Backup C?

[Bricklayer]

I would think a Brad/Etan/SAR/Elson frontcourt would be easy enough to pull off. KT plus sweetner for Etan. Sign Elson with part of MLE. Use rest of MLE on Bobby. Offseason done?

Easy enough to do and an improvement...but likely not enough to really get us over the hump.

Mentioned this last year -- just having defensive types or whatnot on the roster isn't enough if the bulk of the minutes go to the offensive guys. We need at least one guy who can displace or replace our frontcourt softies as a starter. Just getting defensive upgrades at our 8th/9th/10th type men or whatnot isn't going to change the layup drill that teams will be laying on us for the 30+ min our starting bigs are out there. Think we have to be careful not to do the Denver here and fool ourselves into thinking a hot finish makes us contenders while we just touch up around the edges. We aren't THAT close to winning a title.

 

[Kings113]

Well, I didn't say SAR would be starting. That's not how I was proposing it, nor in most of my proposals for the FC.

Assuming Brad/SAR are on the roster, it should go: Defensive starting PF (SAR back up), Brad (defensive back-up C, Elson or whoever). With Muss, I'd think he'd go that route...

 

[Bricklayer]

In order to make that viable though, that defensive PF/C had better be quite good. You're going to have a hard time telling Reef or Brad, or even convincing a coach, to start a career roleplayer over former All-Stars + give him the bulk of the minutes. Not to mention of course the need, given our near worst in the league interior status, for that guy to really be an impact guy. Not as if he is going to get much support from whichever softies return. So while many good defensive teams can get away with a very good interior defender, knowing that there are multiple other good ones on the roster, any guy we plug into a rotation with Brad and Reef would really have to be something special because he's not getting any support. He IS the interior defense. I like Etan and would not at all mind having him as a backup, but he is not so good as to be able to anchor an interior defense singlehandedly.

 

[Kings113]

Well, with Eddie Griffin likely not an option anymore, who do you think for PF?

Myself, I'd only keep SAR out of our 4 FC guys right now, have him start or come off the bench, and trade Brad. I also think there's some uncertainity with Brad, along with KT/Pota of course, just not as much as them.

I'd be okay with Brad still here, but just gotta have a defensive big next to him. Brad/SAR just isn't solid defensively.

 

[nbrans]

I really like the Jackie Butler idea for backup PF/C. He lacks ideal size since he's only 6'10", but he's big, he's skilled, he can rebound and block shots. He's only 21. Supposedly one of the many reasons Knicks management was upset with Larry Brown was because he was playing Jackie Butler ahead of Jerome James, Isiah Thomas' prized free agent. Now that Isiah is calling all of the shots, he might be available for the MLE.

Here's Jackie Butler's per/48 stats:

18.9 points, 11.8 rebounds, 1.6 assists, 2.0 blocks

I don't think there's a viable starter available in free agency -- I think either Portland or one of the teams with cap room will sign Pryzbilla for more than the MLE.

Supposedly Chicago is shopping Tyson Chandler. Right now they're looking at using his as a bargaining chip for a star, but it would be interesting to see if the Kings could put together a package that would intrigue Chicago. The centerpiece would probably have to be either Miller or SAR and probably also include Garcia or Martin. But some combination of SAR/Chandler/Butler or Chandler/Miller/Butler would solve a lot of problems.

Also, given this lackluster draft, one way to dump Kenny Thomas would be to send him to a team with cap room and include our #19 as compensation for paying his salary for the next twenty years.

 

[Kings113]

I like Butler also.

 

[nbrans]

I like Butler also.

Here's what John Hollinger had to say about Jackie Butler today:

Vince (LA): What do you think of Knicks free agent Jackie Butler? Could he be a sleeper?

John Hollinger: He is absolutely, positively, the single biggest sleeper in this year's free agent class, hands down. I'm not saying he'll be a star or anything, but he's better than the starters on a lot of teams, and I'm not sure the Knicks know what they have.


http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=12148

 

[walker60]

I like Butler too. Isn't he a restricted FA though? I know the Knicks are dumb and may let him walk, but they also aren't cheap. They probably wouldn't have any problems matching somebody's offer. That said, I would really like to us get him.

 

[nbrans]

I like Butler too. Isn't he a restricted FA though? I know the Knicks are dumb and may let him walk, but they also aren't cheap. They probably wouldn't have any problems matching somebody's offer. That said, I would really like to us get him.

Yeah, he's restricted. Might make it more difficult.

 

[Bricklayer]

Supposedly Chicago is shopping Tyson Chandler. Right now they're looking at using his as a bargaining chip for a star, but it would be interesting to see if the Kings could put together a package that would intrigue Chicago. The centerpiece would probably have to be either Miller or SAR and probably also include Garcia or Martin. But some combination of SAR/Chandler/Butler or Chandler/Miller/Butler would solve a lot of problems.

Have noted the Chandler rumors as well. Very interesting. He may really be out there. And of course a Chandler/#2 package sitting out there is sexy as all hell. Grab an Aldridge or whatnot and instanly go from stumpy middleaged frontcourt to young, long, atheltic one. But we just may not have the horses to get it done. Offering Brad would be the easy opening salvo, but who would the second piece be. Brad, #19...then the next piece or two gets expensive. SAR, Cisco, something.

Also, given this lackluster draft, one way to dump Kenny Thomas would be to send him to a team with cap room and include our #19 as compensation for paying his salary for the next twenty years.

Er, lackluster draft or not there are very few players out there so reprehensible you blow a mid first round pick just to dump them. KT certainly isn't one of them.

 

[Jerryaki]

dunno if this is posted anywhere, but my girlfriend was in san antonio for work this morning and overheard on the radio that nazr's first chocie for signing this offseason is with chicago (he's from there). also that they're looking to try to get scola there this offseason.

 

[Kings113]

Potential deal with the Spurs? I bet they'd want Nocioni, and would have another Argentenian national player, who fits their style too. Would be that athletic, hustling swingman they want off the bench for awhile now.

Can definitely see Nazr to the Bulls.

Imagine this line-up on the floor at times for the Spurs:

Parker/Manu/Bowen/Nocioni/Duncan - say hello Phoenix . That'd be fun to see that team go at it with the Suns line-ups and vice versa.

 

[Bricklayer]

Er...Nazr can just sign straight up in Chicago with all their cap room. No need for a trade. Scola...value is uncertain. And frankly I'm not really sure what the Spurs are trying to do right now. They feel oddly reactive, like the playoffs stole their confidence in who they are.

 

[Kings113]

True about Nazr, but I mainly meant Scola in the deal, and was off my imagination of Nocioni w/ the Spurs and his Argentina connection.

 

[SacTownKid]

Does he? I ask that legitimately. Have no idea + have never seen it from him, but wasn;t really paying that close of attention. He's got no Princeton ties at all, and I don't recall it at Golden State where his big men were Foyle and Dampier. Murphy at least shot outside, but passed? Maybe I just didn't watch enough Golden State games.

He said he did in his conference call when he was hired. And if you look at most team in the league, a good portion of them use Princeton sets. Nobody will run a pure Princeton anymore I don't think.

But Muss likes to play uptempo on offense and lockdown on defense.

 

[SacTownKid]

In order to make that viable though, that defensive PF/C had better be quite good. You're going to have a hard time telling Reef or Brad, or even convincing a coach, to start a career roleplayer over former All-Stars + give him the bulk of the minutes. Not to mention of course the need, given our near worst in the league interior status, for that guy to really be an impact guy. Not as if he is going to get much support from whichever softies return. So while many good defensive teams can get away with a very good interior defender, knowing that there are multiple other good ones on the roster, any guy we plug into a rotation with Brad and Reef would really have to be something special because he's not getting any support. He IS the interior defense. I like Etan and would not at all mind having him as a backup, but he is not so good as to be able to anchor an interior defense singlehandedly.

You mean like Kenny Thomas? Haha. Etan was starting over Haywood last year because is way more solid in rebounding and defense. Muss isn't afraid to bench his stars if they aren't performing.

 

[Kings113]

SAR I don't think would be like KT in coming off the bench, I think he'd accept it, or at least not be used off the bench all the time. He's a team guy and just wants to win, and a half season of it I doubt subtracts it.

 

[SacTownKid]

Reef didn't have a problem with it last season so it really doesn't even seem like an issue to me. He'll still get the bulk of the minutes.

 

[SacTownKid]

I was thinking, how about Loren Woods. Tall, athletic, shotblocker, nice touch, can play PF. Hmmm...

Probably could get him real cheap and could do well for us.

http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/312/loren_woods/

 

[Kings113]

Couldn't hurt, seems okay. Think Elson/Cato/Butler would be better to go after first though.

 

[Bricklayer]

You mean like Kenny Thomas? Haha. Etan was starting over Haywood last year because is way more solid in rebounding and defense. Muss isn't afraid to bench his stars if they aren't performing.

Kenny is a bit more than just a roleplayer. His problem actually. He's a low level starter not really able to excel in a limited role.

Meanwhile Etan is nearly as accomplished as Haywood. But for the record Haywood was not amused.

As for Muss -- you have mentioend that several times without realizing the irony -- it was one fo the traits that caused him to fail and got him fired last time. His stars revolted against his heavy-handedness. If nobody follows, does not matter how brilliant a leader you are.

 

[SacTownKid]

Kenny is a bit more than just a roleplayer. His problem actually. He's a low level starter not really able to excel in a limited role.

Meanwhile Etan is nearly as accomplished as Haywood. But for the record Haywood was not amused.

As for Muss -- you have mentioend that several times without realizing the irony -- it was one fo the traits that caused him to fail and got him fired last time. His stars revolted against his heavy-handedness. If nobody follows, does not matter how brilliant a leader you are.

And it has since come to light that it wasn't nearly as big a problem as the rumors would have you believe. I watched the whole thing go down, Mullin wanted his "guy". And even though Monty hasn't done **** with a much more established roster he still keeps his job.

 

[Farms Block]

I think as far as backup C's that are free agents we NEED to look at Jamal Magloire and Joel Pryzbilla. I'd like the big cat more than Pryzbilla because he's more of an all-around guy, but Pryzbilla can swat shots and rebound like a mad man. Either one would be cool.

 

[Bricklayer]

I think as far as backup C's that are free agents we NEED to look at Jamal Magloire and Joel Pryzbilla. I'd like the big cat more than Pryzbilla because he's more of an all-around guy, but Pryzbilla can swat shots and rebound like a mad man. Either one would be cool.

Magliore isn't actually a free agent until next year, but he is apparently very much available via trade.

 

[hammystyle]

I think as far as backup C's that are free agents we NEED to look at Jamal Magloire and Joel Pryzbilla. I'd like the big cat more than Pryzbilla because he's more of an all-around guy, but Pryzbilla can swat shots and rebound like a mad man. Either one would be cool.

Magloire is the one guy I don't want. The Bucks aren't trying to get rid of him because he's valuable, its because he's a cancer and everyone hates him. He's a pretty good rebounder and decent defender, but he complains about not getting enough shots all the time.

 

[Farms Block]

Magloire is the one guy I don't want. The Bucks aren't trying to get rid of him because he's valuable, its because he's a cancer and everyone hates him. He's a pretty good rebounder and decent defender, but he complains about not getting enough shots all the time.

It would seem that Bogut would be the up and coming for the Bucks and If everyone hates him why wouldn't the Bucks want to get rid of him?

Regardless, if he did come to the Kings he'd have to accept the fact that he'd be a backup if Miller stays. The guy averaged just under a double double a game in 30 mpg with a block a night. He won't get those minutes with the Kings but If he came with the right attitutde might be worth it.

 

[hammystyle]

It would seem that Bogut would be the up and coming for the Bucks and If everyone hates him why wouldn't the Bucks want to get rid of him?

Regardless, if he did come to the Kings he'd have to accept the fact that he'd be a backup if Miller stays. The guy averaged just under a double double a game in 30 mpg with a block a night. He won't get those minutes with the Kings but If he came with the right attitutde might be worth it.

Actually, if the trade centers around KT. Then I'd be quite happy to go get Magloire. He won't come in with the right attitude though. He thinks he's a lot better than he really is, and if his minutes (and shots) are down in his contract year, he'll probly be a sh#$head.

Maybe though, he'll have the contract year attitude adjustment. That actually could be a real good thing.

 

[Kings113]

never heard of him having attitude problems.

 

[walker60]

While Magloire is a nice player, albeit a little overrated, him and Miller would be an awfully slow front line. Defensively, I don't think they would be very good.

 

[Farms Block]

There's an tidbit on fanball.com that Magloire is possibly going to the Wizards anyway.

06/30 12:30Bucks: Magloire still on the blockTHE NEWS
Center Jamaal Magloire remains on the trading block, and a deal between the Bucks and the Wizards is currently being discussed, according to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel.

Our View
The Bucks want to move Magloire to give former No. 1 overall pick Andrew Bogut a bigger role, and the Wizards desperately need a post presence like Magloire to anchor the paint. This makes a frightening amount of sense.