Breaking: SAR deal w/ NJ off -- no joke

[Jkbiker]

The other upside is that with a deep roster like that, you could then turn GP loose to propose some serious trades that could combine any of the starters and one of the second tier big contracts (maybe Corliss/Thomas/Skinner) and land a true upgrade on defense on any of the front line positions. We would still then have plenty of scoring starting players to put up the big points.

 

[gman23]

Wow I was just thinking after the signing of Jamal that we were ready to make a move on Darius, since i didnt think there were any real FA PF that were still avail. But with this development I could see us using the MLE to get SAR.

Maybe we will really use the new 14 man roster max to really field a DEEP team this year. Go ahead and get Matt Barnes for a min contract and just think of the depth:

PF: SAR, KThomas,Jamal
SF: Peja, Corliss, Barnes
C: Brad, Skinner, Jamal
SG: Bonzi,Kmartin,Garcia
PG: Bibby, Hart, Price

I LIKE IT!!!!!

Now i like that line-up... I know people on this board know their basketball, but alot lot was said when Webber,J-Will and Divac showed up. You have to play the game and see what happens..

 

[Vlad]

Come on guys, since when was a little scar tissue such a big deal?

 

[Evilmav2]

Maybe the Basketball Gods, in their infinite wisdom, just believed that a Shareef-Sacramento marriage should be meant to be, and that's why those willful, puerile, old mischief-makers struck down the Nets-Portland trade in such a strange manner...

 

[hrdboild]

The other upside is that with a deep roster like that, you could then turn GP loose to propose some serious trades that could combine any of the starters and one of the second tier big contracts (maybe Corliss/Thomas/Skinner) and land a true upgrade on defense on any of the front line positions. We would still then have plenty of scoring starting players to put up the big points.

Exactly. Building for the future means having valuable assets that other teams will want. Even if Shareef isn't an ideal fit for this team, he might be a stepping stone to a bigger deal that will get us a longterm solution. That bigger deal might be 2 or 3 years away, but it always pays to increase your assets in the meantime.

 

[Rowdyone]

Grant is reporting that SAR's agent and GP have been in contact and both are expressing a desire for him to be a King.

 

[DocHolliday]

Yep I heard about this. The Kings have expressed interest, and SAR has expressed interest in being a King. If we get him, and resign Songaila this will be an awesome season.

 

[Diabeticwonder]

Yep I heard about this. The Kings have expressed interest, and SAR has expressed interest in being a King. If we get him, and resign Songaila this will be an awesome season.

Getting SAR and resigning Darius means that KT will have to go or Darius will. There is no way that the roster has all three on it when they go to camp.

 

[BigWaxer]

I am not sure what side of the SAR camp I am on right now. I will say I have no doubt he will be a King after what has gone on with the Nets. Just give it a few days and we will have us a new PF.

I also look at what we have now. It seems we will get SAR for fairly cheap "well nba cheap"

During his stint when he played with Bibby he had his career best PPG and RPG. I think if he can nab us lets say 8-15 RPG a night, score around 20 PPG then we have us a nice PF that will help us out or at least make us better. A contender not sure? Better then KT yes. The answer to our problems of being soft... NO

 

[BigSong]

Makes one wonder about the state of mind of Jason Kidd who openly lobbied for signing SAR and was unhappy about the makeup of the team last year. Now they're stuck with Kristic and Clff Robinson for the time being. Someone speculated that this may mean they go hard after Darius and I wouldn't doubt it given the rapidly dwindling list of PF FA's.

The chances of Darius not sticking around is troubling, especially to me. I like his attributes. But I don't see how the Nets can make a harder push for him then the Kings. If he sticks it out with the Kings he'll have three years with one team which could mean bigger contract extensions. Second, Adelman will definitely still play him . And lastly, we can essentially sign him for 5 mil (MLE equivalent) just through our offer sheet and still have the MLE. So, unless the Nets want to really shell out some cash for a 15 min roleplayer, or we find other options I'm still hopeful hes with the Kings.

 

[DocHolliday]

Getting SAR and resigning Darius means that KT will have to go or Darius will. There is no way that the roster has all three on it when they go to camp.

We can have 15 players now 3 players at each position if we want

PG: Bibby, Hart, Price
SG: Wells, Martin, Garcia
SF: Peja, Corliss
PF: SAR, KT, Songaila
Center: Miller, Skinner, Sampson

Can you say Bench Mob the second coming?

 

[nbrans]

I am not sure what side of the SAR camp I am on right now. I will say I have no doubt he will be a King after what has gone on with the Nets. Just give it a few days and we will have us a new PF.

I also look at what we have now. It seems we will get SAR for fairly cheap "well nba cheap"

During his stint when he played with Bibby he had his career best PPG and RPG. I think if he can nab us lets say 8-15 RPG a night, score around 20 PPG then we have us a nice PF that will help us out or at least make us better. A contender not sure? Better then KT yes. The answer to our problems of being soft... NO

I agree with you, SAR doesn't solve the toughness problem, he doesn't solve the defense problem. But if the Kings sign him they'll be a heck of a lot more talented, they'll be deep, and they'll be extremely tough to outscore.

I've been crossing my fingers for the entire last week, and I won't stop crossing them until he's a King. I'm extremely excited about this possibility.

 

[Rowdyone]

We can have 15 players now 3 players at each position if we want

PG: Bibby, Hart, Price
SG: Wells, Martin, Garcia
SF: Peja, Corliss
PF: SAR, KT, Songaila
Center: Miller, Skinner, Sampson

Can you say Bench Mob the second coming?

At least with this lineup we will never lack players to scrimmage with like we frequently had trouble doing last year.

 

[thesanityannex]

I agree with you, SAR doesn't solve the toughness problem, he doesn't solve the defense problem. But if the Kings sign him they'll be a heck of a lot more talented, they'll be deep, and they'll be extremely tough to outscore.
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Bingo. The only way to win is to score more. Laughably soft though.

 

[Bad Boy Bo]

Well, can we say our #1 in PPG title will return? SAR, does not solve all our problems, then again a lot of PF's out there available does not. But maybe with him in the lineup, we will address our problem in another way. SAR style of play will fit into our system, and I will be happy if Sacramento picks him up.

 

[Bricklayer]

During his stint when he played with Bibby he had his career best PPG and RPG. I think if he can nab us lets say 8-15 RPG a night, score around 20 PPG then we have us a nice PF that will help us out or at least make us better. A contender not sure? Better then KT yes. The answer to our problems of being soft... NO

It should again be noted that when he put up his career high in points and boards, he was a SMALL forward, where he had a prohibitive size and verticality advantage.

 

[jay dubb]

Hey what exactly did Grant say about this??????????

 

[BigSong]

It should again be noted that when he put up his career high in points and boards, he was a SMALL forward, where he had a prohibitive size and verticality advantage.

Do you think he could still be utilized at the sf spot? Assuming we trade Thomas and/or Corliss for some pf bangers. So theoretically consolidate our primary scoring to the sf spot with Peja and Rahim.

 

[EatMoreChicken]

It should again be noted that when he put up his career high in points and boards, he was a SMALL forward, where he had a prohibitive size and verticality advantage.

Works for me, trade Peja for a good PF and make SAR our starting SF.

 

[whozit]

Do you think he could still be utilized at the sf spot? Assuming we trade Thomas and/or Corliss for some pf bangers. So theoretically consolidate our primary scoring to the sf spot with Peja and Rahim.

I may be mistaken, but I think that was one of the issues at Portland. They saw him as a SF, he saw himself as a PF.

 

[SLAB]

At the start of free agency, I didnt want SAR, but now he is easily the best atainable free agent, and if we can pick him up for the MLE I will be extremly happy.

But potential knee troubles and the Kings curse still makes menervous...

 

[VF21]

Bingo. The only way to win is to score more. Laughably soft though.

The only way to win is to score more AND prevent your opponent from walking all over you and scoring even MORE than you do.

I could see games of 150-145 in the regular season. Then, in the playoffs, we'd drop off and it would be four games and out.

 

[John Galt]

Get SAR, trade Peja and Thomas for Brand and whatever... Now you have a pretty tough team - a whole new look as it were:

Miller
Brand
SAR
Bonzi
Bibby

 

[VF21]

At the start of free agency, I didnt want SAR, but now he is easily the best atainable free agent, and if we can pick him up for the MLE I will be extremly happy.

But potential knee troubles and the Kings curse still makes menervous...

Just because he's available doesn't make him the best option.

 

[nbrans]

I may be mistaken, but I think that was one of the issues at Portland. They saw him as a SF, he saw himself as a PF.

Yes, it was an issue in Portland. And from what I understand, it wasn't so much that they saw him as a small forward as much as the fact that they had Zach Randolph in place and SAR was too good to come off the bench. They wanted to cut their losses and play SAR at SF so they could have him on the floor. I don't think that Portland's plan was exactly an endorsement of the idea that SAR is a small forward, an idea that has basically only gained currency on this board.

 

[Kings113]

If we do get get SAR, I'll be fine with the move. SAR brings good things. I know we'll have a balanced bench also.

I still stand by my overall feelings at PF though until if we do happen to get SAR.

 

[Bricklayer]

Yes, it was an issue in Portland. And from what I understand, it wasn't so much that they saw him as a small forward as much as the fact that they had Zach Randolph in place and SAR was too good to come off the bench. They wanted to cut their losses and play SAR at SF so they could have him on the floor. I don't think that Portland's plan was exactly an endorsement of the idea that SAR is a small forward, an idea that has basically only gained currency on this board.

Actually you are about the only person who seems determined to ignore that 2/3 of SAR's career has been spent at SF. Its his NATURAL position, although it does seem he himself is inexplicably deteremined to play PF now. But maybe not so much in the wake of the NJ fiasco. Now if a team wants him and he has a chance to start and put up numbers, maybe its time for him to back off and just play.

I will have to say that for a guy with the rep as a solid citizen, trouble, complaints and problems (not to mention losing) seem to just follow him around.

 

[D-Mass]

Just because he's available doesn't make him the best option.

If, however, GP has found that all other attempts at attaining a PF have failed, it is the best option, because signing SAR is much better than sticking with what we have. I'm not saying that we have exhausted all other possibilities, but who knows...only GP...

It does give us future trade possibilities, even mid-season. And because we would have a PF with some value (more than what we currently have), we would be able to offer another team a decent PF (along with other packaged players) to replace one that they send us. The trouble, for instance, with a trade for someone like KG right now, is that we would not have a decent, true PF to send them in return. But you package a Peja with an SAR, and you have a good replacement for a front line that would be losing the likes of a Garnett.

 

[nbrans]

Actually you are about the only person who amusingly seems to ignore that 2/3 of SAR's career has been spent at SF. Its his NATURAL position, although it does seem he himself is inexplicably deteremined to play PF now. But maybe not so much in the wake of the NJ fiasco. Now if a team wants him and he has a chance to start and put up numbers, maybe its time for him to back off and just play.

I will have to say that for a guy with the rep as a solid citizen, trouble, complaints and problems (not to mention losing) seem to just follow him around.

I understand that he started his career at small forward, but he excelled as a PF in Atlanta, and most writers I've ever read believe that his natural position is power forward. Yeah, he had excellent numbers as a small forward, but then, Bibby and Abdur-Rahim were the only halfway decent offensive players on the Grizzlies and his scoring average was naturally high. Plus it was when he was at his youngest and most athletic, which translates to higher rebound numbers.

I just don't know what you gain having him out on the perimeter, and I really don't think you can make the case that it's his natural position. He's not a great outside shooter, he's not a slasher, he's best utilized in the post. So if that's the case, and he's 6'9" and a decent defender and rebounder, why do you stick him out on the perimeter? I know you'll say that a SF can still post up, but the reality is that the power forward and center spend the most time in the post, and the SF starts possessions on the perimeter, where SAR isn't as comfortable. You'll also say that playing at SF allows him to post up smaller players, but he has shown that he can post up legit PFs, so it's a wash. He's also more suited defensively to play PFs since he can keep up with them.

Regardless of how he's been used in the past, I just don't think it makes sense to base your decisions on how the Vancouver Grizzlies used him. If the Kings get a better PF I'd be the first leading the cheers to stick SAR at the SF, but to say it's his natural position is a major stretch.

 

[loopymitch]

Ok I know I've been away but why do we want SAR?