Backup C?

[Bricklayer]

Of coure it will be unpopular, but fact is that I had pondered a move for LaFrentz during the previous Kings administration for the very reasons you stated (although occassonally as part of a deal to nab Pierce ).

Thing is that raef a) is not the shotblocker he once was, although he still egts a few; and b) really is not a good defender despite the shotblocking. Very soft. So yeah, he could stay out of Bonzi and ROn's way, but at what cost? Think I'd ratehr got the Tyson Chandler type route (not necessarily him) where the big man stays out of the way just because he has no offensive game, but at least can do all those nifty things you'd like big guys to do -- rebound, board etc.

 

[SacTownKid]

Theo Ratliff??? I think he could be had for expirings. And looking at his deal he expires right at the same time Ron does, giving us cap space to re-sign him.

 

[AriesMar27]

Of coure it will be unpopular, but fact is that I had pondered a move for LaFrentx during the previous administration for the very reasons you stated (although occassonally as part of a deal to nab Pierce ).

Thing is that raef a) is not the shotblocker he once was, although he still egts a few; and b) really is not a good defender despite the shotblocking. Very soft. So yeah, he could stay out of Bonzi and ROn's way, but at what cost? Think I'd ratehr got the Tyson Chandler type route (not necessarily him) where the big man stays out of the way just because he has no offensive game, but at least can do all those nifty things you'd like big guys to do -- rebound, board etc.

i thought about pierce aswell.... throwin bonzi, thomas, corliss and vitaly for pierce and raef....

the thing about raef, like kandi... i saw as more of an attainable piece than a necessity.... is there defense any worse than thomas'? both raef and kandi are obviously taller than kenny which is an instant upgrade.... if we just lose kenny and filler, what do we really lose? because honestly, how would we get a chandler type player... how many teams with a chandler type will trade him for for thomas? miller maybe... but that still leaves us with thomas....

 

[Kings113]

Ratliff would be quite good for back-up C. Didn't think about him in that, as he'd be better off in a limited role like Cato, too.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

lets sign jason collins for center, trade brad miller for stephon marbury, trade mike bibby for kwame brown and sign jason terry with the LLE. we'll have a sick *** squad with taht.

start kwame at center, jason collins at pf, reef at sf, marbury at sg and jason terry at pg.

 

[Bricklayer]

i thought about pierce aswell.... throwin bonzi, thomas, corliss and vitaly for pierce and raef....

the thing about raef, like kandi... i saw as more of an attainable piece than a necessity.... is there defense any worse than thomas'? both raef and kandi are obviously taller than kenny which is an instant upgrade.... if we just lose kenny and filler, what do we really lose? because honestly, how would we get a chandler type player... how many teams with a chandler type will trade him for for thomas? miller maybe... but that still leaves us with thomas....

Well, not really sure Pierce makes sense anymore -- Ron is there, and at OG we already have a strong vet, and two kids with potential. Its still Paul Pierce and you make a move if its there, but its no longer something I would pursue the way I would have when we had an aging Doug and a SF without his heart into it. Now the weakness is up front, and its also unclear how much Muss's system will take advantage of face up bigs (I forget whether Troy Murphy was a favorite of his, or one of the many he clashed wiht in G.S.). But who knows, maybe the Celtics would be nice enough to throw in Pierce as an extra in a deal for LaFrentz.

 

[Ryle]

For the hundredth time, Miller is not a power forward.

Hell, on most teams, the power forward averages more rebounds than the center; Miller doesn't even average more rebounds than the shooting guard. And, on pretty much every team but Dallas and Phoenix, the power forward has something resembling a post game... and even then, those two PF's (Nowitzki and Marion) still get rebounds.

I disagree. I think Brad is better suited for the PF position. Anyone remember when Webb was out and we started Brad alongside Vlade that year and he was probably the most productive he has ever been. Vlade was not exactly what you would call a defensive stalwart but he was big and moved better than Brad did . He was putting up big numbers not only in scoring but in rebounding. Check the stats.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

On the contrary, I do remember, but you kind of glossed over the most salient point of that whole argument: Vlade Divac.

It was all about Divac and the system. They made him look better than he actually is, as should be evident by Divac's departure. You can't put it on Webber, because since Webber got traded, he's still been mediocre.

Just like he did for Stojakovic, Divac made Miller look better than he actually is. He's not a good scorer, even if he's a decent perimeter shooter, and he's not a good rebounder.

And he's also not a power forward.

 

[kingkung]

lets sign jason collins for center, trade brad miller for stephon marbury, trade mike bibby for kwame brown and sign jason terry with the LLE. we'll have a sick *** squad with taht.

start kwame at center, jason collins at pf, reef at sf, marbury at sg and jason terry at pg.

I don't think we should do that because that would make our team a little too good. We don't want to win too many championships and earn a target on our backs from the rest of the league. We have to win a championship or two, but lay low in the process.

 

[Kings113]

Jason Collins would be fine at big as long as you have a rebounder/scorer/shotblocker next to him. Like Nene/KG/Yao/JO.

As Collins is a great defender and intangible guy, which don't show up on the stat sheet. So people see he's low on stats for a starting a big man and think he's absolute garbage.

 

[Larry89]

lets sign jason collins for center, trade brad miller for stephon marbury, trade mike bibby for kwame brown and sign jason terry with the LLE. we'll have a sick *** squad with taht.

start kwame at center, jason collins at pf, reef at sf, marbury at sg and jason terry at pg.

 

[walker60]

lets sign jason collins for center, trade brad miller for stephon marbury, trade mike bibby for kwame brown and sign jason terry with the LLE. we'll have a sick *** squad with taht.

start kwame at center, jason collins at pf, reef at sf, marbury at sg and jason terry at pg.

Miller is better than Kwame. KT is better than Collins. Ron is better than Reef. Bonzi is a better SG than Marbury. Bibby is better than Terry. We would be worse at every position.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Jason Collins would be fine at big as long as you have a rebounder/scorer/shotblocker next to him.

I think anyone would be fine when paired with someone with quite that extensive of a skillset

I think a Milller/Collins/SAR/Armstrong (or Alexander Johnson, Sene, etc) frontcourt would be a good enough step in the right direction.

 

[LPKingsFan]

KT may be better than Collins in terms of pure skills. But Collins would be a much better fit, for what we need, IMO. Perchance a swap can be arranged? For some reason I really see NJ as a possible destination for KT.

 

[Amanjoy]

How well did drafting Diop turn out for Cleveland?

Diop was drafted right out of high school. To this date, the only big men that ave done well right out of high schoolhave been Moses Malone, KG, Amare, and D Howard. Diop has turned into a nice roll player for Dallas...who really ddidn't start making noise until he was put in the starting lineup.

Sene might be more of a project, but Armstrong is a 22 year-old senior with 4 years of experience at one of the best schools in the country. The only reason he didn't get a chance to truly develop is because he was behind Okefor, and Josh Boone. However, I think Armstrong can ccome in and contribute immediately as a spark off the bench with his rebounding, shot-blocking, and ability to finish around the basket. Scouts say he's got great hands and a decent 15-foot jump shot. Works for me!

 

[nbrans]

Diop was drafted right out of high school. To this date, the only big men that ave done well right out of high schoolhave been Moses Malone, KG, Amare, and D Howard. Diop has turned into a nice roll player for Dallas...who really ddidn't start making noise until he was put in the starting lineup.

Sene might be more of a project, but Armstrong is a 22 year-old senior with 4 years of experience at one of the best schools in the country. The only reason he didn't get a chance to truly develop is because he was behind Okefor, and Josh Boone. However, I think Armstrong can ccome in and contribute immediately as a spark off the bench with his rebounding, shot-blocking, and ability to finish around the basket. Scouts say he's got great hands and a decent 15-foot jump shot. Works for me!

My post about Diop was in reference to Sene, because project players that take three or four year to pan out rarely pan out for the team that drafted them. It often takes a change of scenery.

Armstrong and Johnson are slightly more polished projects, but it remains to be seen how their game will translate to the pros. Johnson is very raw offensively and Armstrong lacks strength. I wouldn't mind seeing any of these guys being drafted because at least they're athletic, but as I've said before, I'd rather address the interior problem through trades/free agency and draft a backup PG.

 

[kingman2716]

lets sign jason collins for center, trade brad miller for stephon marbury, trade mike bibby for kwame brown and sign jason terry with the LLE. we'll have a sick *** squad with taht.

start kwame at center, jason collins at pf, reef at sf, marbury at sg and jason terry at pg.

didnt jason collins die of heart failure of something??????

 

[walker60]

^^ No that was Jason Collier.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I think anyone would be fine when paired with someone with quite that extensive of a skillset

cougholowokandicough

And Kandi's even more impressive than the average bum: he's played alongside two great PF's (Brand and Garnett) and still managed to be sorry! That's got to take talent of some sort...

 

[Fresno King]

How about Scot Pollard?

 

[Kings113]

As our back-up C? No way. Guy just isn't what he was. There are many better that we can get for back-up C.

 

[Rome]

Like someone mentioned earlier, lets get the starting lineup done first. We're never gonna win anything with Miller as a starting C. We're gonna go to playoffs but always fall short due to having a center who can't make his shots when they count. The guy has had a horrible playoff career ever since joining the Kings. There's a reason to this though. A slow no post/non rebounding/no defense jump shooter is easily shut down in the playoffs. You can put a guard on Miller and shut him down and out rebuond him. That kind of stuff won't help us so I say we trade Miller for some big men who can rebound and block shots. That will also help us get rid of his huge contract and allow us to move forward. Now looking for some pieces to trade him for is the hard part.

 

[Kings113]

Absolutely agreed. ^

If not, there MUST be a defensive PF next to him...

 

[SacTownKid]

The thing is, we may need Brad more than ever considering the vast talents he does have. We always mention how our PG plays like a SG, our SG and SF play like PF's, and our C plays like a PG. Well, that being the case then I guess our C needs to have those certain skills.

We need his shooting and passing ability for sure, we just need a player next to him that compliments his skill set. I am confident he will find his place on the floor. Muss likes to run the Princeton so his passing talents should be well utilized.

 

[Kings113]

Brad better get back to rebounding then.

Brad/Nene or Etan Thomas, w/ a solid back-up C like Elson/Cato would be sweet.

Etan or Nene-SAR
Brad-Elson

I'm digging that.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Brad better get back to rebounding then.

Brad/Nene or Etan Thomas, w/ a solid back-up C like Elson/Cato would be sweet.

Etan or Nene-SAR
Brad-Elson

I'm digging that.

I would think a Brad/Etan/SAR/Elson frontcourt would be easy enough to pull off. KT plus sweetner for Etan. Sign Elson with part of MLE. Use rest of MLE on Bobby. Offseason done?

 

[Bricklayer]

Muss likes to run the Princeton so his passing talents should be well utilized.

Does he? I ask that legitimately. Have no idea + have never seen it from him, but wasn;t really paying that close of attention. He's got no Princeton ties at all, and I don't recall it at Golden State where his big men were Foyle and Dampier. Murphy at least shot outside, but passed? Maybe I just didn't watch enough Golden State games.

 

[Warhawk]

Does he? I ask that legitimately. Have no idea + have never seen it from him, but wasn;t really paying that close of attention. He's got no Princeton ties at all, and I don't recall it at Golden State where his big men were Foyle and Dampier. Murphy at least shot outside, but passed? Maybe I just didn't watch enough Golden State games.

Ditto - same impression here.

 

[hammystyle]

I would think a Brad/Etan/SAR/Elson frontcourt would be easy enough to pull off. KT plus sweetner for Etan. Sign Elson with part of MLE. Use rest of MLE on Bobby. Offseason done?

That's pretty doable. I think picking up Eton and Elson would be a little redundant, so I might get Jackie Butler from the Knicks.

Either way, this would be a solid (if a little boring) offseason personnel wise. Although I'd be excited if we got Butler no matter what.

 

[Kings113]

Forgot about Butler, I'd also like him for back-up C.

But yeah, LP, I'd call that an off-season. Don't think we'd necessarily have to get B-Jax, as there are other younger two-way guards out there. But he'd be a fine choice, of course.