It's very hard to get comfortable out on the court I would think playing those particular minutes.

 

[VF21]

Now that we've won some games and are playing close games even when losing Theus won't put him on the floor because we have a chance to win at the end. It's a terrible thing because it's not like we're going anywhere this year anyway and it would do good for Spencer to play important minutes, that will really help his development.

I'm not sure that's the case at all. As Entity says, he's still on his way back from his knee problems AND he's a 19-year-old rookie. Bringing him along slowly but surely is, IMHO, the much better course of action at this point.