Artest WILL be traded

[sactownfan]

its not a matter of IF anymore, after todays comments, its a done deal. Now its a matter of when and for who?

SO.... PLAN A...

My guess is... Petrie likes to play it cool and wait till the last min. so most likely that means trade deadline...

Im sure theres gonna be a team come trade deadline that will be looking to help its chances in the playoffs... and when that happens Petrie will be getting one or a combo of these at the very least...

a first round pick, future first round pick, unloading bad contracts(kenny thomas,SAR,Moore) for expiring contracts, young talented player or players.

Petrie's not gonna panic and give him away for nothing if a team isn't willing to give us something we want, we just let him walk at the end of the year and thats not all that bad...

I really think we could see Kobe forcing the Lakers to take Kenny Thomas with Artest for Odom.... or a trade very similar to this...

OR PLAN B...

Maybe even the Maloofs have grown tired of Artest, along with Reggie and Petrie. so instead of risking bad chemistry or a meltdown during the season we trade him this offseason... again I think the trade no matter when he goes, will be about the same kinda deal... us trying to unload KT, SAR, ect. or taking back youth, or picks...

ARTEST THANKS FOR NOT OPTING OUT! I REALLY THINK WE WILL GET SOMETHING GOOD IN RETURN FOR THROWING YOU OUTA TOWN!

 

[Vlade4GM]

It's not a done deal.

 

[RunNGun]

Don't count your chickens and all that. The key to this whole trade possibility is someone making a good offer. Like always dumb GMs are gonna try to steal RonRon for nothing and that's not good for anyone. Josh Howard or Gerald Wallace, and maybe a late 1st or early 2nd round pick, that's a trade. An expiring for a mid-late 1st rounder is not.

 

[LPKingsFan]

In normal cases, I'd agree with you. But Geoff's shown himself to be exceedingly conservative in making deals of late. I'd say the least you could say is Artest SHOULD be traded. By all means. Now, when and for whom?

As for when, of course you can say "wait for the deadline." But I'd argue the sooner the better for several reasons. First, he's already become a distraction by changing his mind less than 24 hours after deciding not to opt out. We don't need a distraction during our rebuild. Second, there's always the risk of another "incident," be it as minor as him telling Reggie to shove off and not sub out to demanding a trade to something as big as... well... I don't want to go there. Third, I think waiting for the deadline to deal Ron last year hurt his value. We clearly didn't like what offers we were getting then (and by we, I mean Geoff) and I don't know how you can say they'll be much better this winter. I'm sure some contenders will be interested in Ron, but I'd imagine they'd be more interested in having him the entire season.

And that gets to the who. With the Beno signing, there is no longer a pressing need at the point, which gives us some more flexibility (sorry, I hate that word too) in what we're looking for. I'd imagine anyone from LA to San Antonio to Houston to Phoenix to Dallas to Denver, not to mention the potential resurgent Clippers or even the defending champs (if Posey goes elsewhere). Getting a good deal? Well, that's the hard part.

 

[Bricklayer]

In normal cases, I'd agree with you. But Geoff's shown himself to be exceedingly conservative in making deals of late. I'd say the least you could say is Artest SHOULD be traded. By all means. Now, when and for whom?

As for when, of course you can say "wait for the deadline." But I'd argue the sooner the better for several reasons. First, he's already become a distraction by changing his mind less than 24 hours after deciding not to opt out. We don't need a distraction during our rebuild. Second, there's always the risk of another "incident," be it as minor as him telling Reggie to shove off and not sub out to demanding a trade to something as big as... well... I don't want to go there. Third, I think waiting for the deadline to deal Ron last year hurt his value. We clearly didn't like what offers we were getting then (and by we, I mean Geoff) and I don't know how you can say they'll be much better this winter. I'm sure some contenders will be interested in Ron, but I'd imagine they'd be more interested in having him the entire season.

And that gets to the who. With the Beno signing, there is no longer a pressing need at the point, which gives us some more flexibility (sorry, I hate that word too) in what we're looking for. I'd imagine anyone from LA to San Antonio to Houston to Phoenix to Dallas to Denver, not to mention the potential resurgent Clippers or even the defending champs (if Posey goes elsewhere). Getting a good deal? Well, that's the hard part.

You just raised an interesting possibility that could really benefit us -- so the Clippers just signed 29yr old Baron Davis to win now right? To team with 29 yr old Elton Brand to win now? I wonder, I really do, if they might actually consider giving us Gordon or Thornton w/ a matching salary in return for Ron to create the monster Baron/who cares (Cat maybe)/Artest/Brand/Kaman squad that really COULD make some noise now. As op[posed to being half vets and half kids the way we have insisted on being. No idea how they could afford to resign Ron after the year is over is the only thing, but that would be a helluva threatening quartet.

 

[DocHolliday]

In normal cases, I'd agree with you. But Geoff's shown himself to be exceedingly conservative in making deals of late. I'd say the least you could say is Artest SHOULD be traded. By all means. Now, when and for whom?

As for when, of course you can say "wait for the deadline." But I'd argue the sooner the better for several reasons. First, he's already become a distraction by changing his mind less than 24 hours after deciding not to opt out. We don't need a distraction during our rebuild. Second, there's always the risk of another "incident," be it as minor as him telling Reggie to shove off and not sub out to demanding a trade to something as big as... well... I don't want to go there. Third, I think waiting for the deadline to deal Ron last year hurt his value. We clearly didn't like what offers we were getting then (and by we, I mean Geoff) and I don't know how you can say they'll be much better this winter. I'm sure some contenders will be interested in Ron, but I'd imagine they'd be more interested in having him the entire season.

And that gets to the who. With the Beno signing, there is no longer a pressing need at the point, which gives us some more flexibility (sorry, I hate that word too) in what we're looking for. I'd imagine anyone from LA to San Antonio to Houston to Phoenix to Dallas to Denver, not to mention the potential resurgent Clippers or even the defending champs (if Posey goes elsewhere). Getting a good deal? Well, that's the hard part.

I agree with you that waiting until the deadline isn't the best option. If they are going to deal Artest they have to deal him before the start of the season, and before the start of camp.

If you were a player on the Kings would you want to play with Artest anymore? I wouldn't. He's regretting opting in?? What exactly does he mean? Especially when he knows he couldn't have gotten more money, because of the cap situation with many teams. As a player on that team that leads me to believe one thing, he doesn't want to play for this team, or possibly just doesn't like the organization. It turn that means he doesn't like me and the rest of the teammates. In my opinion, I'd tell him to get to steppin' then, because we do not need him to play.

In my eyes there is a fracture between him and the rest of the team, which again lowers his value unfortunately, but the Kings have to trade him due to team chemistry issues at this part. The collective is more important than the individual at this point, you don't want to taint the rest of the team with his poison.

 

[Bricklayer]

To further build out LPs Clippers musing:

To Clippers:
Ron Artest $8.45mil (ending)

To Kings:
Tim Thomas $6.05mil (2yrs)
Al Thornton $1.8mil (rookie)

Leaving the Clips (after a few resignings) with:

C-Kaman
PF-Brand
SF-Artest
SG-Gordon
PG-Davis

Bench
PG-Knight
SG-Mobley
PF-Powel


And leaving us with the makings of a full fledged youth movement (although Thornton is like Cisco and not that young). We would potentially have the SG (Kevin), SF (Thornton), PF (Thompson), and C (Hawes) of the future all on the squad.

 

[Emma]

thornton has to be younger than Cisco, Cisco is 26 isn't he?

 

[Rockmeister]

To further build out LPs Clippers musing:

To Clippers:
Ron Artest $8.45mil (ending)

To Kings:
Tim Thomas $6.05mil (2yrs)
Al Thornton $1.8mil (rookie)

Leaving the Clips (after a few resignings) with:

C-Kaman
PF-Brand
SF-Artest
SG-Gordon
PG-Davis

Bench
PG-Knight
SG-Mobley
PF-Powel


And leaving us with the makings of a full fledged youth movement (although Thornton is like Cisco and not that young). We would potentially have the SG (Kevin), SF (Thornton), PF (Thompson), and C (Hawes) of the future all on the squad.

I'll go for this trade.

 

[hrdboild]

Now that's a deal I would be all for. I would think the Clippers are pretty high on Thornton right now, but Artest might be too good to pass up.

 

[Vlade4GM]

You just raised an interesting possibility that could really benefit us -- so the Clippers just signed 29yr old Baron Davis to win now right? To team with 29 yr old Elton Brand to win now? I wonder, I really do, if they might actually consider giving us Gordon or Thornton w/ a matching salary in return for Ron to create the monster Baron/who cares (Cat maybe)/Artest/Brand/Kaman squad that really COULD make some noise now. As op[posed to being half vets and half kids the way we have insisted on being. No idea how they could afford to resign Ron after the year is over is the only thing, but that would be a helluva threatening quartet.

Eh, maybe. Weren't the clips interested in Ron the season before last? They may not think it's necessary now though, they like Thornton a lot.

 

[imabored]

thornton has to be younger than Cisco, Cisco is 26 isn't he?

yeah thorton is turning 25 in December.

 

[AriesMar27]

would we really need gordon? but the lakers would become the front runners for artest if the clippers become as good as advertised with baron on the squad....

 

[Vlade4GM]

would we really need gordon? but the lakers would become the front runners for artest if the clippers become as good as advertised with baron on the squad....

The lakers aren't trading for Artest unless they get to dump some salaries on us which we know isn't happening. Even if the clippers get both Baron and Brand, the lakers aren't anymore threatened by them than they are Utah, Dallas, or SA. Clippers would have a good lineup, but their bench would lack a lot.

As far as needing Gordon, who cares? He's a very good young prospect and I'd take any good young talent we could get for Artest.

 

[JerN820]

To further build out LPs Clippers musing:

To Clippers:
Ron Artest $8.45mil (ending)

To Kings:
Tim Thomas $6.05mil (2yrs)
Al Thornton $1.8mil (rookie)

Leaving the Clips (after a few resignings) with:

C-Kaman
PF-Brand
SF-Artest
SG-Gordon
PG-Davis

Bench
PG-Knight
SG-Mobley
PF-Powel


And leaving us with the makings of a full fledged youth movement (although Thornton is like Cisco and not that young). We would potentially have the SG (Kevin), SF (Thornton), PF (Thompson), and C (Hawes) of the future all on the squad.

This makes much more sense and wouldnt be a waste of a trade like it would be if we got Odom.

 

[Henkel]

Davis and Brand are only like 29 i think. The Clippers should stand pat and allow Thorton and Gordon to develop and hope to make a run over the next 3-4 years. If they can add a defensive big off the bench that team could be scary.

 

[Packt]

ARTEST THANKS FOR NOT OPTING OUT! I REALLY THINK WE WILL GET SOMETHING GOOD IN RETURN FOR THROWING YOU OUTA TOWN!

And Artest would thank us back. This was always the best option for him and us. All the back and forth was Artest being Artest. Sometimes people think being open, and essentially thinking out loud, they'll be thought of better. It's almost always the opposite. People like you better when they know less about you.

Luckily this in no way hurts his value in any way. He's essentially an expiring contract for someone if they want him, and nothings changed.

If the Clippers want to contend, they'll need a good perimeter defender. They are a potential destination spot, but there's also Memphis.

Darko, and Crittenion for Artest. This would erase about 9 million from Memphis' salary next season, but wouldn't effect our 10/11 goal of capspace. It's win win for all sides. Salary relief for Memphis, a young big and pg with no unnecessary junk for us, and it would be a real kick to the curb.

 

[NewMonkey]

To further build out LPs Clippers musing:

To Clippers:
Ron Artest $8.45mil (ending)

To Kings:
Tim Thomas $6.05mil (2yrs)
Al Thornton $1.8mil (rookie)

Leaving the Clips (after a few resignings) with:

C-Kaman
PF-Brand
SF-Artest
SG-Gordon
PG-Davis

Bench
PG-Knight
SG-Mobley
PF-Powel


And leaving us with the makings of a full fledged youth movement (although Thornton is like Cisco and not that young). We would potentially have the SG (Kevin), SF (Thornton), PF (Thompson), and C (Hawes) of the future all on the squad.

I'm no fan of Tim Thomas, but I'd pull the trigger on this trade in a minute.

 

[Entity]

could some future draft picks take the place of Thomas??

 

[LPKingsFan]

could some future draft picks take the place of Thomas??

No, he's there to make the salaries match. But don't worry, his deal wouldn't mess up our plan for 2010.

Nice deal, Brickie

 

[KCKingsCountry]

I kind of like the idea of trading Artest for Thornton and Thomas. The more young type of pieces like Thornton can be packaged later for a big stud if needed.

 

[upinsmoke]

I have not had much luck on "trade checker" trying to trade artest for Josh howard without including our better players.

 

[hammystyle]

You just raised an interesting possibility that could really benefit us -- so the Clippers just signed 29yr old Baron Davis to win now right? To team with 29 yr old Elton Brand to win now? I wonder, I really do, if they might actually consider giving us Gordon or Thornton w/ a matching salary in return for Ron to create the monster Baron/who cares (Cat maybe)/Artest/Brand/Kaman squad that really COULD make some noise now. As op[posed to being half vets and half kids the way we have insisted on being. No idea how they could afford to resign Ron after the year is over is the only thing, but that would be a helluva threatening quartet.

In the words of Lou brown (Major League): "That's a hell of an idea."

I don't like Thonrton's game that much really, but he's a young asset and I don't think we're gonna get a knock out deal for Artest. It also makes LOADS of sense for the Clips. They'd rotate Gordon and Mobley at the two and let Artest guard the best wing scorer. BD, Brand and Kaman are solid defenders too so they'd have the makings of a really strong two-way squad. Not to mention some strong defenders on the bench too in Ross and Powell. They could be pretty good with Thornton, but Artest would really give them the shot at something special, along with a guy to guard Kobe in the playoffs.

Can we get Jordan too?

 

[nbrans]

It's crazy how there all of a sudden seem to be lots of appealing possibilities. Sure beats what was going on at the deadline. Have to give the front office credit for not panicking and taking a crap deal.

Warriors have to suddenly be interested, the Clippers, the Lakers, the Nuggets, the Rockets and Spurs (not much to offer us though)... and that's just the Western Conference.

 

[Bricklayer]

Have to give the front office credit for not panicking and taking a crap deal.

I know you love to give the front office (read Petrie) credit for anything and everything, but they just got lucky. Ron could have, and should have, and probably 20 times in the last 3 days had decided to, opt out and say bye bye for nothing.

But now given this opportunity, Geoff simply has to strike. That's his M.O. anyway -- he is not a great chessmaster as people liked to claim (maybe those who do not play chess). He plays chess like I do -- he waits for a mistake or an opening. Does not create them or plan them. Just waits for them. He's an opportunist. Well, opportunity just knocked, and just as Shareef fell into our laps and Salmons fell into our laps, and Ron nuked Indiana and the Pacers could not afford Brad and Keon abruptly hit the open market late in free agency and JJ was sitting at home lookng to hook onto a contender and Beno was abruptly traded and suddenly bought out...well, Ron suddenly might have some value. I don't think Geoff has a sophisticated plan. But he has shown himself very alive to the low hanging fruit, and this one is almost to the ground.

 

[SacTownKid]

I know you love to give the front office (read Petrie) credit for anything and everything, but they just got lucky. Ron could have, and should have, and probably 20 times in the last 3 days had decided to, opt out and say bye bye for nothing.

But now given this opportunity, Geoff simply has to strike. That's his M.O. anyway -- he is not a great chessmaster in the least. He plays chess like I do -- he waits for a mistake or an opening. Does not create them or plan them. Just waits for them. He's an opportunist. Well, opportunity just knocked.

yeah Ron could have very well just walked. And I would bet that Geoff woudn't have lost any sleep over it either.

 

[sdballer]

yeah Ron could have very well just walked. And I would bet that Geoff woudn't have lost any sleep over it either.

Not a good thing. You've got a piece with some value, and value that probably drops the longer unhappy Ron plays this season. I agree with Brick. Strike now.

 

[nbrans]

I know you love to give the front office (read Petrie) credit for anything and everything, but they just got lucky. Ron could have, and should have, and probably 20 times in the last 3 days had decided to, opt out and say bye bye for nothing.

But now given this opportunity, Geoff simply has to strike. That's his M.O. anyway -- he is not a great chessmaster in the least. He plays chess like I do -- he waits for a mistake or an opening. Does not create them or plan them. Just waits for them. He's an opportunist. Well, opportunity just knocked, and just as Shareef fell into our laps and Salmons fell into our laps, and Ron nuked Indiana and the Pacers could not afford Brad and Keon hit the open market and JJ was sitting at home lookng to hook onto acontender and Beno was abruptly traded and suddenly bought out...well, Ron suddenly might have some value. I don't think Geoff has a sophisticated plan. But he has shown himself very alive to the low hanging fruit, and this one is almost to the ground.

WTF with your attitude? It was a gamble that paid off. Good for the front office, good for Petrie, who cares. Way to make that into a personal attack on me.

 

[Bricklayer]

yeah Ron could have very well just walked. And I would bet that Geoff woudn't have lost any sleep over it either.

Likely true.

But now Ron's back, and in this situation I actually have confidence in Geoff making a move.

 

[Bricklayer]

WTF with your attitude? It was a gamble that paid off. Good for the front office, good for Petrie, who cares. Way to make that into a personal attack on me.

?

Not sure how you took it qs an attack on you -- I think if Geoff read that post he would likely quibble with who it was a personal attack upon. The first line was merely an acknowledgement of how you have always approached anything that could be accredited to Geoff (bad luck = excused, good luck = all to the credit) -- the rest of the post is obviously all about Geoff's true legacy as I see it. And actually in this case how I think it may work for us here.