Barbosa vs Bonzi Deals

Leandro Barbosa just got a 5-year, $33-million deal with the Suns yesterday. So, looking at that Barbosa deal and the skill level of that player, do you think that the 5-year, $36 or $38-million deal offered Bonzi by the Kings was a fair one?

To me, it makes Petrie's offer seem low. :cool:

However, I personally did not like the 5-year term being offered for Bonzi, but I'm sure that was a MUST HAVE in the Bonzi/Phillips camp.
 
I don't think it makes Petrie's offer seem low. Barbosa is younger than Bonzi I believe and obviously they found him to be important to re-sign, and he has been for the Suns. They are a team that is trying to make a run NOW, so maybe you overpay just a little to keep an important piece.
 
They are a team that is trying to make a run NOW, so maybe you overpay just a little to keep an important piece.

I guess the question is whether or not the Barbosa deal constitutes overpaying. I'm not sure.

I just thought that we finally have a deal that is consummated this TDOS that is for a player that is somewhat comparable to Bonzi, at least in terms of position and a guy that excelled in this year's playoffs.
 
in the history of contracts, sure it seemed low. but then again, in this current offseason, no one is going to pay bonzi what he wants, because no one can afford to. so market-wise, we gave him the best offer already.
 
in the history of contracts, sure it seemed low. but then again, in this current offseason, no one is going to pay bonzi what he wants, because no one can afford to. so market-wise, we gave him the best offer already.

Well, none of us truly knows what Bonzi was seeking to re-sign. I don't know if we can believe what Napear reported on the air recently, that Bonzi was looking for $40 to $50 million over 5 years.

But what if Bonzi was in the low end of that range, say asking for $40-$42 million? That would seem about right to me, using the Barbosa deal as a reference point.
 
^ that's true. i think a lot of people believe that the final amount on the table was 40M/5 yrs. i thought that was reasonable, but i think bonzi was looking at a raise, not just a continuation of his current salary level.
 
Actually, I had the opposite reason--I felt that Barbosa's contract is much more of a bargain than even the 5 year/36 mil deal. Barbosa's much younger, plays at a slightly more valuable (i.e. gets paid a little more) position, and showed Kevin Martin-like efficiency on offense despite being a PG (PG's usually have the lowest FG%, not Barbosa). Barbosa, despite being a PG, scored 13.1 pts in 28 min to Bonzi's 13.6 pts in 32.4 min in the regular season. The only two things I would say Bonzi's significantly better at is interior playing (rebounding, back-to-the-basket) and one playoff series. It's hard to compare a PG and a SG/SF, but I would venture to say Barbosa's at least as valuable as a PG as Bonzi as a swingman, and over the next 5/6 years, Barbosa is more likely to have better seasons just because of his age.

And let's not forget what's probably the most important thing--Bonzi still has that baggage. Bonzi stayed completely clean last year off the court, as far as I know. But how much of it is Bonzi, and how much of it is playing in a city with a relatively lax media and the most supportive fans in the NBA?
 
Leandro Barbosa just got a 5-year, $33-million deal with the Suns yesterday. So, looking at that Barbosa deal and the skill level of that player, do you think that the 5-year, $36 or $38-million deal offered Bonzi by the Kings was a fair one?

To me, it makes Petrie's offer seem low

Yes, I think it was fair. It was more than he could get from any other team that was over the cap, and the teams that were under the cap didn't jump on the opportunity to try to offer him more.
I think the Bonzi camp may have made the same fatal mistake you are outlining in this post. IE- Player X got this much, so I should get more (or equal) based on skill set or play off performance. It simply doesn't always work that way.
I'm not even sure it was all about the money, since negotiations seemed to really turn sour.
 
This is an interesting comparison -- Although I see the whole Bonzi issue contest between GM's and players to change the culture of how much money players get. Players of course want more, and GM's want to be frugal. The more I think about this, the more I think that GP is on the right track. Because it is not just what players you have, but who you can trade for. If players are more reasonably paid, then you can trade them. When they are high paid, then you can't trade them very easily.

The same pressure has been shifting in the NFL. Look at the glory days of the 49ers -- the trick was forking-over the dough and keeping strong players. But that is no longer the winning formula. Look at New England. They are very careful about what they pay to whom, and for how many years. And of course I'm comparing the records over the past 5 years of 49ers vs. New England. The point that I am making is that to make it in the NFL you need to think very carefully about price of players.

Now in the NBA I think it is less clear. San Antonio is an example of a team that has been more careful about cost, and Dallas an example of a team -- or owner -- who has been more free about spending. So I think GP is trying to answer this question for Sacramento - and I think he is headed towards the San Antonio mindset about controlling costs. And that's what Bonzi and his agent didn't like. So I think we need to be ready for more of the same from GP about controlling costs. And my sense is that from this mindset Bonzi did indeed get a fair offer.
 
One you bring up the two topics of fiar and NBA contracts you have to realize that they have NOTHING to do with eachother.
 
Bonzi screwed himself like Spreewell . Anyways, Thank u Bonzi for your time here with the kings . I wish you luck only if you go to a eastern conf team .
 
you know when it felt like all of this contract stuff became all discombobulated? the michael redd signing.
 
You go to an auction and see an item that you think is worth, lets say $100.00. So you bid $80.00. The most anyone else bids is $60.00. Do you suddenly say, oh what the hell, I'll just pay $100.00 anyway. I don't think so. You pay the market value. Bonzi may not think its fair, but its a cruel world. He can always find a pick-up game with Sprewell.
 
Once again, the market sets Bonzi's value. Not Bonzi.

This statement isn't really true. If Bonzi doesn't get much $ at the end, then the decision to not accept the Kings offer led him to get less money than he could've gotten in the market. The structure of the market itself is dependent on the decisions Bonzi, or his agent, or both, make. In other words, the market does set Bonzi's value in a trivial fashion (by definition), but Bonzi or his agent's decision-making still affects his final value (the contract that he gets).

I agree with bajaden. Obviously we don't know exactly how it will turn out yet, but I think we can agree that right now it's hard to imagine scenarios where Bonzi will get paid over the MLE, given that he'll most likely need the Kings help and the Maloofs don't want to pay the tax. And even finding a home for Bonzi with the MLE could be a stretch with so many teams: 1) having committed part or all of their MLE elsewhere; 2) are close to the tax threshold themselves and don't want to spend their money; 3) have no need for Bonzi or simply do not want to risk their MLE on someone with as much baggage as Bonzi.

So if it's true that all Bonzi gets at the end is the MLE or less than that (like a small 1-year deal), then it seems that: 1) the Kings made a fair offer; 2) Bonzi misjudged the market; 3) the Kings may have been a bit impatient in looking elsewhere. Of course, to be fair, the Kings really shouldn't be expected to wait for Bonzi forever, and it's hard to argue with them saying, "We gave you enough time already--we're moving on."

And if Bonzi ends up getting less $$ than Barbosa at the end, then it's not necessarily true that Barbosa's worth more on the market--it's could be that the decisions made in Bonzi's end (i.e. him or his agent or both) were sub-optimal.
 
I think it's a bargain. Barbossa is going to be the future after Nash and is as valuable to that team as any of the other guys excluding NAsh and Amare. My cousin is a die-hard Suns fan and was worried the Suns were gonna lose Barbossa after this year. He was probably going to have a breakout year this year, and was gonna command a big number salary to re-sign. So, I'm sure he feels this is a bargain, and I have to agree.
 
bonzi wells' problem is that he hasn't produced on a regular basis, and he's a lockerroom risk. give a guy like that 50-60 million and you can't move him if he's blowing out his knee or starting bringing down the team (see blazers and grizzlies).
 
bonzi wells' problem is that he hasn't produced on a regular basis, and he's a lockerroom risk. give a guy like that 50-60 million and you can't move him if he's blowing out his knee or starting bringing down the team (see blazers and grizzlies).

Um....you might want to rethink your argument there given that those two teams did in fact move him. ;)
 
bonzi wells' problem is that he hasn't produced on a regular basis, and he's a lockerroom risk. give a guy like that 50-60 million and you can't move him if he's blowing out his knee or starting bringing down the team (see blazers and grizzlies).


Also, Bonzi was never as happy in those two places as he was here. He got the chance to start and play big minutes every night! He didn't get that opportunity in other places. Notice that with headcases like that, they've come to Sacramento and changed their images to more of a positive one! CWebb, Artest, Bonzi, etc.
 
Also, Bonzi was never as happy in those two places as he was here. He got the chance to start and play big minutes every night! He didn't get that opportunity in other places. Notice that with headcases like that, they've come to Sacramento and changed their images to more of a positive one! CWebb, Artest, Bonzi, etc.

do not underestimate the value of the coach in those transformations -- the fans were always great, but it wasn't until the former regime that problem guys starting showing up here and reahbilitating themselves. When a coach shows confidence in you and lets you be yourself, it has to help.
 
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