Bonzi Wells(s&t), and Kenny Thomas to ????

[nbrans]

^I like it better for the Kings, but there is no reason Phoenix would do that. You're taking the one area they're weakest in--interior defense--and making it much worse.

 

[Kings113]

Suns don't care much about defense and want small-ballings.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Why in the world would Boston trade Delonte West? He's a five-tool guy, and arguably their second-best player

 

[Smills91]

I know this deal is a stretch, but I just want to throw it out there... BUT this is JUST for fun...

Milwaukee trades:
Jamaal Magloire(8.3 million expiring)
Ersan Ilyasova(665,000 expiring)
future 2nd round pick

Milwaukee receives:
Kenny Thomas(6.7 million)
Jason Hart(1.5 expiring)
Francisco Garcia (1.1 million)

Phoenix trades:
Shawn Marion (15 million)
Kurt Thomas (7.4 million)

Phoenix receives:
Bonzi Wells (7.5 million dollars)
Jamaal Magloire (8.3 million expiring)
Ersan Ilyasova(665,000 expiring)
Corliss Williamson (6.5 million expiring)


Kings trade:
Bonzi Wells sign and trade (5 years 41.5 million dollars starting salary about 7.5 million dollars more or less)
Corliss Williams (6.5 million expiring)
Kenny Thomas (6.7 million)
Jason Hart (1.5 million expiring)
Francisco Garcia (1.1 million)

Kings receive:
Shawn Marion(15 million)
Kurt Thomas(7.4 million)
future 2nd round pick

Why for Milwaukee...they add depth at their two weakest positions PF and PG and get their young defensive swingman to D it up.

Why for Phoenix...well, they decide against paying the luxury tax. They add 3 expiring deals netting slightly over 15 million dollars( basically equal to Marion contract.) they're also able to replace both Marion and thomas in their line-up with Bonzi and Magloire for next season to improve their overall defense and rebounding. I know this is the stretch of the deal, but if Phoenix is really considering moving Marion to get under the tax threshold, this may be as good a deal as any.

Why for Sacramento: They get what they need in their frontcourt. Marion brings athleticism and shotblocking to the 3-4 position. Thomas would be a nice bench piece behind Miller.

Overall line-ups:

Phoenix:
C:Jamaal Magloire, Pat Burke
PF: Amare Stoudemire, Corliss Williamson, Ersan Ilyasova
SF: Boris Diaw, James Jones, Eric Piatkowski
SG: Bonzi Wells, Raja Bell, Leo Barbosa
PG: Steve Nash, Marcus Banks

Phoenix has a lot of versatility with this line-up. They can play SMALL ball with Amare at Center and Boris at PF, Bonzi at SF and Raja/Leo at SG or BIG ball with the line-up posted and have Raja/Marcus coming off the bench. This would allow the Suns to be at least 8-9 deep and be able to play the match-up game with other teams.

Milwaukee:
C:Andrew Bogut, Dan Gadzuric
PF:Charlie Villanueva, Kenny Thomas, Joe Smith
SF: Bobby Simmons, Francisco Garcia, David Noel
SG: Michael Redd, Charlie Bell
PG: Maurice Williams, Jason Hart, Lynn Greer

Milwaukee gets there defensive stud behind Simmons and Redd who is young with a lot of potential. Kenny Thomas makes the Bucks a MUCH better rebounding team in losing Magloire and gives them a veteran presence for the younger Villanueva(when he struggles). Hart provides depth in the backcourt and is expiring.

Sacramento:
C: Brad Miller, Kurt Thomas, Vitaly Potapenko
PF: Shawn Marion, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Justin Williams
SF: Ron Artest, John Salmons, Louis Amundson
SG: Kevin Martin, Quincy Douby
PG: Mike Bibby, Ronnie Price, Eugene "Pooh" Jeter

Kings look a lot like the suns in terms of versatility. Many players can play 2 or more positions on this squad allowing Musselman the oppurtunity to be creative with match-ups.

 

[JJ22L]

part of me says ...we already have a 6'7" powerforward

but most of me says get er done- anything that involves a S&T with Bonzi at this point im all for as long as we get SOMETHING in return...hes a valuable piece that i dont want to let get away...almost 100% sure he will though at this point

If you can make it somehow where we can get kurt thomas and magloire i would be 100% in...dont know if salaries match though. Getting rid of KT is delicious...get er done petrie

 

[hammystyle]

If you can make it somehow where we can get kurt thomas and magloire i would be 100% in...dont know if salaries match though. Getting rid of KT is delicious...get er done petrie

So you'd rather have Magloire than Marion? That's weird.

I know its just for fun, but that doesn't help Phoenix's defense or rebounding. They trade away the two best defenders and the best rebounder.

 

[JJ22L]

So you'd rather have Magloire than Marion? That's weird.

I know its just for fun, but that doesn't help Phoenix's defense or rebounding. They trade away the two best defenders and the best rebounder.

No- your right i was broad...i'd rather not get rid of garcia...but we dont NEED marion, sure it would be awesome to have him- but we need a damn center/lane clogger...if we can turn around and trade him or some other sg/sf we have 10000 off for one then bring it- he would be amazing trade bait..but i dunno..nevermind.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

TDOS.....................

just get rid of KT.. along w/ his attitude and bring in a defense big. i'm content w/ this offseason.

 

[NoBonus]

Couldn't Bonzi sign with another team and be traded to the Kings in a sign and trade?

 

[e'tinas]

Couldn't Bonzi sign with another team and be traded to the Kings in a sign and trade?

It is too early to be drinking.

 

[NoBonus]

It is too early to be drinking.

Sorry... just an early morning daze...

 

[venom_7]

The Bucks and the Rockets are the only teams that might be interested in both of these players. Wait, scratch that. The Wizards would be too, and the Knicks would be, but then again, when are they not interested in a player? I really could see a deal with the Rockets, but they don't have anybody I want.

 

[DaMan]

The Bucks and the Rockets are the only teams that might be interested in both of these players. Wait, scratch that. The Wizards would be too, and the Knicks would be, but then again, when are they not interested in a player? I really could see a deal with the Rockets, but they don't have anybody I want.

I agree, i think the rockets are the front runners right now i would think. But the problem is that they have nobody that would truely interset us. But when thinking about it there is a deal that could be made with the rockets. This deal would be something like the deal sar could have gotten with the nets. The rockets would trade their trade exp, which is almost the same amount as the mil i think 4.2 and their future first rounder (lottery protected) for Bonzi who will most likely be getting 48 to 50 million in this deal. I really don't know the details of a trade like this maybe somebody else who better understood the money side of the NBA would explain it, maybe brick or somebody that knows the sar and nj situation could. The only reason i see a deal like this not going down is if Bonzi thinks 48 or 50 million is to small for player such as himself.

 

[ParniValjak]

We will do a sign and trade with Bonzi only if

a) we are getting back in return something that is just too good to refuse (highly unlikely to happen)
b) we are getting a draft pick and a large trade exception for Bonzi (unlikely yo happen)
c) We get back salaries but it also allows us to dump some of our bad contracts in the process and still remain under the luxury tax (also unlikely)

Denver could be interested in Bonzi but they would be looking to dump Martin's contract somewhere so there is still an extremely slight chance that we could do a sign and trade for Bonzi.

 

[DaMan]

We will do a sign and trade with Bonzi only if

a) we are getting back in return something that is just too good to refuse (highly unlikely to happen)
b) we are getting a draft pick and a large trade exception for Bonzi (unlikely yo happen)
c) We get back salaries but it also allows us to dump some of our bad contracts in the process and still remain under the luxury tax (also unlikely)

Denver could be interested in Bonzi but they would be looking to dump Martin's contract somewhere so there is still an extremely slight chance that we could do a sign and trade for Bonzi.

As I said before, b could happen with the rockets.

 

[Rowdyone]

Wouldn't the simplest way out of the situation be to sign Bonzi to a one year contract in the neighborhood of $7-8 million, the same as last year? We then have until Jan to trade him...keep him all year... or S&T next year when a whole new situation evolves for the entire league. He's merely postponing his FA and last contract one year (which will actually make it easier for him to get a 4 year deal than 5) and we have his services/tradeability for one more year.

 

[Troy]

Wouldn't the simplest way out of the situation be to sign Bonzi to a one year contract in the neighborhood of $7-8 million, the same as last year? We then have until Jan to trade him...keep him all year... or S&T next year when a whole new situation evolves for the entire league. He's merely postponing his FA and last contract one year (which will actually make it easier for him to get a 4 year deal than 5) and we have his services/tradeability for one more year.

I love what Bonzi brought the to the Kings, but we are very close to the cap and the Maloofs want to stay under it so we don't have the $ to pay him 7-8M. We paid Salmons 5M for 5 years which was 2M less a year than we were willing to give to Bonzi.

 

[hearns]

If Vince is going to opt out next year, I don't think the Nets give him a max contract, so it's an idea:

NETS:
Outgoing
Vince Carter
Incoming
Bonzi Wells (S&T 8 mill/year)
Kenny Thomas

BOBCATS:
Outgoing:
2007 1st round pick
Incoming:
Vince Carter

KINGS:
Outgoing:
Bonzi Wells
Kenny Thomas
Incoming
2007 1st round from CHA

 

[Sac.Kings]

We trade away Bonzi and KT for a first round pick? No thanks. I want KT gone, but him and Bonzi for a lousy 1 round pick is not what i had in mind. Charlotte somehow gets Carter with just a first round pick--I don't think so.

 

[Bricklayer]

We trade away Bonzi and KT for a first round pick? No thanks. I want KT gone, but him and Bonzi for a lousy 1 round pick is not what i had in mind. Charlotte somehow gets Carter with just a first round pick--I don't think so.

I think the bigger issue is just that Charlotte likely wouldn't want any part of Carter -- they have both Wallace and Morrison at those 2/3 spots (although both are really 3's), and getting expensive vets hasn't been how they've built. Especially given Carter's prima donna performance the last time he was in a losing situation (although his contract status might assure a legit effort at least for a year).

As for us...yeah sure, love to get more. But as it stands right now, we are preparing to lose Bonzi for nothing, and that oh so "flexible" KT contract has zilch value on the open market. So if you manage to snag a first round pick, very possibly still in the lottery despite Carter's presence in CHA, its like getting something for nothing.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

if we dont keep bonzi, i want to see a s&t Bonzi+KT for Grant Hill OR Jalen Rose. We get back a huge expiring contract and along with our current expiring contracts, we would free up alot cap space

Hill~17mil
Williamson~6.5mil
Potapenko~3.7mil
Hart~1.7mil

this would give us ~29mil in cap room

DO IT!!!

Okay here's a little tweak to my aforementioned deal...maybe it's better, maybe it's worse. It's a three-way between Bos/Phx/Sac:

Phoenix trades:
Kurt Thomas

Phoenix receives:
Brian Scalabrine(you know he'll pull a diaw with Nash!) - maybe that's a stretch lol
Brian Grant(Boston still pays salary - expiring)
Tony Allen
Vitaly Potapanko(expiring)

Why for Phoenix...they get some salary cap relief in the 5 million dollars of expiring between Grant and Potapenko(to go with some rental size) and get a nice young prospect in Tony Allen. This effectively is a cheap way to fill out their roster with better talent than what would be found in summer leagues. Scalabrine would seem to be a nice fit in Phoenix. Mostly though it evens out there roster.

Boston trades:
Delonte West
Tony Allen
Brian Scalabrine
Dwayne Jones
Brian Grant

Boston receives:
Bonzi Wells via sign and trade (5 years 40 million dollars)
Jason Hart

Why for Boston, they only really give up West. The rest is just a bunch of marginal talent(along with moving Scalabrine's deal)and in return for that they get a legitimate starter who can compete with Pierce NOW who brings toughness and tenacity and hustle to the team along with the ability to rebound and score in bunches. Hart adds veteran PG depth who excelled on the east coast with Charlotte two seasons ago and has an expiring deal.

Sacramento trades:
Bonzi Wells (sign and trade - 5 years 40 million dollars)
Vitaly Potapenko
Jason Hart(expiring)

Sacramento Receives:
Kurt Thomas
Delonte West
Dwayne Jones

Why for Sacramento:

get a young back-up PG in west and a defensive post presence in Kurt Thomas.

Boston Roster after trade:

C: Kendrick Perkins, Theo Ratliff
PF: Al Jefferson, Ryan Gomes, Leon Powe
SF: Bonzi Wells, Wally Szczerbiak
SG: Paul Pierce, Gerald Green, Allan Ray
PG: Sebastian Telfair, Rajon Rondo, Jason Hart

Phoenix Roster after trade:

C: Amare Stoudemire, Vitaly Potapenko, Pat Burke
PF:Shawn Marion, Brian Scalabrine, Brian Grant
SF: Boris Diaw, James Jones, Eric Piatkowski
SG: Raja Bell, Leo Barbosa, Tony Allen
PG: Steve Nash, Marcus Banks

Sacramento Roster after trade:

C: Brad Miller, Kurt Thomas, Dwayne Jones
PF: Kenny Thomas, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Louis Amundson
SF: Ron Artest, Francisco Garcia, Corliss Williamson
SG: Kevin Martin, Quincy Douby
PG: Mike Bibby, Delonte West, Ronnie Price

dsaf

wassup with the obsession over west? we supposedly have 2 undersized sgs in price and douby. i like the other guys trade of thomas and wells to NY for jalen rose. huge salary dump next year. we'd definitely be under the cap. not sure how much but we'd definitely be under the cap and be a player in FA

Wouldn't the simplest way out of the situation be to sign Bonzi to a one year contract in the neighborhood of $7-8 million, the same as last year? We then have until Jan to trade him...keep him all year... or S&T next year when a whole new situation evolves for the entire league. He's merely postponing his FA and last contract one year (which will actually make it easier for him to get a 4 year deal than 5) and we have his services/tradeability for one more year.

dude, the 1,2,3 is jam packed with players like sardines in a can. someone is going to be pissed they're not getting playing time.

If Vince is going to opt out next year, I don't think the Nets give him a max contract, so it's an idea:

NETS:
Outgoing
Vince Carter
Incoming
Bonzi Wells (S&T 8 mill/year)
Kenny Thomas

BOBCATS:
Outgoing:
2007 1st round pick
Incoming:
Vince Carter

KINGS:
Outgoing:
Bonzi Wells
Kenny Thomas
Incoming
2007 1st round from CHA

i'd do that in a heartbeat. something for nothing

 

[chaps]

You apparently have a rather inflated opinion of Lamar -- a player I generally like BTW (and thought several years ago might have made a decent Webb replacement as the high post PF).

Remember the Bonzi 40 min splits from yesterday? 16.8pts 9.7rebs 3.5ast 2.3stl etc.?

Lamar Odom last year:
40.3min 14.8pts (.481 .372 .690) 9.2rebs 5.5ast 0.9stl 0.8blk

And that's before we even get to which of those players is the type of competitor that you want on your side when the going gets tough in the playoffs.

Lamar's a good player, but he's right there in that same class of guys that we always have -- the Bibbys, Millers, Pejas, Reefs, Bonzis. Guys who might sneak into an All-Star game at some point, but otherwise are just talented major minute players.

So if a player sees garbage time and scores a bucket in the only minute he was in the game. Is he a 96 ppg scorer?

 

[Bricklayer]

So if a player sees garbage time and scores a bucket in the only minute he was in the game. Is he a 96 ppg scorer?

Because quite obviously comparing two 30+min starters by normalizing their minutes to get a truer picture necessarily inspires idiotic questions right?

 

[6th]

Because quite obviously comparing two 30+min starters by normalizing their minutes to get a truer picture necessarily inspires idiotic questions right?

C'mon Brickie. It was a joke, I am sure. Actually, I thought it was pretty funny.