Anderson in free agency might not be easy (split)

[twslam07]

I don't believe Vlade offered Rudy in this deal. I think as usual agents are muck raking to find the best deal for their client. In this case I suspect it is Anderson's agent or the Pelicans trying to build up Anderson's trade value.

The Kings should try to sign Anderson in the off season or trade a bench player or two for him now.

I want the Kings to add talent not subtract it.

... oh and it was the Pelicans who declined that deal.

I agree with going after him this off season though. I actually think he'll be rather easy to sign. Not only is this his home town. He'd be playing with DMC on the block and (hopefully) Rondo running the point. If that's not the perfect duo for a stretch four to play along side with I don't what is. Oh, there's also this new arena opening up in 10 months that I keep hearing about.

open to moving rudy but for anderson is a woeful trade. Anderson wants back in Sac. Leverage that in FA

IF we trade Rudy, it should be for a 3 and D, defensive stopper type swingman.

Ryan Anderson would impede WCS growth and he does nothing for our defensive weaknesses.

Ryan Anderson can be had in Free Agency.

Why would the team trade straight up when we can sign him? If anything they need to deal Gay in a package.

Many of you keep mentioning that we can 'just sign him in the offseason' like it's no big thing. If we want to keep Rondo, it's highly unlikely that we're able to sign Anderson. If we pick up all of our options/qualifying offers (Acy, Moreland, Dukan) & have all of the players accept their player options (Butler, Anderson, & Curry), we will only have $20.9 mil in cap space. Rondo's stock took a big hit due to the debacle in Dallas. It's pretty safe to say that he's increased his stock once again.

With the salary cap jumping up from $67 mil to $89 mil next year, bigger contracts will soon become average contracts. Most people are used to the old salary cap and how much a player will be worth, but they think everyone is overspending despite the cap rising. It's best to think about it on a proportional level. If X player makes 15% of the salary cap this year ($67 mil), it makes sense that his next contract will also be 15% of the new cap ($89 mil). Obviously, this applies to players who are on a fair contract and haven't declined or improved, but you get the general concept.

With that in mind, let's say that Rondo is willing to be paid the same proportion in his next contract as he was this year which is highly unlikely given that Rondo has increased his stock this year ($9.5 mil / $67 mil = 14%). 14% of the new cap ($89 mil) is $12.6 mil. That would leave us with only $8.3 mil left to spend. Considering Anderson made $8.5 mil this last offseason and considering the entire "cap is rising, contracts will naturally rise" argument, $8.3 mil is not going to be enough. If Rondo wants a contract that is equal to the contract prior to the Kings (~$12 mil/year), he would be getting paid $15.9 mil a year leaving us with $4.9 mil in cap space.

Speaking even more realistically, it's likely that if we wanted to sign another FA that we wouldn't pick up all of the options we have. For instance, Butler will most likely opt out (due to him speaking up about wanting to be traded), we can waive Acy & Dukan, and not put in a qualifying offer for Moreland. I would, however, expect Anderson and Curry to pick up their player options and remain with the Kings another season. That would leave us with $25.5 mil in cap space. However, we would only have 10 roster spots filled meaning we need to take on 3 undrafted rookie contracts that would count against the cap (since you need to have 13 players on the roster). The undrafted rookie salary in 2016/2017 is projected to be $543,471. This amount times three roster spots means that we need to take off $1,630,413 from our cap space leaving us with $23.9 mil. If Rondo wants that $15.9 mil contract (matches his $12 mil/year contract he had prior to coming to the Kings), that leaves only $8.5 mil in cap space. Again, Anderson makes $8.5 mil in a year where the cap is $20 mil less than what it is going to be in 2016/2017.

And on top of all of that, the cap is going to jump to ~$108 mil in the 2017/2018 season meaning teams will be more likely to hand out extra money during this offseason knowing the deal will become more fair over time.

You can start to see how acquiring Anderson in FA isn't as easy as some of you all thought...

 

[Showtime]

1. Nobody said keeping Rondo is a priority.
2. Nobody said the team should pick up all their options.
3. Nobody said the team can't make moves to clear more cap space.
4. The kings have some very valuable deals on the books that are good to keep, or attractive to move. There's options.

Also, Ryan wanting back home after everything that has happened to him in NOLA is a real possibility, and if the team is on the way up and improving, it makes the case moreso for the hometown discount.

 

[twslam07]

1. Nobody said keeping Rondo is a priority.
2. Nobody said the team should pick up all their options.
3. Nobody said the team can't make moves to clear more cap space.
4. The kings have some very valuable deals on the books that are good to keep, or attractive to move. There's options.

1. So you're saying you would choose Gay over Rondo? Curious... If you move Gay, you can sign both Anderson and Rondo, but it seems like you would rather have Gay & Anderson. It's essentially a trade in both cases. Either Gay for Anderson or Rondo for Anderson. Surprised you're in favor of the latter.
2. Correct. If you read my entire post, you would see that I played out the scenario of what would happen if we didn't pick up our options. The point is we're not going to have enough to sign both him and Rondo.
3 & 4. I agree that we can make moves to clear cap space, but as they say, it takes two to tango. People on this board are making it seem like an easy task to sign Anderson. If we're keeping Rondo (and in my opinion, that's a no brainer) the only way you have a shot at Anderson is if you clear more cap space. It's possible, but can be challenging.

 

[John Galt]

1. Nobody said keeping Rondo is a priority.

ok I'll bite. Keeping Rondo is a priority.

Now someone has said it.

 

[bajaden]

Many of you keep mentioning that we can 'just sign him in the offseason' like it's no big thing. If we want to keep Rondo, it's highly unlikely that we're able to sign Anderson. If we pick up all of our options/qualifying offers (Acy, Moreland, Dukan) & have all of the players accept their player options (Butler, Anderson, & Curry), we will only have $20.9 mil in cap space. Rondo's stock took a big hit due to the debacle in Dallas. It's pretty safe to say that he's increased his stock once again.

With the salary cap jumping up from $67 mil to $89 mil next year, bigger contracts will soon become average contracts. Most people are used to the old salary cap and how much a player will be worth, but they think everyone is overspending despite the cap rising. It's best to think about it on a proportional level. If X player makes 15% of the salary cap this year ($67 mil), it makes sense that his next contract will also be 15% of the new cap ($89 mil). Obviously, this applies to players who are on a fair contract and haven't declined or improved, but you get the general concept.

With that in mind, let's say that Rondo is willing to be paid the same proportion in his next contract as he was this year which is highly unlikely given that Rondo has increased his stock this year ($9.5 mil / $67 mil = 14%). 14% of the new cap ($89 mil) is $12.6 mil. That would leave us with only $8.3 mil left to spend. Considering Anderson made $8.5 mil this last offseason and considering the entire "cap is rising, contracts will naturally rise" argument, $8.3 mil is not going to be enough. If Rondo wants a contract that is equal to the contract prior to the Kings (~$12 mil/year), he would be getting paid $15.9 mil a year leaving us with $4.9 mil in cap space.

Speaking even more realistically, it's likely that if we wanted to sign another FA that we wouldn't pick up all of the options we have. For instance, Butler will most likely opt out (due to him speaking up about wanting to be traded), we can waive Acy & Dukan, and not put in a qualifying offer for Moreland. I would, however, expect Anderson and Curry to pick up their player options and remain with the Kings another season. That would leave us with $25.5 mil in cap space. However, we would only have 10 roster spots filled meaning we need to take on 3 undrafted rookie contracts that would count against the cap (since you need to have 13 players on the roster). The undrafted rookie salary in 2016/2017 is projected to be $543,471. This amount times three roster spots means that we need to take off $1,630,413 from our cap space leaving us with $23.9 mil. If Rondo wants that $15.9 mil contract (matches his $12 mil/year contract he had prior to coming to the Kings), that leaves only $8.5 mil in cap space. Again, Anderson makes $8.5 mil in a year where the cap is $20 mil less than what it is going to be in 2016/2017.

And on top of all of that, the cap is going to jump to ~$108 mil in the 2017/2018 season meaning teams will be more likely to hand out extra money during this offseason knowing the deal will become more fair over time.

You can start to see how acquiring Anderson in FA isn't as easy as some of you all thought...

Well I have them with a little more money to spend than you do. If you add up all their commited salaries for next season they come to $63,303,330.00. If you subtract that from 89 mil, you end up with $25,696,670.00 left over. We have three players included in that that don't make much, but they have player options, which means they get to decide whether they want to play for the Kings or not. I doubt that any of them would refuse their options. So if you could get Rondo on the cheap, then maybe, just maybe you might be able to sign Anderson. Unlikely, but possible.

The advantage of trading for him, is that you exchange equal salary for equal salary, and, you also acquire his bird rights which allows you to go over the cap to resign him. So you gain flexability. Anderson is making 8.5 mil this season and I have no idea how much he would want next year. I don't look at him as a max player

 

[bajaden]

1. So you're saying you would choose Gay over Rondo? Curious... If you move Gay, you can sign both Anderson and Rondo, but it seems like you would rather have Gay & Anderson. It's essentially a trade in both cases. Either Gay for Anderson or Rondo for Anderson. Surprised you're in favor of the latter.
2. Correct. If you read my entire post, you would see that I played out the scenario of what would happen if we didn't pick up our options. The point is we're not going to have enough to sign both him and Rondo.
3 & 4. I agree that we can make moves to clear cap space, but as they say, it takes two to tango. People on this board are making it seem like an easy task to sign Anderson. If we're keeping Rondo (and in my opinion, that's a no brainer) the only way you have a shot at Anderson is if you clear more cap space. It's possible, but can be challenging.

You keep mentioned the Kings picking up their options. Last time I checked, the team had no options to pick up. All the options were player options, not team options, so I count them as committed salaries since I doubt that any of the three players, Curry, Anderson, or Acy is going to turn down their option. Dukan appears to have guaranteed money, but it's such a small amount that it's not worth talking about.

 

[twslam07]

You keep mentioned the Kings picking up their options. Last time I checked, the team had no options to pick up. All the options were player options, not team options, so I count them as committed salaries since I doubt that any of the three players, Curry, Anderson, or Acy is going to turn down their option. Dukan appears to have guaranteed money, but it's such a small amount that it's not worth talking about.

Both Acy and Dukan have non-guaranteed contracts next year & Moreland has a qualifying offer. Then we have 3 guys with player options (Butler, Anderson, & Curry) which means we don't really know if they will be on the books or not.

 

[ParniValjak]

Well if we are serious then keeping Rondo is a priority. He is the type of vet that Cousins should have had on his team from his rookie year.

 

[206Fan]

Rondo should not make more than $15 a year, leaving us around $10. I think that is the price point Im at with him. However, it doesn't matter what I think.

Will Anderson consider taking a paycut to stay close to home?

I also wouldn't say Rondo is a guaranteed lock to be back next season. Would you rather have a 30yearold Rajon Rondo or a 24yearold Jordan Clarkson for the next 4 years?

 

[peacelate]

How about Channing Frye?

 

[KingsFanSince85]

Would you rather have a 30yearold Rajon Rondo or a 24yearold Jordan Clarkson for the next 4 years?

Rondo. This team's passing and assists totals have improved greatly since #9 joined the team. We don't need another shoot first PG. However, if Clarkson can slide over to the 2, I'd be more than happy with him playing next to Rajon.

 

[206Fan]

Rondo. This team's passing and assists totals have improved greatly since #9 joined the team. We don't need another shoot first PG. However, if Clarkson can slide over to the 2, I'd be more than happy with him playing next to Rajon.

The entire league is trending towards shoot first PGs though.
If you get a young PG in Clarkson, you can build around Clarkson-Cousins moving forward. Rondo doesn't have many good years left. It'll be hard to convince Cuz to stay with his starting PG declining.

Vlade can't really afford to cripple the future furthermore. He's done way too much damage already with the Sixers trade. It makes it almost impossible for us to rebuild next year, or the year after that..or even the year after that year.. (if it all blows up).

 

[Bricklayer]

ok I'll bite. Keeping Rondo is a priority.

Now someone has said it.

Yeah, there's no realistic Rondo is not a priority scenario. Of course he's going to be. He works well with Cuz, works with Karl, I think we have just become numb to the ludicrous assist totals as if we have had some long stream of guys leading the league in assists. On top of that he's our championship experience.

This is Vlade we are talking about, not PDA. He'll stick with what works and show loyalty in order to build team and brand.

 

[biltalent]

Many of you keep mentioning that we can 'just sign him in the offseason' like it's no big thing. If we want to keep Rondo, it's highly unlikely that we're able to sign Anderson. If we pick up all of our options/qualifying offers (Acy, Moreland, Dukan) & have all of the players accept their player options (Butler, Anderson, & Curry), we will only have $20.9 mil in cap space. Rondo's stock took a big hit due to the debacle in Dallas. It's pretty safe to say that he's increased his stock once again.

With the salary cap jumping up from $67 mil to $89 mil next year, bigger contracts will soon become average contracts. Most people are used to the old salary cap and how much a player will be worth, but they think everyone is overspending despite the cap rising. It's best to think about it on a proportional level. If X player makes 15% of the salary cap this year ($67 mil), it makes sense that his next contract will also be 15% of the new cap ($89 mil). Obviously, this applies to players who are on a fair contract and haven't declined or improved, but you get the general concept.

With that in mind, let's say that Rondo is willing to be paid the same proportion in his next contract as he was this year which is highly unlikely given that Rondo has increased his stock this year ($9.5 mil / $67 mil = 14%). 14% of the new cap ($89 mil) is $12.6 mil. That would leave us with only $8.3 mil left to spend. Considering Anderson made $8.5 mil this last offseason and considering the entire "cap is rising, contracts will naturally rise" argument, $8.3 mil is not going to be enough. If Rondo wants a contract that is equal to the contract prior to the Kings (~$12 mil/year), he would be getting paid $15.9 mil a year leaving us with $4.9 mil in cap space.

Speaking even more realistically, it's likely that if we wanted to sign another FA that we wouldn't pick up all of the options we have. For instance, Butler will most likely opt out (due to him speaking up about wanting to be traded), we can waive Acy & Dukan, and not put in a qualifying offer for Moreland. I would, however, expect Anderson and Curry to pick up their player options and remain with the Kings another season. That would leave us with $25.5 mil in cap space. However, we would only have 10 roster spots filled meaning we need to take on 3 undrafted rookie contracts that would count against the cap (since you need to have 13 players on the roster). The undrafted rookie salary in 2016/2017 is projected to be $543,471. This amount times three roster spots means that we need to take off $1,630,413 from our cap space leaving us with $23.9 mil. If Rondo wants that $15.9 mil contract (matches his $12 mil/year contract he had prior to coming to the Kings), that leaves only $8.5 mil in cap space. Again, Anderson makes $8.5 mil in a year where the cap is $20 mil less than what it is going to be in 2016/2017.

And on top of all of that, the cap is going to jump to ~$108 mil in the 2017/2018 season meaning teams will be more likely to hand out extra money during this offseason knowing the deal will become more fair over time.

You can start to see how acquiring Anderson in FA isn't as easy as some of you all thought...

Thanks for diving deep into the numbers. I agree that it will be tough to sign both Anderson and Rondo, but after thinking about it for a while I think it is not impossible. I don't know how much Vlade values both guys, but it can be done. If your numbers are correct and we have 24 mil in cap space this year we can try to sign both Rondo and Anderson to a 3-year contract worth 42 million, so on average it amounts to 14 mil per year. The key is how you structure the salary. It would have to be like this: 1. Year: 12 mil., 2. Year: 14 mil, 3. Year: 16 mil. Or if they want to have more, 1. Year: 12 mil., 2. Year: 15 mil, 3. Year: 18 mil., making it 15 mil per year.
I actually don't know the details for salary raises and if this is possible under the CBA, but if it is not possible, we could still make a trade to get some salary of the books.
In the end, it all comes down to whether Vlade values both enough to give them such big contracs and whether they want to come here and may make a bit less than they could get elsewhere. But from a talent perspective we would have a really good and deep 10-man rotation that could even survive injuries to its best players. Fill the rest out with vets on minimum contracts and we have a really strong team with the most players returning and becoming even more familiar with eath other.

Rondo/Collison/Curry
Mclemore/Belinelli/J. Anderson
Gay/Casspi/Temple(?)
Wcs/R. Anderson/Acy
Cousins/Koufos/Perkins(?)

 

[bajaden]

Both Acy and Dukan have non-guaranteed contracts next year & Moreland has a qualifying offer. Then we have 3 guys with player options (Butler, Anderson, & Curry) which means we don't really know if they will be on the books or not.

I've checked five different sites, and all but one show Acy as a player option, so he's the only one in question. The other four show Anderson, Curry, Butler, and Acy as player options, which means that in all likelyhood, all four, with the possible exception of Butler, will opt for another year. Dukan seems to be a bone of contention. a couple of sites have him under a guaranteed contract for another year, and a few have him as a qualifying offer, which is essentially a team option. He makes so little money that I doubt it matters.