Bill Simmons and Chad Ford talk big smack about Geoff Petrie

thank you!! I think we can all agree on the above. I've know this since the second it happened. Petrie should be fired for that
 
Anthony1 said:
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8100861/ford-vs-simmons


"After all, Petrie was the guy who dumped a mildly annoying contract (Beno Udrih) for a mildly disastrous contract (John Salmons) so he could move back three spots and make the worst lottery pick of the 2011 draft (Jimmer Fredette). He's capable of anything."
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Whatever Geoff's sins, and they are myriad, reading through a bunch of tripe with those two morons trying to pretend that they've got it all figured out is just nauseating. Bill Simmons doesn't know basketball, and Chad Ford alternates between wild enthusiasms for every favorite of his and just making stuff up.

BTW, the quote about that deal is more or less correct. However, that deal is all more or less unique on Geoff's resume. Its the move he never makes. Maybe now we know why. I think a lethal combination of shooter love, Maloof gushing schoolboy love, and totally inexplicable Salmons love, caused that debacle.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Whatever Geoff's sins, and they are myriad, reading through a bunch of tripe with those two morons trying to pretend that they've got it all figured out is just nauseating. Bill Simmons doesn't know basketball, and Chad Ford alternates between wild enthusiasms for every favorite of his and just making stuff up.
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Yeah, but you have to wonder if the Maloofs or anybody in the Kings FO might have seen this article. I know that most of them will say they never pay attention to anything like that, but it's a bit telling that nationwide our FO is somewhat of a laughing stock lately. If the Maloof brothers read that article, they might go to Petrie and say, "You know Geoff, if MKG is there at 5, can we just take him?"
 
Anthony1 said:
Yeah, but you have to wonder if the Maloofs or anybody in the Kings FO might have seen this article. I know that most of them will say they never pay attention to anything like that, but it's a bit telling that nationwide our FO is somewhat of a laughing stock lately. If the Maloof brothers read that article, they might go to Petrie and say, "You know Geoff, if MKG is there at 5, can we just take him?"
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The very last thing, the VERY last thing you possibly want in this or any draft is the Maloofs opening their mouths at any point during the process. Duct tape them shut until the season is ready to begin and we're miles ahead of the game.

There is significant evidence that the Maloofs drove that Jimmer pick, and possibly the whole transaction btw. Geoff may have been entranced as well, but the Maloofs were positively giddy.
 
Bricklayer said:
The very last thing, the VERY last thing you possibly want in this or any draft is the Maloofs opening their mouths at any point during the process. Duct tape them shut until the season is ready to begin and we're miles ahead of the game.

There is significant evidence that the Maloofs drove that Jimmer pick, and possibly the whole transaction btw. Geoff may have been entranced as well, but the Maloofs were positively giddy.
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Normally I'd agree, but if their fear of looking foolish league wide drives them to ask Petrie to take MKG if he's available, then I'd be cool with that, because I think MKG would be about the most perfect scenario that could happen to us. I'm scared shizless of seeing MKG being available and we trade the pick or something crazy. Anything that would guarantee MKG (assuming he drops), is fine by me.
 
Excluding the pick ( jimmer) if the Beno trade was a GP move which I think it was, GP should have been fired for that one it created a massive wrench in our progession and flexability. Correct move would have been to sign some guys to 1yr deals to get to the sallary floor then guess what we could outbid POR this summer and get Batum without blinking twice! Now we have a bunch of "Guards" and a overpaid Chuck Hayes to show for it DAMMIT just thinking of last summer gets me angry. GP you better make good this time!!!!!!!!!

Fear the Putin said:
wasn't Westphal the one pushing for Salmons? Wanted a veteran 3...
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GP is the GM.
 
Fear the Putin said:
wasn't Westphal the one pushing for Salmons? Wanted a veteran 3...
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EVERYBODY wanted a veteran 3. It was WHICH veteran 3, and which contract he had, that made the mess. Or at least contributed to it. If for instance we had succeeded at signing AK47 (and you can see now with the draft blacklisting why that wasn't going to happen), that would have been signing a veteran 3 as well, but that would have been a good move. Maybe the only front office int eh league wiling to reclaim Salmons off the three team trash bin is where things went from bad to worse.

Said before last offseason it was such a simple offseason. Resign Daly, sign a guy like AK, DON'T trade away your veteran glue 3rd guard. We should be miles ahead of where we are.
 
Actually, this chat is not that bad with some nuggets (both funny and real stuff) like:
SIMMONS: Chad, this pick makes so much sense that I can only assume you mistakenly thought MKG was Slovenian. Everyone keeps saying there's no "sure thing" in this draft after Davis. Why isn't MKG a sure thing? You know what you're getting — he's the most competitive guy in the draft, he's an incredible athlete, his teams win everywhere he goes, he's the prototypical über-athlete swing guy who can defend three positions, and he could absolutely be the second-best or third-best player on a title contender some day.

I'm judging every lottery pick in this draft by one question: "Could you have played in that insanely athletic 2012 Finals I just watched?" We can't say that's where the NBA might be headed because it's already there — we just saw it. And for MKG, the answer is, "Yes, he would have absolutely fit into that Finals … and maybe even slowed down Durant or LeBron a little." I don't care that he can't shoot yet. He'll figure it out. I agree with you — Pippen is the right comparison here. But it's his competitiveness that really stands out for me. You stick someone on your team who cares that much and everything else will fall into place. Eventually. Naturally, he'll probably drop to fifth because this continues to be the dumbest professional sports league on the planet.
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SIMMONS:...By the way, I gave serious thought to offering you an "If Harrison Barnes averages 20 points a game in the NBA, I will swim from Los Angeles to Hawaii to take you out to dinner there" wager before realizing that you couldn't offer me a comparable reward. Unless you gave me full custody of Pavel Podkolzin. Is he still living in your basement?

FORD: How about I agree to wear an Adam Morrison mustache for a year? Start training.

SIMMONS: Could you do that anyway? Why do we need a wager to make that happen?
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SIMMONS: I like the way you're thinking here — if I'm picking in the top 10, ideally, I want someone with at least one world-class skill. For Kidd-Gilchrist, it's athleticism. For Beal, it's outside shooting. For Barnes, it's being friends with Kyrie Irving. And for Waiters, clearly, it's getting to the rack.
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Bricklayer said:
Whatever Geoff's sins, and they are myriad, reading through a bunch of tripe with those two morons trying to pretend that they've got it all figured out is just nauseating. Bill Simmons doesn't know basketball, and Chad Ford alternates between wild enthusiasms for every favorite of his and just making stuff up.

BTW, the quote about that deal is more or less correct. However, that deal is all more or less unique on Geoff's resume. Its the move he never makes. Maybe now we know why. I think a lethal combination of shooter love, Maloof gushing schoolboy love, and totally inexplicable Salmons love, caused that debacle.
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I had a horrible thought this morning.

What if one of the reasons we're looking at a lot of trading opportunities is because the Maloofs think that MKG will slip to #5 and after the interviews they went to Petrie and said, "This MKG kid isn't going to do well from a PR stand-point due to his speech impediment, so since it looks as if he'll be the best choice at #5 go see what you can do to trade down, since we don't want him."

At the moment I haven't seen any trade scenarios that I would jump on prior to knowing who is available at #5.
If we are sitting there at #5 and MKG is there and we pass on him...it'll be hard for me to take.
 
Definitely was a bad trade... I'm soooooo far from calling Jimmer a bad pick though. In a couple of years I think people will be singing a different tune about Jimmer. He'll never be a star but a very, very solid role player he will be I think... out of last year's draft that might not turn out looking too bad.
 
I don't know that they'd be that petty, but MKG is definitely not a sexy pick, and the Maloofs do suffer from shiny penny syndrome. Anything is possible.
 
I keep praying to the Basketball Gods that the Maloofs just keep their noses out of anything to do with basketball operations. The Fredette pick has Maloof hands all over it. Actually, I keep praying to the Basketball Gods to make the Maloofs sell the team. Please...
 
I was one of the sharpest critics of that trade around here as soon as it happened, but I could still squint and see what Geoff was thinking when he did it. It did make sense from a certain point of view and nobody could have known at the time that Jimmer would be as bad as he was this year. I had him 10th on my board so I was mostly upset that we traded down at all, not necessarily that we took Jimmer there.

Bill Simmons isn't an expert on basketball, he just writes entertaining columns. But if we're evaluating Geoff on the basis of what he did last year, well then the criticism is justified. Even if the Maloofs twisted his arm, it's his name on the deal since he's the GM. And while I rarely agree with Chad Ford, this quote below is a pretty accurate description of what I've been reading on the news and watching with the workouts:

Agree that Petrie is doing the GM equivalent of impaired driving with this pick. Kings fans are watching, horrified, as he weaves back and forth across the road. The question isn't whether he collides into the telephone pole … it's when.
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And I'll continue to be nervous up until the pick is done and we know who we got this year.
 
Anthony1 said:
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8100861/ford-vs-simmons


"After all, Petrie was the guy who dumped a mildly annoying contract (Beno Udrih) for a mildly disastrous contract (John Salmons) so he could move back three spots and make the worst lottery pick of the 2011 draft (Jimmer Fredette). He's capable of anything."
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Until this team starts winning, this is how it's going to go. Petrie is going to get a lot of criticism and ridicule. He can have the Maloofs there to spread the blame around, but he's still the #1 personnel guy. If he's getting the cram-down from the Maloofs and they truly are usurping his authority, then he should have left years ago to retain his dignity and his integrity. He can continue to be the dunce or start being the genius. We're going to see very soon which it is.
 
upinsmoke said:
Excluding the pick ( jimmer) if the Beno trade was a GP move which I think it was, GP should have been fired for that one it created a massive wrench in our progession and flexability. Correct move would have been to sign some guys to 1yr deals to get to the sallary floor then guess what we could outbid POR this summer and get Batum without blinking twice! Now we have a bunch of "Guards" and a overpaid Chuck Hayes to show for it DAMMIT just thinking of last summer gets me angry. GP you better make good this time!!!!!!!!!



GP is the GM.
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i like the idea of 1 year deals to meet the salary minimum
 
Bricklayer said:
The very last thing, the VERY last thing you possibly want in this or any draft is the Maloofs opening their mouths at any point during the process. Duct tape them shut until the season is ready to begin and we're miles ahead of the game.

There is significant evidence that the Maloofs drove that Jimmer pick, and possibly the whole transaction btw. Geoff may have been entranced as well, but the Maloofs were positively giddy.
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I think to be fair, the Salmons deal, and drafting Fredette need to be analyized seperately. We didn't need to make the Salmons deal to draft Fredette. We could have just drafted him from our original position. Separately, the jury is still out on Jimmer. Not so on Salmons. I know its rumored that the only reason Petrie made the move was to appease Westphal and his desire for a veteran SF that could play defense. Apparently Westphal wanted Salmons. However, just because your coach wants a player, doesn't mean you have to get that player for him. So untimately the blame has to go to Petrie.

I do think it might be time for some new blood at the GM spot, but I'd rather it happen after, hopefully, new ownership takes place. God forbid the Maloofs choose then next GM. The bottom line is that ultimately the owners have the final say on who you draft or who you trade. This is true of just about every team in the NBA. On most good teams, ownership has trust in its GM, and for the most part just rubber stamps whatever the GM wants to do. Unless its trading Lebron or Kobe..
 
Anthony1 said:
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8100861/ford-vs-simmons


"After all, Petrie was the guy who dumped a mildly annoying contract (Beno Udrih) for a mildly disastrous contract (John Salmons) so he could move back three spots and make the worst lottery pick of the 2011 draft (Jimmer Fredette). He's capable of anything."
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Burn! However, I doubt Geoff had any choice about drafting Jimmer... I am sure the mafoll brothers have a nickname for him like "Easy Money", "New Porsche", or something along those lines and insisted that the Kings take him.
 
Bricklayer said:
EVERYBODY wanted a veteran 3. It was WHICH veteran 3, and which contract he had, that made the mess. Or at least contributed to it. If for instance we had succeeded at signing AK47 (and you can see now with the draft blacklisting why that wasn't going to happen), that would have been signing a veteran 3 as well, but that would have been a good move. Maybe the only front office int eh league wiling to reclaim Salmons off the three team trash bin is where things went from bad to worse.

Said before last offseason it was such a simple offseason. Resign Daly, sign a guy like AK, DON'T trade away your veteran glue 3rd guard. We should be miles ahead of where we are.
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BUT...I have a feeling all the bad transactions the past 4-6 season have been made by the Brothas Maloof...in thinking they could 'Major League' our franchise into moving to Anaheim, or whatever Timbuktu they wanted to. WRONG MOVE BOYS!!! I think if the same obviously absurd-like transactions happen this offseason, they need to be tarred and feathered Downtown in Cesar Chavez Park and left for the hundreds of crows that populate that area to pick at after dark.
 
kennadog said:
I keep praying to the Basketball Gods that the Maloofs just keep their noses out of anything to do with basketball operations. The Fredette pick has Maloof hands all over it. Actually, I keep praying to the Basketball Gods to make the Maloofs sell the team. Please...
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And so was the Evans and Cousins picks and every pick we have had including the trades - we can see the Maloof hands all over it. And this is because the Maloofs have always been a cheerer and defender on whatever move Petrie does.

Didn't you notice that?

What's wrong with us fans here?!

It's like there is a Petrie Cult and we're members of his cult!......lol

Petrie is infallible! He is genius!

Wrong move....blame it on the coach or owners....right move....credit it to Petrie!.....lol

I just hope we don't follow Petrie when he says we all have to commit suicide.
 
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Prince_XY said:
And so was the Evans and Cousins picks and every pick we have had including the trades - we can see the Maloof hands all over it. And this is because the Maloofs have always been a cheerer and defender on whatever move Petrie does.

Didn't you notice that?

What's wrong with us fans here?!

It's like there is a Petrie Cult and we're members of his cult!......lol

Petrie is infallible! He is genius!

Wrong move....blame it on the coach or owners....right move....credit it to Petrie!.....lol

I just hope we don't follow Petrie when he says we all have to commit suicide.
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Oh please.

The Evans pick was not the Maloof's idea. It was pretty widely known that they wanted Rubio. Petrie was able to talk them out of making that particular choice, but most likely only because their finances had yet to totally bottom out. Cousins would NOT have been the first choice of the Maloofs for the simple reason he came with baggage, something the Maloofs did not want to have to deal with. You may see the Maloof hand on everything, but I would posit that you might need new glasses.

Petrie is not infallible but he has, with a couple of exceptions, done well with our draft picks. It's simplistic (and erroneous) to blindly state otherwise.
 
VF21 said:
Oh please.

t The Evans pick was not the Maloof's idea. Iwas pretty widely known that they wanted Rubio. Petrie was able to talk them out of making that particular choice, but most likely only because their finances had yet to totally bottom out. Cousins would NOT have been the first choice of the Maloofs for the simple reason he came with baggage, something the Maloofs did not want to have to deal with. You may see the Maloof hand on everything, but I would posit that you might need new glasses.

Petrie is not infallible but he has, with a couple of exceptions, done well with our draft picks. It's simplistic (and erroneous) to blindly state otherwise.
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Of course, that is pure speculation that the Maloofs wanted Rubio more than Evans. You have to consider how one of the Maloof brothers acted like crazy when we drafted Evans. He even came out defending that pick and even said sort of "Evans will turn the franchise around".

The same Maloofs' cheering happened when Petrie chose Cousins. Remember how the Maloofs say they were excited with Cousins? And that "rise" thing?

The bottom line here is let us be fair with the Maloofs. Put the blame on them about the messed-up arena deal. They are the owners and clearly we can put the blame on them for messing it up.

But the whole draft and trade/personnel messed-up?

Those are Petrie's.

I think this is also the reason why Petrie can't leave the Kings. He has owners completely backing him up, cheering behind him, and defending him on whatever mess he makes on this team. It is so convenient.
 
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Spike said:
I don't know that they'd be that petty, but MKG is definitely not a sexy pick, and the Maloofs do suffer from shiny penny syndrome. Anything is possible.
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Then they wouldn't have a problem staying at 5th and taking Barnes if he's available. He was one of the most talked about highschool players a couple years back.
 
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