Artest trade stuff HERE!! (merged)

[Bballkingsrock]

Its just too damn interesting a scenario not to suggest things:

Peja Stojakovic $7.6mil ending
Kenny Thomas $6.1mil
Kevin Martin $0.9mil
-------------$14.6mil

Ron Artest $6.5mil
Scot Pollard $6.3mil ending
Fred Jones $2.3mil
-----------$15.1mil

We get size and energy off the bench, along with an ending contract in a player familiar with teh system and popular amongst fans, and a potential Bobby replacement

Indiana cashes Pollard in for a better player and maybe Al Harrington replacement in KT, and gets a young skinny OG from the area with true OG height (given that they are waist deep in PGs now and Jones has to play OG for them) to try to make them forget Reggie (obviously not with QUITE the same shot ).

I'd hit it. Great reasons to for both teams. Petrie, you can do it. Bonzi + Ron = NASTY COMBO

 

[DocHolliday]

Only thing I don't like about his comments in this article. He's unhappy he's not getting the ball more. He wants to be able to score more, and he thinks that everyone he's up against it's a mismatch for the other team, that's why he DEMANDS the ball. That doesn't sound like he'll want to share. It sounds like whenever the ball comes to Artest that's where the ball movement would stop. With that attitude I'm not sure how he'd effect team chemistry. Also we'd have him for 2 and a half years, then he's going to try to head East. Where do we go from there for the 3 spot??

 

[VF21]

A couple of posts have been removed. Those involved know what they were. New members should read the tips for posting on Kingsfans.com Personal insults, name calling, etc. are NOT tolerated.

I'm reopening the thread. I'm reasonably sure this discussion can continue without the personal crap.

 

[SkinnerBox]

Peja for Artest is a bad idea. I think it may be another case of not knowing what we have until its gone *Cough*Webber*Cough*

We already have a problem with chemistry and you want to add Ron Artest to that? A guy who wants to be traded because he wants to isolate and become the next Kobe?

Granted he WOULD help with athleticism, toughness and heart, but he's not going to all of a sudden carry us to a championship, and I don't really feel like cheering for him.

 

[thesanityannex]

Peja for Artest is a bad idea. I think it may be another case of not knowing what we have until its gone *Cough*Webber*Cough*

We already have a problem with chemistry and you want to add Ron Artest to that? A guy who wants to be traded because he wants to isolate and become the next Kobe?

Granted he WOULD help with athleticism, toughness and heart, but he's not going to all of a sudden carry us to a championship, and I don't really feel like cheering for him.

peja will never have the impact webber had. the two situations can't be compared. this trade seems like a no brainer to me, and being a king's fan, it definitely won't happen. it's too good for the kings, they aren't this lucky.

 

[VF21]

As someone who is pretty much against it at this point because of the "risk," I would like to clarify one thing... IF Geoff Petrie does it, it will mean IMHO that he is pretty danged sure Artest isn't going to repeat prior bad acts. And it will also mean that the fondness Petrie has had for Peja over the years has finally come to an end.

 

[grandmastapoop]

Peja for Artest is a bad idea. I think it may be another case of not knowing what we have until its gone *Cough*Webber*Cough*

We already have a problem with chemistry and you want to add Ron Artest to that? A guy who wants to be traded because he wants to isolate and become the next Kobe?

Granted he WOULD help with athleticism, toughness and heart, but he's not going to all of a sudden carry us to a championship, and I don't really feel like cheering for him.

Artest wants to be the next Kobe? Is that why he said he'd like to go to Cleveland and be Lebron's BACK UP???

Please explain.

 

[DocHolliday]

Peja for Artest is a bad idea. I think it may be another case of not knowing what we have until its gone *Cough*Webber*Cough*

We already have a problem with chemistry and you want to add Ron Artest to that? A guy who wants to be traded because he wants to isolate and become the next Kobe?

Granted he WOULD help with athleticism, toughness and heart, but he's not going to all of a sudden carry us to a championship, and I don't really feel like cheering for him.

I knew what we had before we traded and I still know. A guy who can't guard an 80 year old with an oxygen tank and a walker anymore. It's not his fault he had some bad injuries, but doesn't make it any less true. Sure he can still give you some points and some rebounds, but little more than that. You've started to see the decline that was talked about already that was talked about when he was traded. I don't miss him. Only some of his passes.

In Peja you have a guy who can give you 25 points on any given night, the problem is you have a guy that can give you 4 points on any given night, and or disappear for a quarter or two. He gives you decent man defense, um but so does Ron Artest. You have a guy that you'll see occassionally run into someone and keep going. With Artest you have a guy that will run into you and knock you over and keep on going. Peja every now and then will have good rebounding game for him, let's say 8 rebounds. Most of the time though it's not going to happen, unless the ball bounces right to him. Consistancy is part of what makes a greatplayer or great shooter great. Maybe Artest could be another problem player that comes to Sacramento and is on his best behavior.

 

[funkykingston]

I'm not sure where I stand on the idea of dealing Peja for Ron-Ron. I suppose if I had to decide, I'd hold my nose and pull the trigger on that deal.

But I do think it is interesting that Kings fans are forgetting that Petrie once brought in a player who had at least as much on and off court baggage as Artest. Whether or not he is as crazy as Artest I'm not sure, but I am sure that this player:

(1) was arrested for fighting with a bouncer
(2) was picked up on marijuana possession
(3) was arrested for allegedly waving a handgun at another motorist
(4) had a warrant issued for arrest for failing to pay child support
(5) was accused of hitting another player over the head with a beer bottle in a bar
(6) Got into a fight with a teammate in a locker room
(7) In that same fight threw a free weight that injured a teammate trying to break up the fight
and finally,
(8) went INTO THE STANDS AND PUNCHED OUT A FAN who had been heckling him during the game.





Again, I'm not strongly in favor or completely against bringing Artest to the Kings, but his rap sheet is certainly shorter than Vernon Maxwell's.

 

[LPKingsFan]

I'm not sure where I stand on the idea of dealing Peja for Ron-Ron. I suppose if I had to decide, I'd hold my nose and pull the trigger on that deal.

But I do think it is interesting that Kings fans are forgetting that Petrie once brought in a player who had at least as much on and off court baggage as Artest. Whether or not he is as crazy as Artest I'm not sure, but I am sure that this player:

(1) was arrested for fighting with a bouncer
(2) was picked up on marijuana possession
(3) was arrested for allegedly waving a handgun at another motorist
(4) had a warrant issued for arrest for failing to pay child support
(5) was accused of hitting another player over the head with a beer bottle in a bar
(6) Got into a fight with a teammate in a locker room
(7) In that same fight threw a free weight that injured a teammate trying to break up the fight
and finally,
(8) went INTO THE STANDS AND PUNCHED OUT A FAN who had been heckling him during the game.





Again, I'm not strongly in favor or completely against bringing Artest to the Kings, but his rap sheet is certainly shorter than Vernon Maxwell's.

Bingo. I knew I had forgotten something here.

 

[Vlad]

Nothing ventured, nothing gained, they say

Our routes back up to the top are limited. And a cornerstone of most of those plans would be finding a way to sneak a more talented player back in here who's value was aritificially depressed below his talent level. For all of Ron's nuttiness, he has only cost his teams' one season in all his years. And I just doubt that's what happens again. I worry more about him just walking away one day. But Peja walks at the end of the year anyway, or laughably ends up gettign paid far more than we'd be paying Artest. Just do it.

(Come on -- you were an old Rodman lover. Tell me this nut doesn;t remind you of him just a bit. )

Would want all the leadership I could get aorund him though. Brad stays as friend. Corliss stays as lockerroom. Would still love to get a PJ Brown. Also...impossible I think, and odd sounding, but what about Derek Fisher? Backup PG with championship experience to give him authority and some leadership skills. In any case, Ron would fill the "bad boy" side of the bus to capacity and I would want no more of the breed.

Rodman, believe it or not, is a surprisingly intelligent man. Artest is as dumb as a brick. Rodman always knew his role on the team and what he could and could not get away with. Artest has not demonstrated that.

 

[KP]

. I don't miss him. Only some of his passes.

Obviously, the Kings don't miss him either...

Anyway why not trade for Artest, the team has already been decimated anyways, regardless of what Doc says they aren't going anywhere without Cwebb, at least it would be interesting to watch. The Kings interior defense sure has gotten better since moving the guy who can't guard an 80 year old... They are shutting down everything inside... obviously Webber was the main problem .

 

[6th]

Rodman, believe it or not, is a surprisingly intelligent man. Artest is as dumb as a brick. Rodman always knew his role on the team and what he could and could not get away with. Artest has not demonstrated that.

Uh,oh.......you just called Brick dumb? Watch out for his bat.

 

[BibityBobtyBoom]

well if we only have peja for another year anyway, why not trade

 

[Venom]

One problem with all this: the Pacers already have that Lithuanian cat who can shoot the lights out.

Of course, they essentially have to move Artest at this point, so there's a chance that Peja is the best they can get. Honestly, I don't know why they would want Peja though, unless Bird is as enamored w/ Peja as Petrie has been.

 

[Bricklayer]

One problem with all this: the Pacers already have that Lithuanian cat who can shoot the lights out.

Of course, they essentially have to move Artest at this point, so there's a chance that Peja is the best they can get. Honestly, I don't know why they would want Peja though, unless Bird is as enamored w/ Peja as Petrie has been.

Jasikevicius is basically a 6'4" PG thouhg. Might be able to play a LITTLE OG, but has some serious athletic shortcomings on defense. he can help a tam's shooting, but unless he can win that starting job, he's just a bench contributor, not a main # 2 scoring option to open space for Jermaine.

Think the real question is just if the Pacers are actually going to move Artest or do the Petrie stubborn thing and just hang on. If they decide they have to move him, Peja is near the top of the lists of paleyrs they could actually acquire. (the move I see coming that terrifies me is Ron to the Lakers for Odom. I am well and tired of getting our asses whipped by them, and have no interest in seeing a new era of domination begin.)

 

[KP]

One could only hope Bird would think he could toughen Peja up somehow... but I highly doubt it. If Artest is dealt, I think it's to somewhere else.

 

[SoupIsGood]

Jasikevicius is basically a 6'4" PG thouhg. Might be able to play a LITTLE OG, but has some serious athletic shortcomings on defense. he can help a tam's shooting, but unless he can win that starting job, he's just a bench contributor, not a main # 2 scoring option to open space for Jermaine.

Think the real question is just if the Pacers are actually going to move Artest or do the Petrie stubborn thing and just hang on. If they decide they have to move him, Peja is near the top of the lists of paleyrs they could actually acquire. (the move I see coming that terrifies me is Ron to the Lakers for Odom. I am well and tired of getting our asses whipped by them, and have no interest in seeing a new era of domination begin.)

You can pretty much pencil Saras in as our starting PG. The guy is the shiz offensively, and his defense and rebounding have been much better than expected.

As for the Odom Artest thing, I wouldn't be surprised if it happened. I'm not sure how I'd feel about it, but it's the swap that seems to make the most sense.


Hopefully.... and I'm really dreaming here.... some other team feels the same ways you do, and offers up a good SG for Artest, just to keep him off the Lakers..... I can dream.....

 

[Vlad]

Uh,oh.......you just called Brick dumb? Watch out for his bat.

lol, thanks.

 

[Kajun]

Jasikevicius is basically a 6'4" PG thouhg. Might be able to play a LITTLE OG, but has some serious athletic shortcomings on defense. he can help a tam's shooting, but unless he can win that starting job, he's just a bench contributor, not a main # 2 scoring option to open space for Jermaine.

Defense may not be his strongest point, but right now the Pacers are much better with him on court than when Tinsley is there ( +/- and PER). Sarunas at the moment is a very efficient player. He might even start at some point.

 

[Kings113]

One could only hope Bird would think he could toughen Peja up somehow... but I highly doubt it. If Artest is dealt, I think it's to somewhere else.

Like where?

 

[foretaz]

i dont think theres any way the odom trade ever happens...odom is not the answer to the pacers issues...odom requires the ball alot...just as ron did....

he isnt a good fit...and even if he was...i cannot see the pacers touching that contract under any circumstances....

now that being said, i dont think a trade with the lakers is totally out of the question....i just think if it does go down, it will surprise some because it will be for more role players than anything else...

it definitely would include a bigman...i dont think they would trade bynum, so it would most likely be mihm...

ultimately, though, i think the artest deal could very well be a multiple team deal...and i have a feeling harrison will be a part of the deal as well...

 

[Andriod_KiNg]

As someone who is pretty much against it at this point because of the "risk," I would like to clarify one thing... IF Geoff Petrie does it, it will mean IMHO that he is pretty danged sure Artest isn't going to repeat prior bad acts. And it will also mean that the fondness Petrie has had for Peja over the years has finally come to an end.

In other terms, Hell Freezes Over ?

 

[nbrans]

After reading through this thread, this kind of seems like one of those times when everyone is right. Sometimes I'm in the VF21 camp of "we're not that desperate," sometimes I'm in the Bricklayer camp of "time to roll the dice."

But I was thinking about this, and ultimately from a basketball standpoint the biggest risks to the Kings franchise are #1) Peja walking away in free agency for nothing and #2) Peja bieng overpaid and killing the salary cap. The Kings simply cannot afford to lose Peja for nothing. It will destory the talent pool of the team and immediately knock the Kings back 7 or 8 years. And overpaying Peja means that three Kings effectively have max deals, and it's arguable whether any one of them deserve it.

Even an injury or a mandatory lengthy stay in a mental institution would have less of an impact than Peja walking or getting a max deal. So even if Artest is combustible, you have to make the trade. Not only is it an on-paper talent upgrade and certainly a defensive upgrade, he's eminently affordable, and he has that nice three year contract where even if he's institutionalized it wouldn't kill the Kings for more than a year or two before his contract comes up.

I'm actually of the opinion that Ron is crazy, but like I argued about Bonzi, there are really two types of crazy in the NBA. There's the Rasheed Wallace/Bonzi Wells/Terrell Owens class of on-the-court crazy, and there's the Shawn Kemp/Vin Baker/Eddie Griffin class of off-the-court crazy. Usually the on-the-court crazies manage to keep it together in the right environment and they don't usually make life decisions (i.e. drug addiction, alcoholism, guns) that ruin their lives.

The latter class seems like the kind that should be avoided at all costs. However, the former class seems like fertile Kings territory. While I don't have proof, Artest seems to me like an extreme version of Bonzi Wells/Rasheed Wallace crazy, and doesn't seem to be a self-destructive invididual.

Regardless of my completely unprofessional diagnosis, to me it's just a no-brainer. You have to pull the trigger. The potential is too great to pass up, and the risk of losing Peja or overpaying Peja is too much to bear.

 

[KingKong]

Great post nbrans... and it pretty much sums up how I feel about this trade if it were to go down. Giving Peja the max will kill us for years to come (and he doesn't deserve the max in my book) as will letting him walk for nothing.

I don't think Ron Artest is crazy however, he is immature and an attention seeker, and his trade request probably has more to do with the fact that he will always played second fiddle to O'Neal and that doesn't sit right with him (although he did mention that he wants play behind Lebron, which is bafflling). At Sacramento he will get the attention he seeks, which is why I think this could be a rehabilitating situation for Artest.

 

[DocHolliday]

If we do the trade, we'll get the national spotlight again. We'll have more nationally televised games. More money for the team. Let's do it.

 

[Rowdyone]

After reading some of Ron's comments I, too, was baffled by his willingness to backup Lebron in Cleveland when he first said he wanted more offensive exposure to make more money. Anyway, it got me wonder how a three way involving the Knicks, whom Ron wishes to go to, might work. Spent some time on it but couldn't figure out anything that would be mutually beneficial to all parties. New York has too much money in their vets and nothing in their youngsters (kinda like us!). Anything they could give us, in my opinion, would have to include Channing Fry/David Lee etc. They will wind up giving up two starters to get one and one of them won't be Starbury as they seem to be dangling.

 

[Bricklayer]

After reading through this thread, this kind of seems like one of those times when everyone is right. Sometimes I'm in the VF21 camp of "we're not that desperate," sometimes I'm in the Bricklayer camp of "time to roll the dice."

I actually completely agree with this -- I am not sure there really is a "right" or "wrong" on this issue, and I am thoroughly prepared if we were to pull the trigger for the possibility that it could blow up in our faces.

That said, I'd do it in a flash.


As an aside, you raise an interesting point -- Bonzi had been a notorious jerk around the league for years. BUt so far as I know he never had any off court problems. No drugs, no wifebeating or any of that crap. The anger seemed reserved for the arena and environs. Correct me if I'm wrong, and I could bne becauseI am certainly no huge Artest follower, but he's been clean off the court too, right? Saves his brawls for the arena?

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Yahoo! Sports: Pacers will seek trade for Artest

Let the bidding begin.

 

[BMiller52]

I actually completely agree with this -- I am not sure there really is a "right" or "wrong" on this issue, and I am thoroughly prepared if we were to pull the trigger for the possibility that it could blow up in our faces.

That said, I'd do it in a flash.


As an aside, you raise an interesting point -- Bonzi had been a notorious jerk around the league for years. BUt so far as I know he never had any off court problems. No drugs, no wifebeating or any of that crap. The anger seemed reserved for the arena and environs. Correct me if I'm wrong, and I could bne becauseI am certainly no huge Artest follower, but he's been clean off the court too, right? Saves his brawls for the arena?

artest has been completely clean off the court.