Beno reminds us why he's here
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Kingsguy881
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They get off to a slow start because May and Mason are starting over Hawes and Casspi. Not because Evans is starting. Take off your blinding hate and see the truth for once.
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Kingsguy881
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I think that's what last year told us....Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. We see how good Beno is coming off the bench. We saw how good he was at starting. Yet you people want to change that? THATS why Westphal is the coach and not you.
Burrito06
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My worries have nothing to do with Tyreke starting because as soon as this kid puts up 20 and 7 all of the Beno bandwagon will be for Tyreke again. My worries have to do more with Sean May in the starting lineup. And we could also say Desmond Mason in the starting lineup. I guarantee if Tyreke was in the starting lineup with Hawes, his game would be much better.
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Kingsguy881
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No, YOU would have been talking about how SERGIO wouldn't have missed the layup. Dude, quit tooting your own horn. Have you EVER played basketball? Playing hoops on a sprained ankle affects every aspect of the offensive part of your game. No lift on your jumper, no lift on your layups, unstable on your legs.
So, Derrick Rose is playing on a sprained ankle. Anyone seen his production so far? Not too good hmm? Are they talking in Chicago that Hinrich should be starting again? No, because obviously their fans don't have that "tendency" to hate on their own team, players, draft picks, front office, what have you. Deron Williams had a very rough first year, everyone was calling him a bust and saying Utah was dumb for picking him over CP3. What are they saying now?
You and Gary are just trying to pick a fight, trying to show how right you are RIGHT NOW, because the both of you know that 60 games into this season Tyreke is going to be looking like HE should have been the #1 pick.
And we are SO glad you guys don't have any say in the day to day operations of this team, because this team would be sunk and the fanbase completely gone the way you guys want to run this team. I'm goin to keep watching the Kings, because Westphal obviously knows what he is doing.
You two make me not even want to read the comments on this board with your simple minded pursuit of your hatred for Evans and desire to prove the FO wrong for picking him. It's pathetic, childish and demented. And Disgusting. You guys call yourselves Kings fans........<vomits>
Jkbiker
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Exactly!!!!!! May and Mason are the reason for our 1st qtr deficit!
Between missed shots and balls being shot over him, and standing around not rebounding, I think May cost us 6-8 points in the opening minutes
Yes Tyreke stuggled , rookie with sore foot, But he is still our futurs star PG, I love that Beno stepped it up big time, I hope PW will notice and make him our no 2 PG , Sorry sergio you should be 3rd and insurance for foul troub/injury
You go Beno, keep impressing, If Tyreke having a bad game - more minutes, If Beno having a good game and Tyreke playing strong, then give Kevin some rest, and play Reke and Beno. That way both can get minutes if they are deserving of them.
Second half starting lineup!!!! Woohoo want some more of that!
Reke,Kev,Omri,JT, Spence
Ill say it again JT/Spence to start and end each half
Foul trouble? it will happen, Jt - like Noc or K9 or May if needed
Spence- Brockman or May
Give Noc big min behind Omri / JT (if smaller matchup)
Please just leave Mason/May out of starting line up!!!!
OptimusRhyme
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I watched the game again and Evans set up his teammates great. For anyone who has this game recorded. please watch it again, and watch him constantly drive and dish for open threes.. some made most were missed. or watch him post up AI then find Casspi under the net for a bucket, oh yah and watch him draw the double teams in the post 3-4 times and kick it out to May/Hawes for the open jumper. or how about finding thompson 4 times in the paint for open jumpers that thompson couldnt hit. Whoever says this guy cannot create for his team, well your on crack and your obviously not watching this game. Yes Tyreke is still learning how to push the tempo and how to play off the ball when he dosent have it, but this guy has the mindset of getting this team involved. Hes learning each players spots at a very rapid pace. Hes never phased out there and he is one of the most poised rookies ive seen, especially a rookie with loads of pressure and hype on his shoulders. Stop hating on this kid.
Dont give me this bull**** that he has no court vision, the dude draws so much attention when he has the ball that he is pretty much double teamed every time he gets in the lane.
It also didnt help starting off the game playing with "no shot" mason. Once Casspi and Martin are on his wings the spacing will be great and Tyrekes offensive game will open up and he will be able to drive and kick alot easier. Or drive and finish without two dudes right in his grill.
Give this guy some credit, he played on a friggan sprained ankle! because he didnt want to let the fans down on opening night. This guy is a champion. I didnt even mention his defense or rebounding ability or the fact that if he gets switched off on a pick with a SG or SF he will be able to cover them. We have a FRIGGAN 6'6 PG people, and hes showing great signs so far. Do you realizeh his how dangerous he is going to be when he gains chemistry with his teammates that he has only known for a cuple months...
I agree with what someone said above, its like some people here want Tyreke to fail just so their egos can gain a little boost.
Well thats pretty sad, because this kid wants to bring us back to the top. And i knew that as soon as I saw him go over to Beno & Martin at the 4th quarter at mid court jsut to give them encouragement even tho he wasnt playing and Beno took his minutes. That shows maturity, an unselfish human being and a General on thisbasketball team. And that my friends is why he is going to succeed..
And just so you know to those people that try and jump on the bandwagon later when tyreke is an allstar PG, I'll be the first one on that wagon you see and I'll remember to remind youu how much you hated on this kid.
Reke sum Havoc out there Tyreke.!
Dont give me this bull**** that he has no court vision, the dude draws so much attention when he has the ball that he is pretty much double teamed every time he gets in the lane.
It also didnt help starting off the game playing with "no shot" mason. Once Casspi and Martin are on his wings the spacing will be great and Tyrekes offensive game will open up and he will be able to drive and kick alot easier. Or drive and finish without two dudes right in his grill.
Give this guy some credit, he played on a friggan sprained ankle! because he didnt want to let the fans down on opening night. This guy is a champion. I didnt even mention his defense or rebounding ability or the fact that if he gets switched off on a pick with a SG or SF he will be able to cover them. We have a FRIGGAN 6'6 PG people, and hes showing great signs so far. Do you realizeh his how dangerous he is going to be when he gains chemistry with his teammates that he has only known for a cuple months...
I agree with what someone said above, its like some people here want Tyreke to fail just so their egos can gain a little boost.
Well thats pretty sad, because this kid wants to bring us back to the top. And i knew that as soon as I saw him go over to Beno & Martin at the 4th quarter at mid court jsut to give them encouragement even tho he wasnt playing and Beno took his minutes. That shows maturity, an unselfish human being and a General on thisbasketball team. And that my friends is why he is going to succeed..
And just so you know to those people that try and jump on the bandwagon later when tyreke is an allstar PG, I'll be the first one on that wagon you see and I'll remember to remind youu how much you hated on this kid.
Reke sum Havoc out there Tyreke.!
Big Cuz 15
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one Freaking Game against The Grizzlies Where Beno Ran The Offense Better Than Tyreke, And We're Ready To Throw In The Towel With Him.
I'm Going To Join Brick. Have Fun Y'all.
Lmao. Beno the one good game a year kawk tease for team MVP!!
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Kingsguy881
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A-****ING-MEN!!!!! Thank you. I honestly don't think these guys hating on him are watching the Kings games, or even know anything about basketball. But their treatment of Tyreke is pathetic and humiliates me to be rooting for the same team they claim they are rooting for.
M_Barragan
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Tyreke has court vision... that's the only reason why we are playing him at PG. He has proven this so far... maybe we are watching different games.
All his scouting reports mention his court vision but concerns about his tunnel vision. So far he is putting in an effort to find his teammates and he is doing a good job at it. You cant expect the guy to play like he's been in the league for 5 years when he doesnt even have 5 games played.
All his scouting reports mention his court vision but concerns about his tunnel vision. So far he is putting in an effort to find his teammates and he is doing a good job at it. You cant expect the guy to play like he's been in the league for 5 years when he doesnt even have 5 games played.
rhythmless
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Judging from the rash of posts lately from you, I would venture to say you are what you bemoan. I see nothing but venom from you and your confrontational, foaming at the mouth ways. Your posts fan flames, and from the constant rants, I am sure you are aware of it.
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Kingsguy881
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Thats right. Glad to see you sink to my level.
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rhythmless
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What you did there, I didn't see it. Keep it up though, I prefer premeditated chaos to the usual totalitarianism regime that squelches any semblence of freedom in this board. I am being sincere, btw. Makes for better reading, and better retorts/comebacks.
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Kingsguy881
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I'm all about posting fire and fanning flames. But yes, it is premeditated and yes, there are certain subjects of my fire and yes, I do try to keep it to the point where I can't get in trouble over it. And yes, I think Tyreke is going to be a beast/stud/monster you name it. So I will make sure that EVERYONE here knows I was all over him BEFORE they can jump on the wagon. And I also want to make sure that those Johnny Come Lately's who decide to switch over to the dark side are well aware that I was watching them while they flamed my boy in the early goings.
rainmaker
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What is this crap about Tyreke needing to earn his spot as a starter. HE DID. He beat out beno and sergio in the preseason. Tyeke has been our best pg since camp openned. So, Tyreke IS deserving of the starting spot. And for the life of me, I can't figure out how some on here think a career game by Beno changes that. Thats what it was, a career game, until Beno shows he can do that with any kind of consistency.
As for Tyreke not being a natural, pass first pg, that is also a bunch of crap. The guy has vision, and a TON of playmaking ability, and is already improving in the pick & roll. He broke down CP3 and T Parker on a number of occasions and set up teammates, who didn't convert. Tyreke should have twice as many assists as he has now, but having May and Mason in the lineup is killing any offensive flow. He has shown the ability to set up teammates, and create something out of nothing, and he will get better at it.
There seems to be a few people on here who know absolutely nothing about basketball, and expect 20 yr old Tyreke to show up and dominate every nba game he plays in right off the bat, with no learning curve, no time to get comfortable, no time to learn the new system and new players. Anyone who knows nba basketball, and has followed Beno's career, knows this game was the exception, no the norm. This is the same Beno who killed this franchise last year with one lackluster performance after another. And after he has one good game, you want to bring tyreke off the bench? 4 games into the season? Thats retarted. 4 games isn't anywhere near enough to make that judgement.
I honestly can't believe we're having this conversation. I'm happy for Beno, and hope he can become a top 5 backup pg. If he can give us 10/5 a night, and have a positive impact on the game, thats helps everyone. But Tyreke has the talent to become a top 10 player in this league. The talent levels don't compare. Tyreke will have some great nights this year, and some horrible nights, as well as everything inbetween. But thats part of the process of being a rookin pg. It will pay huge dividends down the road.
You don't bench one of your most talented players for having a poor game on a sprained ankle 4 games into his nba career. Guys don't get benched over one game. And, in all honesty, Beno still doesn't deserve a shot at starting pg. His performance last year cemented the fact he can't handle starting pg's on a regular basis. And what would happen if Westphal did replace tyreke with beno in the starting lineup, and he stinks it up like he did all of last year. Then everyone will want Tyreke back in the starting lineup, and Beno back to the bench. You can't make yo-yo decisions like that based on a few good games.
As for Tyreke not being a natural, pass first pg, that is also a bunch of crap. The guy has vision, and a TON of playmaking ability, and is already improving in the pick & roll. He broke down CP3 and T Parker on a number of occasions and set up teammates, who didn't convert. Tyreke should have twice as many assists as he has now, but having May and Mason in the lineup is killing any offensive flow. He has shown the ability to set up teammates, and create something out of nothing, and he will get better at it.
There seems to be a few people on here who know absolutely nothing about basketball, and expect 20 yr old Tyreke to show up and dominate every nba game he plays in right off the bat, with no learning curve, no time to get comfortable, no time to learn the new system and new players. Anyone who knows nba basketball, and has followed Beno's career, knows this game was the exception, no the norm. This is the same Beno who killed this franchise last year with one lackluster performance after another. And after he has one good game, you want to bring tyreke off the bench? 4 games into the season? Thats retarted. 4 games isn't anywhere near enough to make that judgement.
I honestly can't believe we're having this conversation. I'm happy for Beno, and hope he can become a top 5 backup pg. If he can give us 10/5 a night, and have a positive impact on the game, thats helps everyone. But Tyreke has the talent to become a top 10 player in this league. The talent levels don't compare. Tyreke will have some great nights this year, and some horrible nights, as well as everything inbetween. But thats part of the process of being a rookin pg. It will pay huge dividends down the road.
You don't bench one of your most talented players for having a poor game on a sprained ankle 4 games into his nba career. Guys don't get benched over one game. And, in all honesty, Beno still doesn't deserve a shot at starting pg. His performance last year cemented the fact he can't handle starting pg's on a regular basis. And what would happen if Westphal did replace tyreke with beno in the starting lineup, and he stinks it up like he did all of last year. Then everyone will want Tyreke back in the starting lineup, and Beno back to the bench. You can't make yo-yo decisions like that based on a few good games.
Chupacabra
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Beno had a whole season to start last year. The consensus is that Beno is one of the worst starting point guards in the league. To address this issue the Kings drafted his replacement with the 4th overall pick. Taking into consideration that the Kings are the worst team in the NBA how does it make sense to backup and bench the 4th overall pick in order to start the guy he was drafted to replace after 4 games? The answer; There are still alot of salty Ricky Rubio fans that refuse to accept that we didnt draft him. Get over it.
M_Barragan
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He has the foundation to learn it at a serviceable level. The kid has court vision... it's not a lock if he will succeed at Point... but it's also not a lock that he will fail. He has to prove either of those outcomes. Great time to do it now since we suck and don't have the resemblance of a decent PG in the lineup.
ParniValjak
All-Star
The thing with Beno is that he is a VERY VERY good back up that gets paid the starter money and he is an average starter.
If Beno was earning half his current salary he would be an exceptional back up PG for this team. Unless Tyreke is hurt, there is no way Beno should be starting.
If Beno was earning half his current salary he would be an exceptional back up PG for this team. Unless Tyreke is hurt, there is no way Beno should be starting.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Perhaps. What Beno had was a good game. His history has actually been as a guy who does not play well off the bench. Be helpful here however, and perhaps Westphal can return at times to the preseason experiment of Beno as backup SG playing next to Reke, especially if Casspi moves into the starting lineup.
Gliesian
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One freaking game where Beno ran the offense better than Tyreke, and we're ready to throw in the towel with him.
I'm going to join Brick. Have fun y'all.
Some of us were discussing this before the game and I don't think any of us want to throw the towel in on Evans as a pg. I think he has great potential. Once he proves to me he can run the offense to the point where we can win games with it, then I say let him. Until then I'd just rather have him learn from Beno, while subbing in at the pg and sg position.
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Kingsguy881
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I just fear all Beno can teach Reke is to play hard only when you see a benefit in it for yourself.
So you want to bench the guy who already showed that opponents are gearing their defenses to stop him? And then the idea is to trot out the man who steered the team to a 17-65 season last year when he was last handed the keys?
I remain unconvinced of this idea.
I don't see the benefit of taking Beno out of a role that he's excelling in and putting him back in the starting lineup where he bombed last season. Why not just leave well enough alone, and hope he plays well enough to generate trade talks before the deadline so we can push his ridiculous contract off on someone who can actually benefit from his services?
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AriesMar27
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Do you want to play from behind every game?
Gliesian
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The fact that Evans makes huge match-up problems for other teams is the reason he has been starting as pg. What I am concerned with is that this is an offensive-minded team and I've seen progress in the sum of Jason and Spencer last year. Maybe the rest of the team is more comfortable when Beno has the ball and they can run their plays better right now. Who knows. I mean, Evans has barely even played yet. Why are we giving him the keys if he's never driven before? Do you want to get in an accident? We have ridiculous expectations for Evans and I guess it boils down to the fact that I don't think Beno is a bad pg and we should give Evans more time before we give him the keys. I know almost everyone thinks he is bad but I don't and we can't blame last year on him either.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Damn. I came back when I said I wouldn't. There goes a few more points.
Keep this up and in another dozen visits I'll be advocating the laughable start Beno position myself. Except using shorter words. Like neat. Beno is neat. Reke is bad. I like Beno. I not like Reke.
Keep this up and in another dozen visits I'll be advocating the laughable start Beno position myself. Except using shorter words. Like neat. Beno is neat. Reke is bad. I like Beno. I not like Reke.
Chupacabra
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This team isnt going to win games no matter how well Evans runs the offense. The Kings have one of the least talented rosters in the league. Im seeing an utter lack of common sense in this thread and it troubles me.
Having a top 5 draft pick means youre choosing a future franchise player, hopefully. When you have a top 5 draft pick on the worst team in the NBA one of the top priorities is developing your top rookie. Theres really no good reason not to. Beno Udrih DEFINITELY isnt a good reason not to. There is no valid reason for starting Beno Udrih over Evans at any point of the season, let alone after game 4. Wow people.
You'd also have to start using catchy condescending put downs with little to no factual basis like shake and bake, or puff puff pass. Accompanied by the multiple periods for a little extra condescention
Gary
All-Star
Beno sucking last year still ran an NBA offense better than Evans this year.. You say for me to stop hating, well I counter with take off those rose colored goggles u are wearing.
The only person that will convince me that Evans is a PG is Evans, and so far he hasn't. It's not that he's a bad player or anything.. He does bring some interesting skillsets to the Kings, but unfortunately one of them isn't PG skills.
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