And It Begins....Pelicans About to Talk to Tyreke Evans

[The Hammer]

Jason Jones ‏@mr_jasonjones 8m
Tyreke Evans would have loved an offer from the Kings instead of waiting for team to match a deal. Pelicans showed interest, made offer


If true, doesn't make our new FO look that good. I do wonder why NO jumped to the front of the line and got in there before PDA/Vivek. Detroit as well coming up next.

All posturing!!

Everybody stay calm. With twitter, this process becomes like reality TV, and that's not a good thing. "Ohh, Jenny snubbed Lisa. Oooh but Lisa's just flirted with the guy Jenny liked first..."

Let's stay objective people. I doubt very much Tyreke got his feelings hurt.

 

[Glenn]

I'm willing to let this play out for a bit. It's not in management's interest to say they'd match the price, as that will further drive up the price.

I give them until midnight tonight.

 

[rainmaker]

He cant sign it for 10 days.

At the minimum they can have a verbal agreement. But pretty sure he can sign it just doesn't go through until the 10th. Why else would NO bring an offer sheet?

 

[Section 101]

There's no talent available that can do what Reke can do, not only for the team but for a backcourt partner in MLM.

Vasquez doesn't come close, despite some thinking he's some worthy replacement.

McLemore is the replacement. Vasquez is the upgrade at PG. And if you get Anderson in the deal you know have a starting PF or sixth man. Even if it's only Lopez instead of Anderson you know have another piece to move.

And as Baja pointed out depending on the parts and cap space you can go after Iggy.

 

[bajaden]

Someone with more CBA knowledge can correct me if I'm wrong (and I am quite often) but I'm fairly certain Tyreke can only sign ONE offer sheet. It isn't as if another team can make him a slightly better offer and he can then sign that new offer sheet. If he signs with New Orleans he's either going to be a Pelican or a King. Once he signs, he doesn't have any leverage and the Kings have a decision to make.

I don't think were in disagreement here. I beleive I said, that I doubt he would just up an sign it. He can go to other teams, Kings included, and say look, this is what I've been offered, and can you offer more. As long as he doesn't sign the offer sheet, he's free to negotiate with anyone.

 

[rainmaker]

95% of players will sign with a team that pays them the most. Am I missing the human element in that?

Yes. You're missing the part that these aren't chess pieces. You're missing the part that Reke might not want to come back if signing elsewhere, and it's a risk to bring someone back who already pictured himself elsewhere, which has been brought up numerous times and apparently you're ignoring.

 

[Section 101]

At the minimum they can have a verbal agreement. But pretty sure he can sign it just doesn't go through until the 10th. Why else would NO bring an offer sheet?

No he cannot sign it. It's verbal only. After it's signed there is the 3 day period to match.

 

[sdballer]

At the minimum they can have a verbal agreement. But pretty sure he can sign it just doesn't go through until the 10th. Why else would NO bring an offer sheet?

No, Section is correct. Verbal agreements only until the 10th. They rarely break them.

 

[funkykingston]

There are a few things here that don't make sense to me.

If the Kings FO "wasn't surprised" by the offer to Evans then why not just offer him 4 years $40 million right off the bat? You're getting him at a slight discount but he's happy you showed him some love.

On the other hand, if they expected him to get these kinds of offers but weren't prepared to match then why give him a qualifying offer at all? It simply ties the Kings hands in terms of pursuing other free agents since there is a cap hold on Tyreke until he officially signs an offer sheet and the Kings formally deny to match which can't happen until at least July 10th.

If PDA & co decide not to match for Tyreke I'm going to be casting a very critical eye on what they DO accomplish this offseason. Going after Iguodala or other free agents doesn't mean much if they don't end up signed to the Kings and the one big FA that you COULD bring back was left to walk out the door. We'll see.

 

[Glenn]

Jason Jones
I'm told the Evans offer sheet is worth between $44-$50 million based on incentives. Numbers not solid, but range makes sense.

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz2XpbDvS2J

The 4yr, $44 million offer from the Pelicans to Tyreke Evans will not surprise the Kings front office.

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz2XpbJSCCk


At USAToday (via Sam Amick): Tyreke Evans may be heading to New Orleans after Pelicans offer four-year, $44 mil deal -

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz2Xpbm89er

Even the experts are apoplectic.

 

[jpsls]

All posturing!!

Everybody stay calm. With twitter, this process becomes like reality TV, and that's not a good thing. "Ohh, Jenny snubbed Lisa. Oooh but Lisa's just flirted with the guy Jenny liked first..."

Let's stay objective people. I doubt very much Tyreke got his feelings hurt.

People are letting their fondness of Tyreke drive this entire process. All objectivity has been thrown out the window.

 

[Kingster]

This must be a good day for you. Now you can watch IT lead this team to a championship.

C'est la vie. You've got to roll with the change and the chaos of this team's personell over the next year. There could easily be a 50% turnover. Heck, looking out two years from now there could be 100% turnover (and yes, that would mean IT would be bye-bye). If there was a St. Valentine's Day Massacre in the FO there is no reason why there couldn't be that in this team's roster.

 

[rainmaker]

McLemore is the replacement. Vasquez is the upgrade at PG.

Lol. Thanks for the laugh.

 

[Glenn]

We can't sign and trade Reke anyway if he signs the offer sheet tonight.

He can't sign anything until July 10.

 

[LPKingsFan]

There are a few things here that don't make sense to me.

If the Kings FO "wasn't surprised" by the offer to Evans then why not just offer him 4 years $40 million right off the bat? You're getting him at a slight discount but he's happy you showed him some love.

On the other hand, if they expected him to get these kinds of offers but weren't prepared to match then why give him a qualifying offer at all? It simply ties the Kings hands in terms of pursuing other free agents since there is a cap hold on Tyreke until he officially signs an offer sheet and the Kings formally deny to match which can't happen until at least July 10th.

If PDA & co decide not to match for Tyreke I'm going to be casting a very critical eye on what they DO accomplish this offseason. Going after Iguodala or other free agents doesn't mean much if they don't end up signed to the Kings and the one big FA that you COULD bring back was left to walk out the door. We'll see.

If they decide they're not going to match, couldn't they just retract the QO and renounce his Bird rights and immediately be free of the cap hold?

 

[bajaden]

Capt is right. If Tyreke is willing to sign an offer sheet then there's no basis for a sign-and-trade. The only real reasons to do a S&T are to either get that fifth year on a max deal or to entice a team to send a guy to a capped out team as opposed to losing him to a team with caproom with no compensation. Neither scenario exists with Tyreke and the Kings & Pelicans.

Now if (just as an example) Tyreke SAYS he's going to take the New Orleans deal unless the Kings sign-and-trade him to Detroit THEN you see the leverage that's possible in free agency with the S&T.

We'll see.

Once again, were not in disagreement! Once the offer sheet is signed, then its either match or walk away. My ideas are all based on his not signing the offer sheet.

 

[sdballer]

C'est la vie. You've got to roll with the change and the chaos of this team's personell over the next year. There could easily be a 50% turnover. Heck, looking out two years from now there could be 100% turnover (and yes, that would mean IT would be bye-bye). If there was a St. Valentine's Day Massacre in the FO there is no reason why there couldn't be that in this team's roster.

The problem is the massacre in the FO was to eliminate the people that put this roster together in the first place. Replacing them with guys that are going to make the same mistakes as the last regime while letting our only young talent walk isn't a good thing.

 

[Glenn]

At the minimum they can have a verbal agreement. But pretty sure he can sign it just doesn't go through until the 10th. Why else would NO bring an offer sheet?

This assumes they came with an offer sheet. I assumed that meant that they came with a number firmly in mind. If he signs something, it is tampering or something against the NBA rules and I presume punishment would be handed down.

Furthermore if he signs something, he can't interview with any other teams.

 

[Arkitect]

If they decide they're not going to match, couldn't they just retract the QO and renounce his Bird rights and immediately be free of the cap hold?

That would just be suicide. Reke walks for nothing at that point. If you leave the QO on the table you at least have the chance for the sign and trade.

 

[funkykingston]

McLemore is the replacement. Vasquez is the upgrade at PG. And if you get Anderson in the deal you know have a starting PF or sixth man. Even if it's only Lopez instead of Anderson you know have another piece to move.

And as Baja pointed out depending on the parts and cap space you can go after Iggy.

I doubt New Orleans even engages in talks about a sign-and-trade unless they feel they can dump some unwanted contracts on the Kings. If they can sign him outright why give away talent?

 

[Kingster]

There are a few things here that don't make sense to me.

If the Kings FO "wasn't surprised" by the offer to Evans then why not just offer him 4 years $40 million right off the bat? You're getting him at a slight discount but he's happy you showed him some love.
On the other hand, if they expected him to get these kinds of offers but weren't prepared to match then why give him a qualifying offer at all? It simply ties the Kings hands in terms of pursuing other free agents since there is a cap hold on Tyreke until he officially signs an offer sheet and the Kings formally deny to match which can't happen until at least July 10th.

If PDA & co decide not to match for Tyreke I'm going to be casting a very critical eye on what they DO accomplish this offseason. Going after Iguodala or other free agents doesn't mean much if they don't end up signed to the Kings and the one big FA that you COULD bring back was left to walk out the door. We'll see.

Why? Because a cardinal rule in negotiation is: Never negotiate against yourself. I think it's very smart for them not to effectively negotiate against themselves. Let the market be established. You may not be surprised by the $10 mill, but that doesn't mean you have precognition.

 

[rainmaker]

He can't sign anything until July 10.

Doesn't really matter. Unless Reke has signed the QO, which there's no evidence he has, he's just been extended it, we can't trade him during that period or sign & trade after he does sign on the 10th.

 

[bajaden]

Can he actually sign it yet? or can he just come to an agreement but have to wait until july 11th like the unrestricted free agents?

Good question! I believe he can actually sign it, but it won't become official until its submitted to the league on july 11th. I'm sure the Capt will correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Entity]

#HereWeMatch lol

 

[funkykingston]

C'est la vie. You've got to roll with the change and the chaos of this team's personell over the next year. There could easily be a 50% turnover. Heck, looking out two years from now there could be 100% turnover (and yes, that would mean IT would be bye-bye). If there was a St. Valentine's Day Massacre in the FO there is no reason why there couldn't be that in this team's roster.

Sheesh. Nothing like getting new owners, new FO and new coaches only to start yet another rebuilding program. I've heard the first decade of rebuilding is really the toughest part and then it gets easier. . .

 

[Kingster]

The problem is the massacre in the FO was to eliminate the people that put this roster together in the first place. Replacing them with guys that are going to make the same mistakes as the last regime while letting our only young talent walk isn't a good thing.

But there is a certain logic that if they got rid of all the FO people that put together this "creation", why not get rid of their "creation" as well? Another thing to keep in mind is that even if they don't match the Tyreke offer, you still can't make a judgement on it. You have to wait and see what they do with money they didn't spend on Tyreke to see how it all comes out. If you like the Matterhorn at Disney you should like this ride...

 

[bajaden]

Amazing how many Kings "writers", and I use that term loosely given most are idiots are saying don't match, see ya Reke.

I suspect that in Amick's case, he's going on inside information, and not personal preference. I don't think they'll match 4 years at 48 mil either. But that doesn't mean I don't want them to. I'm just trying to deal with the reality of the situation. We shouldn't be in this situation, but we are.

 

[Glenn]

Doesn't really matter. Unless Reke has signed the QO, which there's no evidence he has, he's just been extended it, we can't trade him during that period or sign & trade after he does sign on the 10th.

Now, I'm lost. S&T with whom? NO? I think it is very remote that S&T is a major factor while going through this present process. I understand it is all possible but we don't know what Tyreke would be willing to sign for with us. In the end, if he signs with us, all negotiation is done in free agency. He would need to sign with us and not sign a better offer sheet. It's Day 1 of free agency and I doubt the thinking and planning is all that complicated yet. For all we know, he will meet with the Kings and agree to sign a $10-11 mil contract for 5 years and quit interviewing. There is so much we don't know I can't focus on details and actually don't want to. IT'S TOO EARLY!

 

[VF21]

From Larry Coen's NBA Salary Cap FAQ:

When a restricted free agent wants to sign with another team, the player and team sign an offer sheet, the principal terms of which the original team is given three days to match. The offer sheet must be for at least two seasons (not including option years). If the player's prior team also submitted a maximum qualifying offer, then the offer sheet must be for at least three seasons (not including option years). If the player's original team exercises its right of first refusal within three days, the player is then under contract to his original team, at the principal terms of the offer sheet (but not the non-principal terms). If the player's original team does not exercise its right of first refusal within three days (or provides written notice that it is declining its right of first refusal), the offer sheet becomes an official contract with the new team.

And...

102. What is the July Moratorium?

It is a period during the month of July in which teams may not sign most free agents or make trades. Free agents become free on July 1, but the salary cap is not set until the league's audit is completed later in the month. Teams and players must wait for the salary cap to be set before trades and most free agent signings can commence. Teams may negotiate with free agents beginning July 1, but they have to wait until the moratorium ends before signing a contract.

 

[rainmaker]

I suspect that in Amick's case, he's going on inside information, and not personal preference. I don't think they'll match 4 years at 48 mil either. But that doesn't mean I don't want them to. I'm just trying to deal with the reality of the situation. We shouldn't be in this situation, but we are.

Not referring to Amick. I have a lot of respect for him. He's a few notches above our local writers though for the Bee and certain blogs.