Antoine Wright?

[Jechtsphere]

He shoots the three 30% for his career but last year it was 33% so hopefully it can go up a few points with us but it may be wishful thinking.

 

[DoDiGaG0]

Maybe Udoka wanted more $$$ than the mere minimum that we're likely offering?

Using conventional logic, playing for the Celtics for the same amount of $$$ and getting PT on a winning team is much more attractive than coming back to SAC

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

My initial reaction to this signing was 'whatever', but after further thought ... he seems a tad too established to come here and sit on the bench. You have to fear a Desmond Mason like situation with him.

 

[Bricklayer]

My initial reaction to this signing was 'whatever', but after further thought ... he seems a tad too established to come here and sit on the bench. You have to fear a Desmond Mason like situation with him.

Over who?

In his best years he's enver been more than a 20min 6ppg roleplayer -- Cisco, Omri and Donte have all had better statistical seasons than he has. He's bounced through 5 teams now. He's no more established than anybody he'd be competing with.

 

[NME]

My initial reaction to this signing was 'whatever', but after further thought ... he seems a tad too established to come here and sit on the bench. You have to fear a Desmond Mason like situation with him.

I thought the best part of the signing was that he wasn't good enough for that to be a concern.

Really, we only had the Mason situation when Omri and Donte hadn't established anything yet, and it only lasted a few games at that. I believe the Kings are committed to Omri and Donte fighting it out at SF and a major role for Garcia.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Sylven Landesberg signed for Maccabi Haifa from Israel apperently btw. just saw someone mentioned him.

Yup, here it is:
http://www.eurobasket.com/Israel/basketball.asp?NewsID=197405
Maccabi Haifa signs Sylven Landesberg to a two-year contract - Jul 23, 2010 (by Eurobasket News)
Maccabi Haifa announced a new signing for the upcoming season. They new player will be Sylven Landesberg (198-G-90). It will be the first professional season for the American guard. He graduated at the University of Virginia few months ago averaging 17.3 points, 4.9 rebounds and 2.9 assists in senior year. Landesberg was awarded with NABC Division I All-Dictrict 2 1st Team. In 2009, he was awarded with ACC Rookie of the Year. That season Landsberg collected 16.6 ppg, 6 rpg and 2.8 apg for 28 games.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Over who?

In his best years he's enver been more than a 20min 6ppg roleplayer -- Cisco, Omri and Donte have all had better statistical seasons than he has. He's bounced through 5 teams now. He's no more established than anybody he'd be competing with.

And the only time we'd really see him other than waiving a towel after a good play was in the final 2 minutes of a blowout.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Udoka IMHO was a good defender but was a terrible 3-pt shooter for the Kings. At one point he missed every three he tried for 10-15 games and then his % was in the high 20's. Even as a mid range jumpshooter he did not seem all that good.

After that first exciting game he played for us in Utah last year, he was pretty much garbage offensively...he wasnt that bad of a defender though.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

^
I'm pretty sure the issue with him is that he cannot hit open shots...if he could it would be a nice pick up.

I remember that was the reason his stints in Dallas werent longer...he has a great knack for defense, but his shot is 'blah' at best. He's a career 41% shooter and 30% from 3...a couple articles about him joining the Kings have called him a 'mentor' to our young guys...not sure if I'd go that far.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Over who?

In his best years he's enver been more than a 20min 6ppg roleplayer -- Cisco, Omri and Donte have all had better statistical seasons than he has. He's bounced through 5 teams now. He's no more established than anybody he'd be competing with.

Over who? I dont know. Depends on how Westphal views Greene and Casspi. Im still not sold Paul loves the idea of starting one of these two guys. And if Wright has a good camp who knows.


Do I THINK it will happen, no I dont. But I would feel more confortable if we signed someone like Douby or Morrison. At least those guys fit the "Wont see minutes role" along with the shooter we were supposed to be looking for. Wright doesnt fit, and that could mean he'll see more minutes than we want him to see.

Mason probly wasnt the best example because he had at least proven in the past that he can play in this league and play well. Sean May might be a better example. Even though he only started a few games last season, he did start and it was strange. He started over Hawes, who you could say was just as established coming into last season as Casspi and Greene are this season. Either way, with Westphal as your coach its hard to predict what he is going to do with the lineup. I hope it doesnt happen, I dont think it will happen, but I wouldnt be shocked if it did.

 

[Kingster]

Have you seen what the guys out there are getting paid? I would have thought people would have been happy about not throwing out another Mikki Moore deal.

And Lin? It's clear the market for him was extremely hot and why on Earth would you ever get into a bidding war over an undrafted rooke guard?

It's going to be interesting to see what Lin gets paid...

 

[swisshh]

Have you seen what the guys out there are getting paid? I would have thought people would have been happy about not throwing out another Mikki Moore deal.

And Lin? It's clear the market for him was extremely hot and why on Earth would you ever get into a bidding war over an undrafted rooke guard?

That is not really the point or wish of what I was saying. The point is the team seems slow reacting to many available FAs and the SL guard scouting was crap. Why were other teams beating the Kings to getting local talent on their roster?

 

[Kevin's Good Feet]

That is not really the point or wish of what I was saying. The point is the team seems slow reacting to many available FAs and the SL guard scouting was crap. Why were other teams beating the Kings to getting local talent on their roster?

What local talent? You only threw out 1 name (Lin) and that guy was in too much demand for my tastes.

And we just signed one of the better producing guards from the SL so I don't understand your point.

 

[steelevt]

It's going to be interesting to see what Lin gets paid...

"Lin signed a two-year contract, with the second year a team option. Nearly half of Lin’s 2010 salary, which will be approximately $500,000, is guaranteed."

http://bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/other_nba/view.bg?articleid=1269504&srvc=sports&position=2

2 year deal with the second year team option and first year less than half guaranteed? i wouldnt have minded if the kings beat that to get him.

 

[Bricklayer]

"Lin signed a two-year contract, with the second year a team option. Nearly half of Lin’s 2010 salary, which will be approximately $500,000, is guaranteed."

http://bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/other_nba/view.bg?articleid=1269504&srvc=sports&position=2

2 year deal with the second year team option and first year less than half guaranteed? i wouldnt have minded if the kings beat that to get him.

yeah, that's really not excessive at all for what I saw out there, and wouldn't have broken any of our self-imposed contract rules.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

wright could be a good practice player for donte, omri. the kids get to adjust their game to tougher d in practices.

 

[Chupacabra]

Is Wright better than Udoka?

 

[cuad]

I would have to say they're the same player, but Udoka has more experience and is an infinitely better locker room presence. (Wright spent all of last year calling out his coach (through the media, which makes it worse) and other players in the Toronto locker room.)

But I don't expect production, in the 10 or so minutes Udoka used to get, to drop off. It'll probably even go up.

 

[hammystyle]

I would have to say they're the same player, but Udoka has more experience and is an infinitely better locker room presence. (Wright spent all of last year calling out his coach (through the media, which makes it worse) and other players in the Toronto locker room.)

But I don't expect production, in the 10 or so minutes Udoka used to get, to drop off.

Some people call it being a leader. He basically said the coaching staff wasn't forcing the young players to be accountable on defense. He was right, and after his comments Toronto's defense got markedly better.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/baske...rs-antoine-wright-keeps-giving-kids-an-earful

http://www.thestar.com/sports/baske.../733961--feschuk-triano-criticized-by-players

 

[Boogie-havoc]

He's always wright.

 

[Chupacabra]

has wright ever single handedly lost a game to the 7akers due to choking at the freethrow line?

 

[pshn80]

Last year, there was murmurings and discussion about the Kings front office being too small and not active enough in today's NBA world. It was listed for a reason why the Kings gave up the best player in the Houston-Knicks deal and Houston got the biggest return. I wonder if its also why our SL squad was void of a decent guard when there were unisgned guys on other squads that easily outshined the majority of SL guards. Part of the reason we're looking at Wright is because the team doesn't want to waste a lot of cap space on a part-time player, but considering the amount of guys out there in FA and ending up with a guy like Antoine Wright makes me question if theres more of a problem here. Is the front office just being outworked? Is the team taking guys like him and Sloan because desirable players involve more work? Why was the team not looking at Lin when he is a local guy they should have had scouted out?

I suspect our front office and scouting corp could answer your questions quite well.

 

[Entity]

Ok here is out rotation from what I think was our best year 2002-2003 (yes the year Webber went down against Dallas)

Bibby/B.Jackson
Christie/B.Jackson/J.Jackson
Peja/J.Jackson/Hedo
Webber/Pollard/Keon
Vlade/Keon/Pollard

Now when it came to Keon, Pollard They never both got over 20 min in same game same with Hedo and Jackson. Hedo was usually the odd man out that season. Pollard was getting less than 10 alot same with Hedo.

Thats a 10 man rotation with only the top 8 getting 20+ min jump to now

Evans/Beno
Garcia/Beno/Greene
Greene/Casspi
Landry/Thompson/Whiteside
Cousins/Dalembert/Witeside

This is not counting Wright or Jeter and it is a 10 man rotation also (albeit big heavy) The frontcourt is alot deeper and the backcourt including SF is just 1 short of the rotation back then but remember J. Jackson, B. Jackson, Hedo were only getting a combined 60 min. With Beno and Casspie both getting around 30 the min would work out about the same as back then. I think Antoine Wright will get around 8-10 min though

 

[CruzDude]

I see the following rotation and a nearly finalized roster:

Beno/Pooh
Tyreke/Garcia/Wright
Omri/Greene
Landry/JT/Jackson
Dalembert/DMC/Whiteside

AND the Kings are still $16M under the cap!!! Now it becomes a chess game for Coach to find the best match ups for various game situations. Wright and Jackson will be hard pressed to get much playing time unless one becomes a miracle worker. Pooh, on the other hand, could see good time right away and push Beno to better things.

 

[Entity]

I see the following rotation and a nearly finalized roster:

Beno/Pooh
Tyreke/Garcia/Wright
Omri/Greene
Landry/JT/Jackson
Dalembert/DMC/Whiteside

AND the Kings are still $16M under the cap!!! Now it becomes a chess game for Coach to find the best match ups for various game situations. Wright and Jackson will be hard pressed to get much playing time unless one becomes a miracle worker. Pooh, on the other hand, could see good time right away and push Beno to better things.

I don't know Cruz I don't believe Beno starts at PG I believe thats Tyreke all the way. I don't see us having our best 2 pg's in the game at the same time. Also don't see Casspi starting.

 

[bajaden]

Is Wright better than Udoka?

Just younger, and maybe cheaper. Depends on years of service.. Haven't taken the time to look it up...

 

[bajaden]

I don't know Cruz I don't believe Beno starts at PG I believe thats Tyreke all the way. I don't see us having our best 2 pg's in the game at the same time. Also don't see Casspi starting.

I think the SF situation is a long way from being resolved. I thought in general, Casspi outplayed Greene in summer league. But by a very small margin. I really tried to look at it objectively, as I really don't have a dog in the hunt. I thought both were trying to be aggressive and attack the basket, as they were asked to do by Ellie. I thought overall Casspi was more successful at that. Greene had a tendecy to overdribble the ball and run time off the clock. Casspi was more decisive, but at times ended up making bad decisions and turning the ball over. Defensively they both had their moments. But I will give a slight edge to Greene. There was one great moment for Casspi when he trapped the opposition pt guard on the sideline and forced a turnover without help. It was a great play and had Greene cheering him on from the bench. The rebounding edge goes to Casspi by a long shot. Greene, for whatever reason is just a poor rebounder. Even against undersized teams. I don't have the stats in front of me but I believe Casspi averaged around 5 boards a game while Greene averaged around 1.5 boards, which is pittiful for a 6'11" player.

Personally I wouldn't be surprised to see Casspi get the nod as the starting SF when the season begins. In no way am I down on Greene. He showed some new offensive moves, and his ballhandling has improved. Both players have a lot of potential. Its a nice problem to have.

 

[bajaden]

I see the following rotation and a nearly finalized roster:

Beno/Pooh
Tyreke/Garcia/Wright
Omri/Greene
Landry/JT/Jackson
Dalembert/DMC/Whiteside

AND the Kings are still $16M under the cap!!! Now it becomes a chess game for Coach to find the best match ups for various game situations. Wright and Jackson will be hard pressed to get much playing time unless one becomes a miracle worker. Pooh, on the other hand, could see good time right away and push Beno to better things.

Only correction I would make is, I would change Dalembert/DMC/Whiteside, to Dalembert/DMC/Thompson. I don't think there's any way that Whiteside can play center right now. And Thompson already has experience at the center position. I think the most we can expect out of Whiteside is to be a part time weakside defender from the PF or even SF position. He's simply not strong enough to play center.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

The rebounding edge goes to Casspi by a long shot. Greene, for whatever reason is just a poor rebounder. Even against undersized teams. I don't have the stats in front of me but I believe Casspi averaged around 5 boards a game while Greene averaged around 1.5 boards, which is pittiful for a 6'11" player.

The discrepancy isn't nearly as big as you remembered:
Casspi pulled down 4.5 per game and 6.5 per 36 minutes
Greene pulled down 3.1 per game but 5.2 per 36 minutes.

Greene should do better than he's doing, but he's not in the 1.5 rebounds per game range!

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Rebounding is a wierd statistic. Obviously you want your players to rebound, but as long as the TEAM is rebounding I dont care who grabs them. I think with any combo of Thompson/DMC/Dalembert and of course Evans, we should be able to rebound the ball well enough, if not really well.

I still think Donte is the better fit as a starter. I think his defense is better, I think he's a slightly better shooter, and I dont think he minds being a secondary player in the starting lineup, were Caspi seems to want to be 'the guy'.

If we allow Garcia to start ( I think he should ) that gives us a super bench with Beno, Casspi, and whatever bigs are left over.