Breaking: Reggie Theus Fired

=LarryLegend= said:
Who honestly would want to coach here with the Maloofs making "Return to the Kingdom"???


No real coach wants to be on Real World Sacramento
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The Maloofs better hire the right coach this next time or people will starting thinking of us like they do Oakland in football.
 
nbrans said:
I feel like the jury was still out on Sam Mitchell when he was fired, and I don't really have an opinion on him either way. It really seems like the Raptors should have been better than .500 last year and much better than they started the season. At the same time, Colangelo deserves a lot of that balme.

Flip is a really smart guy and an innovative coach, and yet he can't seem to get a handle on the social side of coaching and wore out his welcome in Detroit ridiculously fast. I can't really see him doing well with a rebuilding project, which depends so much more on instilling confidence and managing disgruntled vets than it does X's and O's.
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He basically rebuilt the Wolves. Or just built them since they weren't anything before he was there.
 
I was thinking Petrie should have to prove his stuff on the sidelines. Honestly, this team is his creation, and he should be the one under the gun. Natt is a good choice for now because all he has to do is the opposite of what theus did. Theus was bad for the fans and bad for vegas odds. You can't loose every game and win the game that everyone in LA is betting on, twice(I think the kings covered the spread in LA). Theus sucked on many levels. He was a young coach, and it was obvious from his first week; when he wanted his player tucked in bed by 11, that he was going to debilitate the team. Honestly, i welcomed the debilitaiton, but not at the expense of Franchise value. The blazers were the worst team in the NBA a couple seasons back, but they found a way to increase their franchise value during that time....there is only one Reggie theus, and he retired from the NBA over a decade ago.
 
Bricklayer said:
One of the worst defensive coaches in the league, has never shown he can win more than 45 games or so. Has also had pretty consistent locker room problems that he never solved, and may actually have exasperated with stupid rotations. Geoff would proabbly love to bring him in so he could get his precious Princeton back. But its not about the Princeton Geoff, its about winning big. Jordan has never shown that. He's a 230-290 (.442) lifetime coach, and 8-18 lifetime in the playoffs. And when you have been coaching for as long as he has, those numbers begin to be about accurate.
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I agree with most of this, although part of that lifetime record is more a reflection on the teams.

I think the Jordan rumors are just that. He was recently fired, has ties to the Kings and we just fired our coach. Media speculation at its best.

I think that we will find someone over this summer more in the Petrie mold. NBA experience, very strong technically, players coach with a softer personality seems to be Petrie's MO (based on Adelman, Stan Van Gundy, and Shaw at least). I think Shaw could be a possibility again. Flip Saunders could fit, although he's not my first choice. Thibodeau I believe does, but I do not know too much about his personality.
 
Sptsjunkie said:
I think the reason for letting him go has more to do with behind the scenes issues. Having Natt coach will keep some consistency with the players in terms of style, but we are not going to be a good team this year regardless of who is coaching. However, Theus has always struck me as very stubborn and has even called out the management to the press in the past (regarding having his types of players). My guess is that he was butting heads with management, wasn't playing the players he should have been, etc. As long as Natt spends more time developing the young players and doesn't stop the linning this move should work out just fine.

Of much bigger concern is what coach do we pick up in the offseason.
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I think this is pretty much the situation. Or hope it is. There were two reasons Reggie could have been fired -- 1) because he was a stubborn *** who repeatedly bucked management and refused to commit to the rebuild; or 2) because he wasn't "winning" enough and our owners can't hold their water and were as usual convinced we should be winning 60 so it must be the coach's fault we were losing. If its #1 -- that makes sense. I agree with that and Natt should be coaching for the rebuild the way the bosses want. If its #2...well then we are still idiots.
 
Bricklayer said:
I think this is pretty much the situation. Or hope it is. There were two reasons Reggie could have been fired -- 1) because he was a stubborn *** who repeatedly bucked management and refused to commit to the rebuild; or 2) because he wasn't "winning" enough and our owners can't hold their water and were as usual convinced we should be winning 60 so it must be the coach's fault we were losing. If its #1 -- that makes sense. I agree with that and Natt should be coaching for the rebuild the way the bosses want. If its #2...well then we are still idiots.
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Agreed, and let's all just hope it's not #2 or else we might see Hawes and JT shipped out instead of Brad and John. I can just see the Maloofs at a press conference introducing Shawn Marion and Corey Maggette and talking about why first round picks are overrated.
 
Bricklayer said:
He basically rebuilt the Wolves. Or just built them since they weren't anything before he was there.
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I thought he did pretty well with Minnesota given the crap that they had other than KG, and going to the WCF with KG/Spree/Cassell was pretty impressive.

I was surprised, though, at how quickly things went south in Detroit. Even before he was fired there was a lot of turmoil. He wasn't exactly dealing with the most sane players in the NBA, but it was kind of strange to see.

Avery or Flip, though -- I'd be perfectly happy. But it's really a discussion for the offseason.
 
Do anyone you ever wonder "what if" Stan Van Gundy had taken the Kings job? Would we be a playoff team or still rebuilding? Would Artest still be on the team? Would he still be the coach? I don't like the play the "what if", but I really do wonder what it would have been like with him as the coach instead of Theus (and if Donovan would still be coaching the Magic if he hadn't backed out of the deal).
 
I miss the days when Joe and Gavin and Mark Cuban were always mentioned in the same sentence. Where has the fun gone? All these professionals are either ****ty at their job or too professional for their own and our own good, mainly PETRIE. Petrie has built a decent reputation, but he has done the exact opposite of my beliefs for the past 4 years. the rundown of how i felt AT THE TIME

Drafting Martin was decent and i wasn't against it
drafting Garcia was a sorry attempt at nothing
I cannot say i would have drafted douby, or Garcia
Trading Bibby was very ok
Trading Ron was very ok
Extending FA MLE contracts to Mikki Moore and SAR, was not a valid perscription IMO
Extending MARTIN was not bad or good
Extending Garcia was not good
Extending Beno would have never crossed my mind for that kind of money.

Altogether, I would have done things about 70% different. And i think most knowledgable fans feel the same way. Petrie doesn't like his contract, and hates sacramento, imo. I could run this team's front office and coach, and i would actually ask players before the game if they are going to try hard that game, and i would relay the info to fans who want to make money betting on the game. I wouldn't care about the wins, just the spread. I would tell players that the more money they win me over a few games, the more PT those individuals would get. It truely takes a unique individual to manage an NBA franchise, and the kings have none.
 
Reggie was fired because....

Reggie was fired becase he did his own thing, and rolled his eyes to Petrie and the rest of management. also it just dawned on me that he should have hired a more experenced assistant head coach...

He struggled with the lineups...
He began to fall in line with finally taking Moore out of the starting lineup. However it was a move that should have been made after Moore pulled down 4 boards in 4 games to start the season.

He also didnt play Thompson enough right after Moore was put on the bench. Again this is just common sense that you'd find a way to get your stud 1st round pick and obviously the better of the 2 on the floor for 30mins a game.

He couldnt run an efficient offense...
Our offense was as smooth as riding in a car with 2 tires blown out. Players weren't spacing out well, and their wasn't enough movement without the ball. Our team is still built to run the princeton offense that Rick A. used to run and just sucked in the system (or lack of a system)that Reggie was using. The pick and roll is Millers bread and butter but it hasn't looked the same since Rick A was fired.

He was unable to improve or teach defense or just motivate them to play tougher defense...
He obviously isn't a natural defensive specialist and it showed. He failed the worst on defense because this was an area we all were going to give him some leeway. We all expected it to be kinda bad but not to this degree our perimeter defense was just terrible, the worst i've ever seen.

Most importantly...
We just werent as scrappy
 
FakeInjury said:
drafting Garcia was a sorry attempt at nothing
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Wow.

Petrie doesn't like his contract, and hates sacramento, imo.
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Double Wow.

I could run this team's front office and coach, and i would actually ask players before the game if they are going to try hard that game, and i would relay the info to fans who want to make money betting on the game. I wouldn't care about the wins, just the spread. I would tell players that the more money they win me over a few games, the more PT those individuals would get.
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Quadruple Wow with an Aaaagida-aaaagida-aaaagida-aaaagida.

It truely takes a unique individual to manage an NBA franchise, and the kings have none.
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Yes, but a unique individual trying to run the team based on the gambling line might end up real good friends with Tim Donaghy.
 
Vlade4GM said:
I think the should've just let him go at the end of the season, he has been getting us lins.
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Lins are important, but our future shall depend more on the development of the kids and the moves management makes, instead of minor difference in the final record.

Don't get me wrong. I am not against more ping-pong balls. I also did think that the team (even without Martin) is slightly better than the current record indicates, and in that way, the lins were welcome.

What is not welcome though is the kind of losses. We are consistently getting blown out. We often have more turnovers than assists, and a vet like Bobby feels that the effort and passion is lacking. A young, rebuilding team should not be lacking in effort and passion, and there needs to be some accountability for it as well as turnovers.

If the new coach is able to instill some structure, discipline and effort (like demanding fewer turnovers from Beno, or fewer three point shots from Brad/Hawes), while also getting time for the kids, it shall serve us better in the long term, even if we accumulate some wosses in the process.

The main responsibility lies with Geoff though, to clean up the roster of vets, and collect more valuable pieces for the future.
 
Bricklayer said:
Um...what?

As an asideI'm not sure you want to be mentioend in the same breath as Mark "insider trading" Cuban.
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Petrie is playing the slowest game of chess ever. He either is doing just that, or wants to be fired. Either way, he is taking his sweet time, all the while extending where expendable and trading any semblance of talent. Sounds like he lost "the vision". Steve Kerr, always available to the fans of PHX, always explaining his reasons in very decent terms. "I wanted shaq, I got him, fire me if it don't work." Petrie spent 1/2 of shaq on Beno and Garcia.......WTF
 
I can't believe people are actually taking FakeInjury seriously. I mean, he even admitted to not being a serious poster a while back.

You same some funny, funny things, man.
 
What the hell? I am being very serious about Petrie wanting to leave. I don't trust Petrie as far as I can throw him was my earlier point. Honestly, I endorse Isiah Thomas today, and I want to know who is with me!
 
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I have not voted in new coach poll in another thread, but here's my take on that list:

E. Jordan - Actually met him once at Nordstrom's where he was buying some shirts (classy cuff link style) and he was not very friendly or classy - unlike Reggie Theus who had a ready smile and pleasant disposition. Never impressed me as an NBA coach either. Grade D

F. Saunders - Has been surrounded by a lot of excellent talent on several teams, but not sure he fits in Sac as an underachiever overall in his NBA coaching career. Grade C

PJ Carlesimo - We're joking (or is it chocking) right?! Grade F

A. Johnson - Overrated IMO, plus I can't stand his little weasel voice. Grade D

J.V. Gundy - His brother is a WAY better, more dynamic NBA head coach IMO. Jeff's defense first style is okay, but what offensive strategy is there, except walk it up EC style in boring, tedious repetition. Grade D

M. Fratello - Whoever game him the nickname "the Czar" must have been drunk. A lot like J.V. Gundy, except meaner in a control freak way and not a players coach. Surely not under consideration here or anywhere in the NBA coaching ranks. Grade F

P. Silas - Very even tempered, maybe to nice. Solid credentials, but it seems everything he's done in the NBA looks so much better as a player than as head coach. Grade C

E. Turner - Nice guy, solid coaching credentials as long-time NBA assistant. Seriously doubt Maloof's would entertain him for a second since it would be almost like saying they should have stuck with Adelman. Grade C

T. Thibodeau - An extremely bright assistant who has been coaching around the NBA for 20 years and has seen it all. Considered a defensive genius and deserves lots of praise. The only question is can he be the leader with with all his specialized coaching talent generating something special. Grade B

B. Shaw - No one questions his skills as a solid assistant coach. Seems to be a head coach in waiting, but much like Thibodeau can he succeed at the top. Grade B

K. Rambis - I am not all that impressed with Rambis as a coach. Seems okay as an assistant, but kind of like the Peter Principle I wonder if that role is highest level suited for him - not head coach of an NBA team. Grade D

S. Mitchell - Seems like a decent guy, just like Mike Woodson and Reggie Theus are all decent guys. Problem is, Mitchell had quite a bit more talent than Reggie ever had in Sac, or Woodson had in Atlanta until recently. They all three played together at various times on the same NBA team during their careers. I wonder what Theus might have done with the talent those other buddies had. Woodson seems the luckiest at this point, but there's nothing that really says he's a better coach than the other two. Grade C

Doug Collins - No one has brought up his name and I don't know if he'd consider the job. Has everything you want in a head coach. Knows the pro game inside out, can deal with media, tough minded but fair, some say was Phil Jackson, before Phil Jackson. Grade B

That's IMHO for now for this list... Surely there's an "A" out their somewhere.
 
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I would have liked to see yourtakes on K-Abdul-Jabbar and KJ The Mayor. possibly an Isaih Thomas. Other than missing a few, thanks.
 
Thanks to Reggie for his efforts. Something had to be done but now the Maloofs may leave such decisions to GP and we can get going again. Kenny is very good but we shall see how well he can work with the pieces to the puzzle. Don't think Kenny has the ego that Reggie had by a long shot.

It is what it is. Schedule is tough rest of month with 7 or 9 playoff teams and a 4 game road trip.

Best wishes to KN. I wish him success.
 
cruzdude said:
thanks To Reggie For His Efforts. Something Had To Be Done But Now The Maloofs May Leave Such Decisions To Gp And We Can Get Going Again. Kenny Is Very Good But We Shall See How Well He Can Work With The Pieces To The Puzzle. Don't Think Kenny Has The Ego That Reggie Had By A Long Shot.

It Is What It Is. Schedule Is Tough Rest Of Month With 7 Or 9 Playoff Teams And A 4 Game Road Trip.

Best Wishes To Kn. I Wish Him Success.
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Yes!
 
i was not a fan of reggie. he kept winning even though it hurt our draft status. hopeflly maloofs finally learned the lesson and let petrie do his job.
 
PurpleHaze said:
I have not voted in new coach poll in another thread, but here's my take on that list:


T. Thibodeau - An extremely bright assistant who has been coaching around the NBA for 20 years and has seen it all. Considered a defensive genius and deserves lots of praise. The only question is can he be the leader with with all his specialized coaching talent generating something special. Grade B

B. Shaw - No one questions his skills as a solid assistant coach. Seems to be a head coach in waiting, but much like Thibodeau can he succeed at the top. Grade B


That's IMHO for now for this list... Surely there's an "A" out their somewhere.
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I think either of these two could be a good fit. I think both of them can be fine as long as they can swallow their pride more than Muss or Theus and bring in some experience assistants and former head coaches to help them. Thibodeau in particular is a defensive specialist who could be a wonderful head coach, but would be best served by brining in an offensive specialist to serve as his lead assistant. A combination of TT as head coach and Flip Saunders as an assistant for example would be fantastic.
 
any links to any audio interviews with either Petrie, Maloofs, or Reggie???
 
Bad move that looks bad to other potential coaches. The Maloofs continually undermine coaches through the media.

Maloofs are going to be seen, over the course of time, as the golden calf that turned into a diseased goat.

This is not a playoff team. I saw improvement from the youth, which is all you would ask for. Reggie was under pressure to win, which is against using youth. We lost a lot of close games from lack of high end NBA experience, which will give a coach under pressure hesitation to using his youth. Still, the youth showed growth and all the wing players improved under Theus. Salmons, Martin and Garcia are all better players now than they were previously. You can attest Martin to his own drive and skill, but Garcia and Salmons really stepped up a level that didn't even seem to be there before.

Now potential coaches see the Kings as a bad, young team that has management which undermines the coach and fires them based on skewed expectations.

Let's not forget this team's tendancy to only play up for games that will get them attention, something that started with Artest, who was acquired by the Maloofs will.
 
how much of thibodeau's success do you guys think is actually him, and how much the personnel he's had (i think he was in houston before boston, right?)?? :confused:
 
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