Bonzi, our 20-10 guy?

[CruzDude]

Took a glance at last nights Kings-Suns stats and a funny thought klanged in my brain. What if Bonzi became our 20-10 guy?

He is without a doubt our best offensive rebounder, which add points. He shoots good free throws and a bunch every night. And he runs the floor.

Sure SAR has every chance to be our 20-10 guy but it is not looking that way so far. And I see Kenny a 14-7 guy much like Brad. and no I didn't get wonked by my long board......

 

[VF21]

We can only have one???

In VF21WORLD, the idea is that BOTH Bonzi and SAR can become 20-10 guys.

And yes, before you ask, there are always birds singing, the sun shining, lots of flowers and sweet little critters frolicking around in VF21WORLD.

 

[DavisAggie]

We can only have one???

In VF21WORLD, the idea is that BOTH Bonzi and SAR can become 20-10 guys.

And yes, before you ask, there are always birds singing, the sun shining, lots of flowers and sweet little critters frolicking around in VF21WORLD.

Bonzi and SAR both play in the block, it only makes sense that they (are, could, should) be our 20-10 guys.

I know this is against posting rules (writing outside of the topic when this topic is cover elsewhere), but man do I like Bonzi’s game WAY more than Cat’s game.

 

[piksi]

We will not have 20-10 guy but we could have 2-3 10 -10 guys or couple 15 - 10 -5 guys. There will be no 20-10 guy unless pedja grows wings and balls

 

[Gtronic]

"man do I like Bonzi’s game WAY more than Cat’s game."

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[SacTownKid]

Yeah, being a 20-10 guy has a lot to do with offensive opprotunity. He who gets to shoot the most has the best chance at being 20-10. We have a lot of players right now that are used to being number 1 options, or close to it, but who gets that opprotunity? I would say Shareef has the best chance at doing it, because hes been close to those numbers before, but those were on teams where he carried the whole team.

 

[Kings113]

Took a glance at last nights Kings-Suns stats and a funny thought klanged in my brain. What if Bonzi became our 20-10 guy?

He is without a doubt our best offensive rebounder, which add points. He shoots good free throws and a bunch every night. And he runs the floor.

Sure SAR has every chance to be our 20-10 guy but it is not looking that way so far. And I see Kenny a 14-7 guy much like Brad. and no I didn't get wonked by my long board......

Yeah, but SAR hasn't played regular minutes yet or started much. Nor has anyone else with their minutes.

Heh, since when is Brad a 7 rebound guy? Last time was in his 3rd season (maybe 2nd).

As far as Bonzi becoming our 20-10 guy, I don't know about that. He'll be one of our top rebounders though.

 

[Rain man]

I don't know if we have a true 20-10 guy (SAR is closest), but I can see quite a few guys stepping up to mask that with consistent play.
The way I see it this season...

Brad: 14-8.5
SAR: 16-9
Peja: 20-5 (I would be happy with 5, but that is only because I expect 3-4 boards from him)
Bonzi- 14-6

Kenny- 10-5 (in about 20-24 minutes)
Skinner- 6-4.5 (In about 15 minutes)

 

[Sluggah]

"man do I like Bonzi’s game WAY more than Cat’s game."

here, here!

rebounds are sexy. and a little fire and attitude ain't so bad either.

 

[Bricklayer]

Bonzi's a guard. He's not grabbing 10rebs a game. But he has always been one of the best rebounding guards in the NBA, and if given the minutes, might be able to clear 6+ and provide a lot of support to a frontline that may need it.

Only potential 20-10 guy on the team would be SAR, but he's not physical or assertive enough for that to be likely at this point.

 

[Kings113]

I don't know if we have a true 20-10 guy (SAR is closest), but I can see quite a few guys stepping up to mask that with consistent play.
The way I see it this season...

Brad: 14-8.5
SAR: 16-9
Peja: 20-5 (I would be happy with 5, but that is only because I expect 3-4 boards from him)
Bonzi- 14-6

Kenny- 10-5 (in about 20-24 minutes)
Skinner- 6-4.5 (In about 15 minutes)

You really expect 3 RPG from Peja this season? I highly doubt it, even 4 area is a stretch. Especially with these last two games (excluding the short phoenix first game stint), how much it's been talked about by the coaches since training camp, and over the off-season by the organization and Peja himself.

If he does I'll be disappointed like everyone else. I'm not expecting him to it though.

 

[SacTownKid]

Bonzi's a guard. He's not grabbing 10rebs a game. But he has always been one of the best rebounding guards in the NBA, and if given the minutes, might be able to clear 6+ and provide a lot of support to a frontline that may need it.

Only potential 20-10 guy on the team would be SAR, but he's not physical or assertive enough for that to be likely at this point.

Not physical enough? I have actually been surprised at how physical he is. Not assertive enough? Should he get the ball and tell everybody else get out of his way? Maybe he should now that I think about it. He certainly needs to be given plenty of touches I think. He gets to the line very well, as does Bonzi, and that is a welcome sight.

 

[Kings113]

Not physical enough? I have actually been surprised at how physical he is. Not assertive enough? Should he get the ball and tell everybody else get out of his way? Maybe he should now that I think about it. He certainly needs to be given plenty of touches I think. He gets to the line very well, as does Bonzi, and that is a welcome sight.

Yeah, me too.

 

[Bricklayer]

Not physical enough? I have actually been surprised at how physical he is. Not assertive enough? Should he get the ball and tell everybody else get out of his way? Maybe he should now that I think about it. He certainly needs to be given plenty of touches I think. He gets to the line very well, as does Bonzi, and that is a welcome sight.

I know you've been singing his prasies but he is NOT a physical player. He spins, he dunks, he's quick, he's a post guy. All good. But also all finesse. He doesn't muscle anybody up on either side. He goes around them. Quite effective for scoring. Not so much for the dirty work. You could play against Shareef for a week and never pick up a single bruise.

As far as assertiveness -- there is not even an argument there. He's been passive, and at times positively lost. Struggling to think if he's had a single burst where he's taken over a game for even a few minutes yet. And this from a career 20pt scorer. Let alone deciding the paint was his and banging around bodies. Despite the obvious talent he has been oh so buttery soft through the preseason. Its nice that he's a nice man. Or maybe its not. You do NOT want your PF to be TOO nice, especially not on the court. Right now even if you gave him 38min a night he'd average only 16.0pts 6.5rebs. That is NOT assertive enough. Not tough enough. Not anything enough to be anything remotely close to a 20-10 guy. He should be better than that.

 

[Kings241]

I know you've been singing his prasies but he is NOT a physical player. He spins, he dunks, he's quick, he's a post guy. All good. But also all finesse. He doesn't muscle anybody up on either side. He goes around them. Quite effective for scoring. Not so much for the dirty work. You could play against Shareef for a week and never pick up a single bruise.

As far as assertiveness -- there is not even an argument there. He's been passive, and at times positively lost. Struggling to think if he's had a single burst where he's taken over a game for even a few minutes yet. And this from a career 20pt scorer. Let alone deciding the paint was his and banging around bodies. Despite the obvious talent he has been oh so buttery soft through the preseason. Its nice that he's a nice man. Or maybe its not. You do NOT want your PF to be TOO nice, especially not on the court. Right now even if you gave him 38min a night he'd average only 16.0pts 6.5rebs. That is NOT assertive enough. Not tough enough. Not anything enough to be anything remotely close to a 20-10 guy. He should be better than that.

Rahim will be a 19-8 guy, everyone that plays with the kings improve their stats and productivity.

 

[Bricklayer]

Rahim will be a 19-8 guy, everyone that plays with the kings improve their stats and productivity.

Those of course are his career numbers, so wouldn't be much of an improvement. But also what I expected coming into this season from him. But with all the competition for shots, and him playing wallflower right now, he won't even match those numbers, let alone 20-10.

He's passed better than I expected, shown flashes of his talent, which is considerable. But also looked very soft. Its that same Kings issue again. Hunger? Fire? Ferocity? Even just simple competitiveness and finding it intolerable that your man is getting the better of you. I understand why he might be feeling his way -- its possible he quite literally does not know how to act ona winning team with other talented players, and is overcompensating. But he's got to snap out of it if he's going to have any positive impact for us.

 

[Kings113]

I don't expect SAR to put up 20-10, and not for anyone to do that on the team. Could, but it's unlikely.

I don't go towards the "wallflower" type of talk for SAR though. If he somehow is like he has, with regular minutes and rotation, then I will be wondering what's going on.

 

[Coach]

Bobby Jackson is a better scoring and rebounding guard than Wells.

Last year, per 48 minutes:

Wells: 23.2 points, 7.4 rebounds
Jackson: 26.9 points, 7.6 rebounds

 

[ParniValjak]

We don't have a 20-10 guy on our roster. SAR is the closest thing to it but even then, he would have to be our #1 option and something tells me thats not the track we want to go down.

I think Brad will be our double double guy. He won't get any where near 20 ppg but I think he will get 10 rpg and maybe 12-14ppg to go along with aproximately 5 apg.

Bonzi is one of the best rebounding SGs in the league and I expect him to grab plenty of boards from that position but no way is he a 10rpg guy.

If we have a couple of players who average 10 rpg then we should be VERY VERY happy with that.

 

[tubiscus]

We can only have one???

In VF21WORLD, the idea is that BOTH Bonzi and SAR can become 20-10 guys.

And yes, before you ask, there are always birds singing, the sun shining, lots of flowers and sweet little critters frolicking around in VF21WORLD.

I'm betting the LAKERS lose every game in VF21WORLD too. Gotta love that place!

 

[kingsfan916]

"man do I like Bonzi’s game WAY more than Cat’s game."

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Yeah Bonzi hustles a lot more and actually plays D. even if he dosen't have that 3 point shot he is much better than Cat

 

[Kings113]

Bobby Jackson is a better scoring and rebounding guard than Wells.

Last year, per 48 minutes:

Wells: 23.2 points, 7.4 rebounds
Jackson: 26.9 points, 7.6 rebounds

...........

 

[SacTownKid]

I know you've been singing his prasies but he is NOT a physical player. He spins, he dunks, he's quick, he's a post guy. All good. But also all finesse. He doesn't muscle anybody up on either side. He goes around them. Quite effective for scoring. Not so much for the dirty work. You could play against Shareef for a week and never pick up a single bruise.

As far as assertiveness -- there is not even an argument there. He's been passive, and at times positively lost. Struggling to think if he's had a single burst where he's taken over a game for even a few minutes yet. And this from a career 20pt scorer. Let alone deciding the paint was his and banging around bodies. Despite the obvious talent he has been oh so buttery soft through the preseason. Its nice that he's a nice man. Or maybe its not. You do NOT want your PF to be TOO nice, especially not on the court. Right now even if you gave him 38min a night he'd average only 16.0pts 6.5rebs. That is NOT assertive enough. Not tough enough. Not anything enough to be anything remotely close to a 20-10 guy. He should be better than that.

Oh sorry I didn't know you wrote the "Book of Rahim".

Just what I noticed. Apparenty I wasn't alone either. I wasn't saying he was/is a physical banging monster of a PF, but he is physical none the less.

 

[deviflux]

Shareef is a legit 20/10 guy. Right now, I'd even go as far as to say he's the most talented player on the Kings.

He may not be the best shooter (Peja), best passer (Bibby) or best defender (Corliss) ... but he's the best mix of all of it. He's easily the best low post threat on the Kings.

I don't know what makes ANYONE think that Shareef has to be the #1 option to be 20/10 either. He's scored 20+ and is averaging less than 16 shots a game. For reference, that's among the lowest number of attempts for any of the top scorers. This is a guy that has never really been the focal point of an offense. He's shared the load, but never been truly tapped.

Shareef is trying his best to perform in a system and prove his passing skills. Right now his ability to score isn't in question. It's his ability to hit the right pass - and he's demonstrating an ability to do it. He'll settle in.