And It Begins....Pelicans About to Talk to Tyreke Evans

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bajaden

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$11/year is right where I start squirming a bit. But around 2/3 of the respondents in the personnel moves forum poll said they'd match $11/year and up.
Well I guess if 2/3's of the people in the personal moves fourm think its ok, then its pretty much a done deal. I need a drink!
 

Glenn

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Good question! I believe he can actually sign it, but it won't become official until its submitted to the league on july 11th. I'm sure the Capt will correct me if I'm wrong.
If he signs something, he needs to quit listening to the other 16 teams. We will know by his behavior. If he continues to meet with other teams, we will know he has signed nothing. (I don't believe it is legal anyway but we'll see.)
 
Don't fool yourself into thinking Evans would have taken a discount to stay in Sacramento. That's all empty bluster from the Evans camp. If the Kings came out with a lower offer before he even met with NO, Evans still would have shopped around and his agent/camp would have spun some "he was hurt by the offer" narrative. You could have come out of the gate with an offer like NO's, but he's a RFA. There is no reason to bid against yourself.
 
Who was the last impact free agent from the Kings? I can't even think of one. Everyone here is spazzing out like it's doomsday. This is all procedural stuff. Tyreke just testing the waters to see how much he is worth, Kings FO doing the same.
 
Well I guess if 2/3's of the people in the personal moves fourm think its ok, then its pretty much a done deal. I need a drink!
Just reporting what seems to be the fan consensus! CD says his Twitter follower are split roughly evenly on whether to match, so it's interesting (to me at least) that the crowd here seems to be more strongly on the matching side.
 

bajaden

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Jonathan Santiago ‏@itsjonsantiago 2m
Source close to Evans believe that the #sackings don't think Reke is worth $40 mil+ that the Pelicans are reportedly offering.



For all you Vaquez fans, there's a reason NO quickly replaced him with Holliday and there's a reason they're concentrating on getting Reke. Does all this sound like a team with that much confidence in their own PG?
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This has nothing to do with Vasquez. It has to do with Tyreke. Vasquez was merely a suggestion as to get something back in return instead of nothing. If you perfer nothing, then fine!!!!!!!
 

rainmaker

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This has nothing to do with Vasquez. It has to do with Tyreke. Vasquez was merely a suggestion as to get something back in return instead of nothing. If you perfer nothing, then fine!!!!!!!
Vasquez would just clog out backcourt even more. He's not a good replacement. Cap space would make more sense.

What's with the !!!!!!!!!!!!!?
 

Glenn

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Vasquez would just clog out backcourt even more. He's not a good replacement. Cap space would make more sense.

What's with the !!!!!!!!!!!!!?
That seems to be a bunch of exclamation points with a question mark. That's my guess.

I think we should all get in a room and throw feces. People are acting like their man/womanhood is at stake.
 
I dont see how we don t match it. We Have all seen how good reke is when he is the primary ballhandler. Its much less then chris paul and if he matures in the comming years this contract will look small compared to many of the elites arround the league.
 
Only caveat in all of this is if our FO believe McCallum will be a player to build around. Playing Evans at PG means you need to find a facilitator SF. If Evans is out, the guard lineup becomes traditional. Do you pay 11 million plus in the hopes that it finally all clicks for Tyreke? Glad i'm not in our FO.
 

bajaden

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My problem is even if they don't falter, I don't think IT/Mac/Iggy/JT/Cousins is better than Reke/Mac/Salmons/JT/Cousins.
Normally I might agree with you, but Salmons was god awful last year, and I see no reason to believe he'll be better this coming season. Personally, I want him gone. I had the pleasure of grading Salmons more than any other player, and I got tired of seeing 36 minutes, 2 pts, 2 assists, and 1 rebound. I don't care how good he was defensively, those numbers stink!
 

Glenn

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Only caveat in all of this is if our FO believe McCallum will be a player to build around. Playing Evans at PG means you need to find a facilitator SF. If Evans is out, the guard lineup becomes traditional. Do you pay 11 million plus in the hopes that it finally all clicks for Tyreke? Glad i'm not in our FO.
I'm glad that PDA is in our FO and not you or I. No offense meant.
 
Only caveat in all of this is if our FO believe McCallum will be a player to build around. Playing Evans at PG means you need to find a facilitator SF. If Evans is out, the guard lineup becomes traditional. Do you pay 11 million plus in the hopes that it finally all clicks for Tyreke? Glad i'm not in our FO.
I think itz worth matching to find out. Their wil be many suitors if yo u want to trade reke later.
 
wow, i'm gone for a few hours, and things go berzerk. i can't believe the surprise i'm seeing from segments of kf.com. do some of you actually watch what occurs at the level of transaction in the contemporary nba? it's the home of the overpaid, and it flies in the face of history to assume that a new CBA is going to protect the owners from themselves, especially in a league with a soft salary cap that increases every season...

that said, it has never been about what tyreke evans may or may not "actually" be worth. it has always been about his market value, and a great many kings fans have vastly underestimated 'reke's value on the open market. people write things like "well let's just see what the market dictates," as if the kings might have been able to sneak by with the qualifying offer, or as if a slightly-increased offer of $8-9 million would get the job done. and that's just a bad joke. it's a fantasy. always has been. there's more than a dozen contracts already out there to prove it, and those were handed out to players with less natural talent and lower ceilings than tyreke...

if you're a small market team too foolish to extend the contracts of your talented young players before they become free agents, restricted or otherwise, then it's on you when you're forced to pay above market value to keep them, or when you bleed talent in allowing them to walk via free agency. of course, you can't blame the current regime for the maloofs' blunder in not entering into extension talks with tyreke last season, but i sure as **** will blame the current regime if they don't match 4/$44 million (provided 'reke signs the offer sheet)...

here's the facts, kings fans: if the kings don't overpay tyreke evans, they'll be forced to overpay somebody else. i'd rather it be a 23-year-old guard with a high ceiling and an elite rim attack than a player who is considerably less talented that i snagged for a few million less per season. the wins aren't coming if the checkbook isn't opened. it's that simple. you overpay for a player with tyreke's production, and you carefully manage the contracts of your lesser talents...
 
I dont see how we don t match it. We Have all seen how good reke is when he is the primary ballhandler. Its much less then chris paul and if he matures in the comming years this contract will look small compared to many of the elites arround the league.
I'm sorry comparing Evans to Chris Paul is ABSURD. The difference in Basketball IQ, Leadership, Tenacity, Overall Skill is HUGE. Chris Paul is a floor general, Tyreke not even close.
 
Doesn't really matter. Unless Reke has signed the QO, which there's no evidence he has, he's just been extended it, we can't trade him during that period or sign & trade after he does sign on the 10th.
Your missing the point. They have 10 days to work out a sign and trade with NO if he notifies them he will sign the offer sheet and they do not intend to match. This happened last year with Ryan Anderson.
 

VF21

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SME
If the shoe fits, wear it:

It's hot - at least in California - and we're in the middle of a very unusual occurrence. We actually have an RFA that other teams are interested in. We can debate/discuss without taking things personally. Remember, you're arguing with an Internet persona. There's no reason to resort to insults or snide comments on one hand, or to take offense on the other.

Let's all just take a nice long cleansing breath and relax. It's only July 1. If you don't pace yourselves, you'll be dead by Independence Day.

:)
 

rainmaker

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That seems to be a bunch of exclamation points with a question mark. That's my guess.

I think we should all get in a room and throw feces. People are acting like their man/womanhood is at stake.
It's simple. If the idea is a Reke/MLM/Cuz trio or a Vasquez/MLM/Cu trio, I'd rather have cap space/MLM/Cuz. Vasquez is a decent PG but not good enough to be a replacement ans bringing him in would jsut limit our flexibility to actually add a quality third wheel to the MLM/Cuz duo. That third wheel needs to be able to break down defenses and penetrate since that's the option we currently have with the ability to match on Reke.

If someone takes that personally, oh well. It's a forum driven by opinions.
 
wow, i'm gone for a few hours, and things go berzerk. i can't believe the surprise i'm seeing from segments of kf.com. do some of you actually watch what occurs at the level of transaction in the contemporary nba? it's the home of the overpaid, and it flies in the face of history to assume that a new CBA is going to protect the owners from themselves, especially in a league with a soft salary cap that increases every season...

that said, it has never been about what tyreke evans may or may not "actually" be worth. it has always been about his market value, and a great many kings fans have vastly underestimated 'reke's value on the open market. people write things like "well let's just see what the market dictates," as if the kings might have been able to sneak by with the qualifying offer, or as if a slightly-increased offer of $8-9 million would get the job done. and that's just a bad joke. it's a fantasy. always has been. there's more than a dozen contracts already out there to prove it, and those were handed out to players with less natural talent and lower ceilings than tyreke...

if you're a small market team too foolish to extend the contracts of your talented young players before they become free agents, restricted or otherwise, then it's on you when you're forced to pay above market value to keep them, or when you bleed talent in allowing them to walk via free agency. of course, you can't blame the current regime for the maloofs' blunder in not entering into extension talks with tyreke last season, but i sure as **** will blame the current regime if they don't match 4/$44 million (provided 'reke signs the offer sheet)...

here's the facts, kings fans: if the kings don't overpay tyreke evans, they'll be forced to overpay somebody else. i'd rather it be a 23-year-old guard with a high ceiling and an elite rim attack than a player who is considerably less talented that i snagged for a few million less per season. the wins aren't coming if the checkbook isn't opened. it's that simple. you overpay for a player with tyreke's production, and you carefully manage the contracts of your lesser talents...
The new reigme couldn't do much besides offer Tyreke a qualifying offer. What is fantasy however is expecting Tyreke to take a hometown discount because his original team showed him some love by being the first to offer a contract. That's the counter-argument to letting the market dictate Tyreke's value.
 

rainmaker

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Your missing the point. They have 10 days to work out a sign and trade with NO if he notifies them he will sign the offer sheet and they do not intend to match. This happened last year with Ryan Anderson.
It's you're, and no, you're missing the point. There's nothing stopping Reke from talking to multiple team over the next 10 days, signing the offer sheet on the 10th, and we lost the window to trade him. You act like the only option is Reke giving our FO a 10 day notice.
 

VF21

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SME
It's simple. If the idea is a Reke/MLM/Cuz trio or a Vasquez/MLM/Cu trio, I'd rather have cap space/MLM/Cuz. Vasquez is a decent PG but not good enough to be a replacement ans bringing him in would jsut limit our flexibility to actually add a quality third wheel to the MLM/Cuz duo. That third wheel needs to be able to break down defenses and penetrate since that's the option we currently have with the ability to match on Reke.

If someone takes that personally, oh well. It's a forum driven by opinions.
Please see my post above. There's blame on both sides and BOTH sides know full well what they're doing. You can choose to be snarky or you can choose to make your point without the snark. I'm just asking people to choose the latter because it's too damned hot ...
 

bajaden

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Just using your post to make a general comment. If we are all going to have apoplexy over one unsigned offer from a team that might want him at SF, this is going to be a long few weeks for some of you. Tyreke has not signed anything. He has a gaggle of teams to talk with and I suspect he will get burned out on that very quickly. He'll probably only chat with the ones that truly interest him. THIS interview I think was the first shot across the bow by Arn Tellem as he scheduled the time so that not even the Kings could sit down with Tyreke. It was scheduled as part of the negotiating process and perhaps no more. It's hard to know about the latter.

BTW, I think it would be a big mistake for the Kings to just simply sit back and let other teams set the signing price. Respect and all that, ya know? They have to stick their nose in quickly and whether they make a solid offer or not, they need to let Tyreke know the level of their interest and as best as I can understand, they value Tyreke quite a bit and might get AGGRESSIVE in the dealings. AGGRESSIVENESS is what Vivek promised. I translate the word AGGRESSIVE as meaning they will pay. That differs from Petrie's passive approach.

No matter what the other teams say, as opposed to what Tyreke's signs, Tyreke can make an agreement with the Kings at anytime at any amount as long as he signs the Kings offer July 10 and doesn't sign any offer sheet at a larger amount. Tellem is a paid mercenary and highly skilled but in the end, he needs to do what Tyreke wants and we have to hope that the abuse that has been piled on Reke by the odd use of him the last two years doesn't taint his feelings about the new ownership, coach, and GM. Tyreke has said positive things about the Kings and so has one of his brothers. He has a new home in the area. He works out in the practice facility. He may be ready to settle down here for a long time as long as we don't insult him. The likelihood of Vivek or PDA insulting Tyreke seems incredibly remote.
Golden rule in negotiations. You never, never, bid against yourself. The Kings had a chance to show their love when they could have offered an extension, and for obvious reasons, that didn't happen.
 
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