Boston perspective on Rondo trade rumors

DMC/Rondo pick and roll would be unstoppable, cousins is getting 23-11 on 49% shooting with nate robinson playing pg. He will put up monster numbers with rondo and our defense will improve.

Rondos usage rate last 3 seasons 18.12, 17.55, and 17.11 compared to IT this year at 21. This is a risk I think we should take for 3 reasons

1.) rondo/DMC/gay is elite and we could be a playoff team next year while using the 30 games this year as warm up.

2.) He is good friends with Rudy and I could see him getting along with cousins. They both love to win and have that Kentucky connection

3.) Most importantly Robdo won't turn down max money from us. This could be his last big contract and his previous contract was average ( I think the toltal was 50mill for
4 years). He can't turn away 18-20mill extra it's not smart.
 
Entity said:
I suppose Chicago would give up both their mid teen first rounders for complete rights to our top 10. Maybe put in stipulation that out of the three picks they get the top pick. We then have two first rounders to trade to Boston
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Clever. And possible. I have liked the idea of dealing with Chicago to unencumber that pick ever since they acquired it.
 
Check this out, folks.

An hour ago...
26. Boston Celtics (19-35; last week's ranking: 26): Source said Sacramento offered Isaiah Thomas, Ben McLemore and two picks for Rajon Rondo. Rondo wasn’t interested in re-signing with Sacramento.
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Five minutes ago...
26. Boston Celtics (19-35; last week's ranking: 26): Source said Kings and C's discussed a deal involving Isaiah Thomas, Ben McLemore and a pick for Rajon Rondo, but Rondo wasn't interested in re-signing with Sacramento and the Kings strongly value McLemore.
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Source: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba-po...-going-post-all-star-break-010802982-nba.html
 
Cuz will make $15 mil, if Gay re-signs I would suspect he would want the same as Cuz, and then sign Rondo to a bigger contract than he has now and what do we have? Then we would have 10 more players. Can this be done? I think I know the answer and am not going to do the math.
 
Glenn said:
Cuz will make $15 mil, if Gay re-signs I would suspect he would want the same as Cuz, and then sign Rondo to a bigger contract than he has now and what do we have? Then we would have 10 more players. Can this be done? I think I know the answer and am not going to do the math.
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Miami did it.
 
LPKingsFan said:
Sounds like Vivek must have called up Spears to set him straight! ;)
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he should have included IT along with Ben.. imagine how IT feels right now.. they might have discussed it before hand, who knows? Maybe it explains a few of those bad games from IT.
 
fanop said:
he should have included IT along with Ben.. imagine how IT feels right now.. they might have discussed it before hand, who knows? Maybe it explains a few of those bad games from IT.
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Unless -GASP- the team doesn't think very highly of IT.
 
Then again is there any play that would garantee a re- sign a year and a half away? Especially to a team and coach he has never played for? That is asking a lot. Or is it they want him to sign extension now? Then again I point to a team and coach he has never played for. That maybe asking a lot of rondo
 
I'm seeing murmurs about Toronto also being interested in Rondo. Anybody consider the possibility Masai and Pete D. have another buddy buddy moment and somehow conjure up a 3 team deal that sends Rondo to Toronto, Lowery to Sac, and Some of our assets (IT, BMac, Picks) to Boston...or some form of that at least. Becoming a sort of facilitator could mean giving up less in a deal.
 
Kings Faithful said:
I'm seeing murmurs about Toronto also being interested in Rondo. Anybody consider the possibility Masai and Pete D. have another buddy buddy moment and somehow conjure up a 3 team deal that sends Rondo to Toronto, Lowery to Sac, and Some of our assets (IT, BMac, Picks) to Boston...or some form of that at least. Becoming a sort of facilitator could mean giving up less in a deal.
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Its possible but as Brick said, the sort of package we reportedly put out for Rondo, we are unlikely to give up for Lowry.

I don't think we trade our first rounder for Lowry, especially considering he is a free agent on 3 months. I am pretty sure he cannot sign an extension now. Just like we cannot sign one with IT.
 
Kings Faithful said:
I'm seeing murmurs about Toronto also being interested in Rondo. Anybody consider the possibility Masai and Pete D. have another buddy buddy moment and somehow conjure up a 3 team deal that sends Rondo to Toronto, Lowery to Sac, and Some of our assets (IT, BMac, Picks) to Boston...or some form of that at least. Becoming a sort of facilitator could mean giving up less in a deal.
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Would gladly swap IT and Williams for Lowry, Toronto can pay the difference in value between Lowry due for extension and ROndo signed for one more year to Boston.
 
I'd make them go either or. Ben Mac and one pick or two picks not all three if all three must take Thornton. Which would have to be like that anyway to make salaries work.
 
Čarolija said:
Its possible but as Brick said, the sort of package we reportedly put out for Rondo, we are unlikely to give up for Lowry.

I don't think we trade our first rounder for Lowry, especially considering he is a free agent on 3 months. I am pretty sure he cannot sign an extension now. Just like we cannot sign one with IT.
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That is kind of what I'm getting at though... Instead of the deal mentioned above where we are giving up a lot..we might see something like this.

Boston Receives
Isaiah Thomas
Jason Thompson
1st from Kings
1st from Raptors

Kings Receive
Kyle Lowery ( If he will resign)

Raptors Receive
Rajon Rondo

Theres a million other ways this trade could be configured but it seems fair at its core IMO.
 
Kings Faithful said:
That is kind of what I'm getting at though... Instead of the deal mentioned above where we are giving up a lot..we might see something like this.

Boston Receives
Isaiah Thomas
Jason Thompson
1st from Kings
1st from Raptors

Kings Receive
Kyle Lowery ( If he will resign)

Raptors Receive
Rajon Rondo

Theres a million other ways this trade could be configured but it seems fair at its core IMO.
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The Raptors make off like pirates with that move. Their first round pick would be in the late 20's and gettng Rondo solidifies them as the 3rd team in the east. Meanwhile the Kings trade a top -7 pick, a good third big man, and one of their more valuable trade assets right now for a guy who we can't sign to an extension right now


Then again, the pick wouldn't be coming from the Kings until 2017
 
Kings Faithful said:
That is kind of what I'm getting at though... Instead of the deal mentioned above where we are giving up a lot..we might see something like this.

Boston Receives
Isaiah Thomas
Jason Thompson
1st from Kings
1st from Raptors

Kings Receive
Kyle Lowery ( If he will resign)

Raptors Receive
Rajon Rondo

Theres a million other ways this trade could be configured but it seems fair at its core IMO.
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I don't think the Kings trade all that for Lowry.

As mentioned, the problem with Lowry is that you cannot extend him now since he is a pending free agent. You are taking a huge gamble on his word that he will re-sign with us.

With Rondo, he can actually sign extension now so he does NOT become a free agent after next season which is what we wanted him to do before we pulled the trigger. If we are unwilling to give up that much for a year and a bit or Rondo, we are not giving up anything similar for 20 odd games of Lowry ;)
 
Interesting, how now Spears article reads "Isaiah Thomas, Ben McLemore and a pick". Since it's not a "swap of picks" (Kings can't deal the pick straight up), does it mean we are talking about 2nd rounder in 2015? No way you not deal for Rondo then, or this rumor is BS and just a re-hash of two months old one.
 
Gilles said:
Interesting, how now Spears article reads "Isaiah Thomas, Ben McLemore and a pick". Since it's not a "swap of picks" (Kings can't deal the pick straight up), does it mean we are talking about 2nd rounder in 2015? No way you not deal for Rondo then, or this rumor is BS and just a re-hash of two months old one.
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The pick makes all the difference in the world.
 
If Rondo doesn't want to come then he doesn't want to come.. I don't want an a-hole player just playing out his contract here and not trying.
 
Kings Faithful said:
That is kind of what I'm getting at though... Instead of the deal mentioned above where we are giving up a lot..we might see something like this.

Boston Receives
Isaiah Thomas
Jason Thompson
1st from Kings
1st from Raptors

Kings Receive
Kyle Lowery ( If he will resign)

Raptors Receive
Rajon Rondo

Theres a million other ways this trade could be configured but it seems fair at its core IMO.
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We can get Kyle Lowry AND keep our players and pick. He's going to be an unrestricted free agent after this season meaning we can just go after him in the off season. That's way too much for Kyle Lowry anyways. He's probably worth Isaiah Thomas and D-Will.
 
IMO I doubt extension would be discussed.. What are you going to extend a guy to til you definitively know the state of his game/health post injury?
The situation of him not wanting to play here is like the Iggy situation. It is easy to look at it as insulting but this is a competitive veteran and we are dead last in the west
 
The message buried in the tweets is that the Kings were offering IT and Ben plus picks but weren't willing to take the risk of Rondo not re-signing because they highly valued Ben and weren't willing to lose him on a Don Quixote like attempt at wooing Rondo in re-signing. To me that means they were willing to lose the picks and IT but not Ben. Too much of a risk. IT can't feel good about that. The FO apparently doesn't agree with a lot of us who see Ben as disposable and IT as part of the Big 3. The FO doesn't agree. Ben >> IT

If I were the FO I wouldn't have shared that info as, although it might reassure Ben, it sure doesn't make IT feel good. I find this interesting.

I presume others will not agree with my interpretation.
 
Glenn said:
The message buried in the tweets is that the Kings were offering IT and Ben plus picks but weren't willing to take the risk of Rondo not re-signing because they highly valued Ben and weren't willing to lose him on a Don Quixote like attempt at wooing Rondo in re-signing. To me that means they were willing to lose the picks and IT but not Ben. Too much of a risk. IT can't feel good about that. The FO apparently doesn't agree with a lot of us who see Ben as disposable and IT as part of the Big 3. The FO doesn't agree. Ben >> IT

If I were the FO I wouldn't have shared that info as, although it might reassure Ben, it sure doesn't make IT feel good. I find this interesting.

I presume others will not agree with my interpretation.
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I don't think our FO is the ones who leaked this. Its more likely an attempt by Boston to conjuring an exorbitant value for Rondo.. "SEE THIS WE TURNED DOWN SACS OFFER! RONDO IS WAY TOO GOOD FOR THAT GARBAGE."
 
Actually this rumor says both teams agreed on some type of deal in principal, but Kings wanted a promise of extension or an actual one (not sure, if it is available in the middle of the season).
 
Gilles said:
Actually this rumor says both teams agreed on some type of deal in principal, but Kings wanted a promise of extension or an actual one (not sure, if it is available in the middle of the season).
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Promise of an extension? I just read that he didn't want to re-sign. Maybe the FO just wanted to hear he was open to the idea of staying and he said he wasnt
 
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