arco thunder = just rumble?

Jerryaki

Jerryaki

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came across this in the sheridan chat today:

Richard (Victoria BC): The crowd was unbelievable in game 7 in Oakland but you could tell that the mavs didn't have it in them trying to play in that hostile enviro. It makes me think of those great Lakers v. Kings series' 4-5 years ago. the lakers were a championship team and they took care of business when they had to go to Arco and that deal with that crowd (cowbells anyone. Championship teams find a way to win, someone steps up.

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Chris Sheridan: Good point, Richard, but the folks in Oakland make the Arco crowd look like amateurs.

having never been to a game at arco, and only a few times during the sucky years at the coliseum, is this really true? were they that much louder in the Warriors-Mavs series than the fans have been in arco???
 
I'd love to hear from someone who was at both the Warriors game last night and #5 and #7 Kings/Lakers. I wasn't at the Warriors game last night, but I was at #5 and #7 in Arco, and I've never heard anything as loud in my life. People were on their feet, same as Oakland, people were lifting up the Kings, same as Oakland. It was LOUD.

It's really annoying that people are jumping on the GS bandwagon so fast. How about all those years when Kings fans made Oakland Coloseum home away from home? I mean, give the GS crowd credit, they were great, but it's ridiculous to throw Kings fans under the bus in doing so.

Of course, Chris Sheridan is the biggest idiot at ESPN (and the competition is fierce), so you have to take anything he says with a grain of salt.
 
No, that's kind of B.S. on both sides.

a) its "what have you done for me lately" ism for people with short memories -- Arco used to be like that, only on an almost nightly basis there in the early Adelman years rather than these new "best fans in the NBA" suddenly shuping up after a 12 year nap.

b) on the other hand, this series HAS looked/sounded a lot like old Arco, and FOR THIS SERIES, that Golden State crowd was better than anything Arco has seen in years.

powered by the same thing I think -- years and years of futility make it all the more exciting when you finally break through. At the moment, today, that crowd is better than Arco's. But the rush to crown them something unique and unprecedented is just ridiculous. They aren't even unique to Northern Calfornia in the last 5 years. Circa 2003 Arco was like that almost nightly.
 
Evenstar said:
yah it kind of helps when you have 3000 more fans in the building......


arco crowd owns. end of story
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The amount of fans isn't as important as the design of the building. The original ARCO, which only seated 10,333, got louder than the current ARCO or Oracle Arena. I recall Larry Bird commenting about how he was scared that the building was going to collapse during a game back in 1986. He missed two FT's that cost the Celtics the game and admitted that the noise got to him.

The current ARCO is still the loudest building in the league (when the fans are properly motivated). Every seat is relatively close to the court (by NBA standards). The only arena that was as loud or louder was the old Chicago Stadium. That place was crazy during the Jordan era.

I didn't attend any of the recent Warriors home games but I have been to many Kings playoff games, most notably Kings / Sonics Game 3 in '96 and Kings / Jazz Game 3 in '99. I find it hard to believe that any of these recent Warriors / Mavs games could top either of those 2 games.

The fans at the Kings/ Sonics game were at a fever pitch 45 minutes before the game even started. The white towels were waving and the sound was deafening long before tipoff. Most fans didn't even sit down until halftime. I think the entire fanbase was dead tired by the middle of the 3rd quarter. Once Mitch Richmond left the game, the air came out of the tires.

As for the Kings / Jazz game, it reminded me of the Sonics game when Todd Fuller went to the FT line with a chance to tie late in the game. I've never heard the current ARCO Arena louder. Period. That guy had ZERO chance to make those shots. Once the game was over, nearly every fan you passed by on the way out tried to hug you. It was crazy insane.

Kings / Lakers, Kings /Mavs, and Kings / T-Wolves all came close, but weren't quite the same as those two series.
 
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Bricklayer said:
No, that's kind of B.S. on both sides.

a) its "what have you done for me lately" ism for people with short memories -- Arco used to be like that, only on an almost nightly basis there in the early Adelman years rather than these new "best fans in the NBA" suddenly shuping up after a 12 year nap.

b) on the other hand, this series HAS looked/sounded a lot like old Arco, and FOR THIS SERIES, that Golden State crowd was better than anything Arco has seen in years.

powered by the same thing I think -- years and years of futility make it all the more exciting when you finally break through. At the moment, today, that crowd is better than Arco's. But the rush to crown them something unique and unprecedented is just ridiculous. They aren't even unique to Northern Calfornia in the last 5 years. Circa 2003 Arco was like that almost nightly.
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Yeah, this is true. I do think it's a sign that the Kings have lost their "best fans in the NBA" mantle, and probably with good reason after this season's boos, no-shows and lack of enthusiasm. Not saying it's all our fault given that there wans't much to cheer for, but it's a cyclical thing. In recent history the Chicago fans were widely considered "best," then the Jazz, then Kings, now Golden State. Hopefully we'll get it back when we're good again.
 
Give me a break...
has everyone completely forgot about Kings fans from a couple years ago?...
Give us a team worth cheering for and then tell me we aren't the loudest fans in the league.
 
During the "heyday" Arco would get crazy even for many of the regular season games. The crowd at Arco built it's rep for supporting some of the worst teams in NBA history. It wasn't built on the 1 or 2 select playoff games.

Also, I've been tot he Arena in Oakland 5 or 6 times. The acoustics and design of Arco lend it to deafening volume. I wasn't at the game last night but I was at game 5 vs. the Lakers(Bibby shot) and game 3 of the Seattle(Sac. had won game 2) series in 97. Both of those crowds were crazy at various parts of the game.
 
thelonegunman said:
As for the Kings / Jazz game, it reminded me of the Sonics game when Todd Fuller went to the FT line with a chance to tie late in the game. I've never heard the current ARCO Arena louder. Period. That guy had ZERO chance to make those shots. Once the game was over, nearly every fan you passed by on the way out tried to hug you. It was crazy insane.
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I very nearly posted this exact same thing. I was at all the playoff games since Adelman came (I was not there for the Sonics though). The noise during Fuller's free throws at the end of that Jazz game was unlike anything I've heard before or since. I know I could not have made a 4 inch putt with that noise - it actually made you flinch and tense up. It was madness!

Good memory!
 
This comparison has gone from annoying to down right offensive.

Every year sports pundents pick a fanbase to pump up during the playoffs and declare the gold standard of fandom as long as they fit this criteria:

They're loud during playoff games (Wow, real tough).
They're a long-suffering franchise just recently gaining success.
Are not from Los Angeles

Just in the WC during the past few decades, Portland has been bestowed this honor, followed by Us, then Dallas and now Golden State and probably several others I'm neglecting.

It's an easy article to write, makes you an instant favorite of one particular fanbase -- and it's not like you can ever be proven wrong and look stupid when Warrior fans go head to head with Kings fans.

Were Warriors fans loud, emotional and exciting during this series. Well yeah, their team just upset the NBA's best team after nearly 2 decades without a playoff win.

They'd have to be comatose not to be rocking for that.

But I have a hard time believing the fans that make us look like amatuers, we're frequently outnumbered for the last 7 years in their own gym affectionatly called Arco West.

This is just sports writers appealing to the darlings of the moment -- and keeping up with their "Whatever is happening now, is the biggest thing EVER" cliche.
 
It's all bandwagon BS. Hype up the showmanship, hype the crowd. Baron got some celelbs in the audience, now you have ratings ploys bonanza. The Oracle crowd has been great, but they are no Arco. This is almost revisionist history level though with how far the media is taking it. Kings fans know they use to not only rock Arco, but Rock the Warriors home as well. The media knows they had trouble seperating crowd noise during their broadcasts of Kings playoff games. Those playoff Kings games featured a background buzz of the crowd that is not existant in these Warrior games.

BUT there are no Kings this playoffs and the media needs somoene/something to replace the Arco crowd angle, so they went with the Warriors, who have been the biggest playoff story so far. They'll ride it(the hype), shamelessly, till the end.
 
Building design is a difference maker, but roughly 10% more fans in the seats does make a difference, too. However, when GS does that for several years, including during the regular season games, then they can claim to be as good as Arco was. Arco is not what it once was and I don't think it'll be as easy as it was to pump up the fans to get excited about a sucky team like it used to be.

I read a Pistons fans saying they should be recognized as great fans, because of their 125 or so consecutive sell-outs. :rolleyes:
 
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nbrans said:
I'd love to hear from someone who was at both the Warriors game last night and #5 and #7 Kings/Lakers. I wasn't at the Warriors game last night, but I was at #5 and #7 in Arco, and I've never heard anything as loud in my life. People were on their feet, same as Oakland, people were lifting up the Kings, same as Oakland. It was LOUD.

It's really annoying that people are jumping on the GS bandwagon so fast. How about all those years when Kings fans made Oakland Coloseum home away from home? I mean, give the GS crowd credit, they were great, but it's ridiculous to throw Kings fans under the bus in doing so.

Of course, Chris Sheridan is the biggest idiot at ESPN (and the competition is fierce), so you have to take anything he says with a grain of salt.
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Look, i went to the game last night with a friend who is a season ticket holder, and yes it was loud but we kept looking at each other and saying arco is much louder in the playoffs. warriors fans will get loud, then quiet down, get loud then quiet down. there is no comparison.. the kings fans are MUCH better and louder!
 
If they're talking about the Warriors fans now versus Arco this season, sure - of course they're louder. Last night's game came across as really, really loud on TV.

That being said, I've been to most of the Kings big playoff games since 2000 and on some nights Arco was so loud it just filled with white noise. You couldn't hear individual sounds - you could just feel waves of pressure. It was amazing.
 
Thing is after 2 years of playoff disappointment and this years total relapse. IF we get to winning again early next season the ARCO crowds of old could come back quick.
 
Arco still holds the Guinness World Record of loudest indoor areana at 130 decibels.

kennadog said:
I read a Pistons fans saying they should be recognized as great fans, because of their 125 or so consecutive sell-outs.
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I still hate Yahoo Answers.
 
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Jerryaki said:
having never been to a game at arco, and only a few times during the sucky years at the coliseum, is this really true? were they that much louder in the Warriors-Mavs series than the fans have been in arco???
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First, there were over 3,000 more people in Oracle than can be accommodated in Arco, so I'd guess they'd almost have to be louder by sheer numbers alone.

:p

I've been in Arco during playoff games. I don't think things could have gotten much louder. I agree with NewMonkey. The electricity and power coming from Arco at times is beyond description. There have been times when Kingsgurl and I, sitting in the upper levels, couldn't hear each other when we were screaming at the tops of our lungs because of everyone else doing the same thing.

If the Warriors fans were that loud, more power to them.
 
I was in Oakland this year, I was in Sacramento in 2002-2003. Sheridan is an idiot and I want to slap him in the face. :mad:

Arco Arena is hollowed NBA ground compared to Oracle Arena. Was Sheridan even there at Arco? Golden State has extraordinary fans, but Arco west is like a flickering flame in the wind compared to the blowtorchesque real thing here.

That said, I can see him touting that raucus crowd instead of the pathetic fans that turn out at Arco today. The Maloof's have priced out most of the fans in Sacramento that bleed purple.
 
Too early to tell, we will have to wait and watch that home loss in Oakland to really understand the fans. Its always easier to cheer for when your team is winning, that too against the #1 seed and is hitting threes like crazy. Lets see what they do when an opponent comes in and leads most of the game, that would be real test.
 
http://premium.si.cnn.com/pr/video/sports/2002/05/14/kings_ono_tnt.js.html


Here is a link for a Craig Sager interview on TNT after the Kings defeated Dallas in the second round of the 2002 playoffs. Listen to how loud it is and remember, this was after the final horn had sounded and everyone is STILL going crazy and in their seats. Nobody was leaving the arena yet.

Golden State was loud, but I don't know if you can compare the two yet ;)

DISCLAIMER: This video might make you miss the "good ol' days" more than ever.. :cool:
 
Thanks for the video..Watching this still gives me chills. If you think it was loud watching it, you should have been there. It was such an amazing experience. I miss those days, but hopefully we can get them back (soon).
 
slugking50 said:
Check this out. I was there.... Heres a fan cam of Bibbys steal Kevins layup with ARCO going nutz.


Its the third video. I ca't find it on youtube for some reason.


http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=44735902
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Haha that's really weird.. that's my myspace page.

I was also at that game, craziest game I've ever been to.

It's not my video but I found it and put it on my profile, the link to the video is http://youtube.com/watch?v=Wfk9zkFW7YI

:)
 
Nothing will ever compare to the noise level we bring at Arco...just watched that Kevin shot, three different angles, still the same earthquake from us fans. When Bibby hit the shot in game 5 you couldnt even hear Marv Albert, and he was screaming, too. I have very fond Arco memories. I was at the game against Portland when Jerry Reynolds colapsed and Harold Pressley hit a buzzer beater to win it. LOUD! I remember being at the game where we scored 31 straight points against the Sonics back in 95'...LOUD! hey, I was even at O.P.'s first game back after he talked all that shizz on his way out...LOUD!! I've been to alot of games, and I can say that we were deafeningly loud in the old Arco when we sucked, the 'new' Arco when we sucked, then got better, and we will continue to create earthquakes in our NEW arena when that finally gets settled.(fingers crossed)

edit: I've taken friends from other cities to games before too, and they cant believe how loud it is at Arco, it blew them away. Even my Grandparents said it was the loudest place on earth, and they are Blazer fans that used to go to games at the old Memorial Coloseum in Portland when it was loud as hell during the Rip City years. My friend from Boston that I took to a game said it was 1000 louder than anything at the Boston Garden. My friend from Denver said its as loud, if not louder than a Broncos crown at Mile High, and thats 70,000 people, not 17,317.
 
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Totally agree with everyone above.

Ive been to countless games since 85. ARCO has been loud for so many bad years. Year in year out ARCO has rocked. Of course the place exploded during the playoffs but it also rocked during the REGULAR SEASON. When Warrior fans get their own article in SI then come back to me and try to claim that warrior fans or any other fans in the NBA for that matter, are louder and more supportive of their team. I still have that article from SI. It was about the fans in the old arena. The team sucked but those were the days. The NBA was so new to us. What a great time.

One more thing, there may have been a few loud warrior fans at the last kings/warriors game at arco but they werent even close to what we kings fans use to do to Oracle. Those bus trips with hundreds and hundreds of kings fans in attendance were crazy. We didnt just show up, we owned Oracle.
 
The last couple of years at Arco have not been like the glory years as fan as crowd noise, etc. And that's okay...

I for one am impatiently waiting for the time when the product on the court is so much fun to watch you feel as though you have NO CHOICE but to stand and cheer, yelling so loudly you lose your voice and cannot speak for days afterwards.

Those times will come again. The fans aren't gone, they're just waiting for an opportunity to feel a part of the unique experience. I saw glimmers of it during the last Utah game at Arco.

Let the Warriors fans have their moment in the sun. Those of us who have spent any time at all in Arco know the truth...

:)
 
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