Dime Dropper
All-Star
Have to say, really didn't see that pick coming. Will be interesting to see the next few selections.
All Time Kings Draft...on a Tropical Island?
- Thread starter Bricklayer
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I think the Peja pick acknowledges that there maybe 4 guys in the entire history of the Sac Kings who put up elite numbers in any given season that you could build a team around. Most of our other "elite" players were really nothing more than nice complimentary guys.
Seriously- other than Webber, Richmond, Peja, and Bibby who in our history had a dynamite stat season to build a team around- Martin? maybe; Divac? love him to death but no, not elite; and everyone else like L-Train, Tisdale, etc... were good, not great.
The team has had 4 statistical all stars (Richmond, Peja, Bibby, Webber).
Seriously- other than Webber, Richmond, Peja, and Bibby who in our history had a dynamite stat season to build a team around- Martin? maybe; Divac? love him to death but no, not elite; and everyone else like L-Train, Tisdale, etc... were good, not great.
The team has had 4 statistical all stars (Richmond, Peja, Bibby, Webber).
uolj
Starter
Shhh!!! I'm hoping Rock falls to me in the second round!
Shoot, the second round is going to be Cedric Simmons territory for those of us at the back end of it!
Yeah, without looking into all the stats, I wouldn't have thought Peja was #2 material...but this season really was statistically head and shoulders above anything else ever recorded in a Sacramento uniform, and it may be all the more impressive considering that he shared the court with some guys who weren't exactly chumps.
I'm already worried about my second round pick, though. The drop-off is going to be ugly, I think.
R2D2
Bench
ROFL! Good one!
And as I have an earlier pick I will surely snatch him on the 2nd round...
uolj
Starter
Not to start in on the arguments already, but it really depends on the statistics.
I think Webber's 2000-01 was a better statistical season overall. That, and Martin's shooting was somewhat comparable at his peak. So head and shoulders might be a bit of a stretch.
Don't be ridiculous. The bottom of the first round will be Cedric Simmons territory.
Of course it does. And I did say I would have taken Webber #1 overall, I just would have had a bit of cognitive dissonance in passing on Peja's '03-'04 season.
OK, maybe it's a stretch, especially when you look at individual stat categories one at a time. But right now, pretty much the best overall "single-number" stat (which also attempts to take into account defensive considerations) is Win Shares - and Peja put up more than 120% of the next-closest season from a Sacramento King. That's not shabby.
Still, since we can trade, I'll offer Peja for Webber straight up.
MassachusettsKingsFan
All-Star
Tyreke Evans 2009-2010
72 Games
37.2 MPG
20.1 PPG
5.3 RPG
5.8 APG
.458 FG%
.255 3P%
.748 FT%
1.5 SPG
I have to go with the soon-to-be named Rookie of the Year here. We've all seen him play. We all know about the 20-5-5 .. there isnt a whole lot more to say about this kid. Hes incredible, and while Im sure this wont be his best season when its all said and done, its good enough for the third pick in this draft for sure. Hes one of the few players in Kings history you would think a team could be built around. Go to scorer, ability to close out games, and a clutch defender. My top three in this draft would have gone Webber, Evans, Peja in that order. I got the second guy on my list, and in my opinion the easiest guy you could build a team around with the kinds of players available in this teams history. The balance and versatility in Evans game is what makes him so valuable. He can play multiple positions defend the other teams best player. Im happy.
Jespher
Starter
Unfortunately for you the rock stops hereShhh!!! I'm hoping Rock falls to me in the second round!
With my first pick I select the most decorated player in the history of the Sacramento Kings. A six time all-star (1x All-Star MVP), a rookie of the year, an NBA champion (albeit with the Fakers), and a pillar of stability for an otherwise irrelevant franchise during the 1990s. Mitch Richmond truly was "The Rock".
Though he had more playoff success the previous season, the 1996-1997 season was Richmond's most dominant. Fresh off winning an Olympic gold medal for team USA with Dream Team III, Richmond willed his team to within 2 games of the playoffs despite devastating injuries to Brian Grant, and the firing of Gary St. Jean. Richmond played 81 games, made his 5th consecutive all-star team, finished 4th in the league in scoring, and garnered all NBA second team honors (2nd to MJ). When he was traded a year later he still helped out the franchise as the key piece in the trade for a dominant Chris Webber. His jersey hangs in the Arco rafters to this day as a reminder of his consistent dominance.
Mitch Richmond 6'5" G
1996-1997 25.9 ppg 4.2 apg 3.9 rpg 1.46 spg .3 bpg 2.92 TO/g 38.6 mpg
(42.8% 3-pt shooter)(86.1% FT%)(45.4% FG%)
Mitch is a leader, a potent scorer, and the perfect pillar to build my franchise around. Michael Jordan said Mitch went with him pound for pound and was one of the most under appreciated players of his generation. That's good enough for me.
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More: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitch_Richmond
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Emma
Starter
Unfortunately for you the rock stops here
Irrationally, my favorite player of all time
R2D2
Bench
With the 5th pick in the 2010 All Time Sacramento Kings Draft the “Droids for Clunkers” select...
PF, 6'10, 225
Season: 1987-88. Stats: 82gms 37.5min 20.8pts (.507 .000 .755) 10.2reb 3.2ast 0.8stl 0.7blk 2.8TO/G
When they printed the first Greenback they labeled it with the official US motto "in God we trust". Anyone living in the states long enough presumably wondered if that is not a misprint. Surely the other option was "in Stats we trust". So I am very happy to get this guy on the 5th. One of the top players overall, but his stats make this a no brainer. Extremely consistent. Played full 82 games in 9 of his 14 seasons career. Was a major piece in the Rockets team, who won the title in 1993-04, even though it was not his personal best season (and it helps having Hakeem, too).
In an era where everyone celebrates a 20-10 game this guy considered it to be just an average day at the office. Therefore I am clearing the first cubicle on my rooster for Mr. Thorpe.
More: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otis_Thorpe
PF, 6'10, 225
Season: 1987-88. Stats: 82gms 37.5min 20.8pts (.507 .000 .755) 10.2reb 3.2ast 0.8stl 0.7blk 2.8TO/G
When they printed the first Greenback they labeled it with the official US motto "in God we trust". Anyone living in the states long enough presumably wondered if that is not a misprint. Surely the other option was "in Stats we trust". So I am very happy to get this guy on the 5th. One of the top players overall, but his stats make this a no brainer. Extremely consistent. Played full 82 games in 9 of his 14 seasons career. Was a major piece in the Rockets team, who won the title in 1993-04, even though it was not his personal best season (and it helps having Hakeem, too).
In an era where everyone celebrates a 20-10 game this guy considered it to be just an average day at the office. Therefore I am clearing the first cubicle on my rooster for Mr. Thorpe.
More: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otis_Thorpe
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Damn. I was going to do the same thing.
Droids make good scrap metal you know.
Droids make good scrap metal you know.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
I am dreading the next two picks before mine. I just know my next two choices will be taken. And there is a drop-off after that.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Well, in the end there is nothing for this -- every other realistic option would have had a description beginning "struggles on defense", and so instead I a going to go with Mr. "struggles with sanity" himself:
Ron Artest
'06-07 70gms 37.7min 18.8pts (.440 .358 .740) 6.5reb 3.4ast 2.1stl 0.6blk 2.1TO
Probably one of the 4 most talented players ever to play for the Kings, and out of necessity I am taking the one season where he stayed healthy and gave us a boost on the boards -- having a #1 pick who only played in 50+ games would have been tough. Yes, his mother obviously dropped him on his head one too many times as a child (and he probably bounced right up and whooped her *** over it too), but his impact as a player, good and bad, was hard to ignore. He arrived and immediately turned around a lost season for us. And when he left, the franchise collapsed, with all the remaining principal players still in town, into a league worst 17 game mess. His completely insane belief that he was as good as Kobe and that we were always going to win functioned as a kind of cracked leadership and, well...this is Kings history here. There are no perfect solutions. So why not. On any particular night he is going to be the best player on the floor, and a true rarity in Kings history -- a dominant defender.
Ron Artest
'06-07 70gms 37.7min 18.8pts (.440 .358 .740) 6.5reb 3.4ast 2.1stl 0.6blk 2.1TO
Probably one of the 4 most talented players ever to play for the Kings, and out of necessity I am taking the one season where he stayed healthy and gave us a boost on the boards -- having a #1 pick who only played in 50+ games would have been tough. Yes, his mother obviously dropped him on his head one too many times as a child (and he probably bounced right up and whooped her *** over it too), but his impact as a player, good and bad, was hard to ignore. He arrived and immediately turned around a lost season for us. And when he left, the franchise collapsed, with all the remaining principal players still in town, into a league worst 17 game mess. His completely insane belief that he was as good as Kobe and that we were always going to win functioned as a kind of cracked leadership and, well...this is Kings history here. There are no perfect solutions. So why not. On any particular night he is going to be the best player on the floor, and a true rarity in Kings history -- a dominant defender.
SLAB
Hall of Famer
My pick, Mr. Clutch himself, Mike Bibby!
Im going to go with the 03/04 Mike Bibby. Reason being, this was the Mike Bibby that combined a really good season, with a really good post season. Combining both good season/post-season with his widely known ability to provide the clutch performance, aka the last shot of the night, Bibby is a good head of a team...
Reg.Season --- 82games/ 3.4Reb/ 5.4Asst/ 1.4Stl/ 18.4Pts
Post-Season --- 12games/ 4.2Reb/ 7.0Asst/ 1.9Stl/ 20.0Pts
The step up from regular season numbers to the better post-season secured this pick. We all know what Bibby was capable of, but this (in the numbers) was the best representation of what the guy can do for a team.
...Now for the body.
Im going to go with the 03/04 Mike Bibby. Reason being, this was the Mike Bibby that combined a really good season, with a really good post season. Combining both good season/post-season with his widely known ability to provide the clutch performance, aka the last shot of the night, Bibby is a good head of a team...
Reg.Season --- 82games/ 3.4Reb/ 5.4Asst/ 1.4Stl/ 18.4Pts
Post-Season --- 12games/ 4.2Reb/ 7.0Asst/ 1.9Stl/ 20.0Pts
The step up from regular season numbers to the better post-season secured this pick. We all know what Bibby was capable of, but this (in the numbers) was the best representation of what the guy can do for a team.
...Now for the body.
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Dime Dropper
All-Star
Well, I didn't think he'd be left, even at this stage.
My pick:
Vlade Divac
I'm taking 98/99 Divac, when he first arrived in Sactown. Stats:
14.3ppg (.470 .250 .700) / 10rpg/ 4.3apg / 1bpg / .9spg / 2.6 TO
The best Center in Kings history, and a huge factor in why the Kings were one of the best passing teams in NBA history (and arguably the best team during the early 00's).
Vlade is a guy known for his sweet passing ability, his on and off-court leadership, great character, his rebounding and winning mentality. I guess you can't leave out the flopping either, but that only works to my advantage! Vlade's impact on this franchise was crucial and he was a big reason for our success earlier in the decade.
My pick:
Vlade Divac
I'm taking 98/99 Divac, when he first arrived in Sactown. Stats:
14.3ppg (.470 .250 .700) / 10rpg/ 4.3apg / 1bpg / .9spg / 2.6 TO
The best Center in Kings history, and a huge factor in why the Kings were one of the best passing teams in NBA history (and arguably the best team during the early 00's).
Vlade is a guy known for his sweet passing ability, his on and off-court leadership, great character, his rebounding and winning mentality. I guess you can't leave out the flopping either, but that only works to my advantage! Vlade's impact on this franchise was crucial and he was a big reason for our success earlier in the decade.
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kingsnation
All-Star
Holy crap, my pick will have to be creative.
We may not be good...
but we're fun to watch.
PG - Jason Williams
Look! He has hair!
I'll take the 1999-2000 version, with 12.3 points, 7.3 assists, and 2.3 rebounds per game. Oh, and this too.
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I'm pretty sure he's the reason mix tapes were invented, but don't quote me on that.
but we're fun to watch.
PG - Jason Williams
Look! He has hair!
I'll take the 1999-2000 version, with 12.3 points, 7.3 assists, and 2.3 rebounds per game. Oh, and this too.
[yt=JWill Mix Tape]6Y615OnHyzs[/yt]
I'm pretty sure he's the reason mix tapes were invented, but don't quote me on that.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I added a new note to the rules about something I had forgotten to mention -- since games played matters here to some degree, I do not want the players from the strike shortened '98-'99 season to be at a disadvantage since only 50 games were played that year. So gms played from that year will be prorated out over an 82 game schedule. Thus if a guy played in all 50 games, it will be the same as playing in 82 of 82 for a regular season. If a guy played in 47 of the 50 games (94%) it will be the same as if he had played in 77 of 82gms in a regular season (82 x .94).
This brings up an interesting question - it is unlikely that the teams we draft will be able to adequately account for a full season's worth of minutes. A quick estimate suggests that there are at best about 200,000 minutes to be had across the top 144 minutes-eating players, which is how many will be drafted. That would average out to under 17,000 minutes per team, while an NBA season is just a hint under 20,000 minutes in length. It's probable that we'll have some teams with nearly 20K minutes and others under 15K...and if teams avoid the real stinkers who put up big minutes in favor of players with OK numbers in small sample sizes, then the minutes deficit may be larger than that. Are you going to ask us to take total minutes into consideration when ranking, etc., and if so, how?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I don't have a clean answer to that as there is a law of unintended consequences effect going on to some degree, and it will just have to evolve organically.
The "pick a season" provision was really designed as a "Gerald Wallace/Micahel Adams etc." rule. We've had a number of Kings go onto to greater things after leaving town, and getting remembered for being players they never were here. So tying things down to one season as a Kings player was a way to clarify those lines and keep peopel focused on who a guy was in his time for the Kings, not 5 years later as an All Star because we were dorks and traded him away. But inevitably it has evolved (rapidly I might add) into a more rigorous test that has had people (like yourself) selecting players just based on one season's stats, and has had people (like me) heavily concerned with which season they selected of a guy. I did not intend it toi be that rigorous, but since that's the way its gone, well that's the way it looks like it will be judged.
The gms provision was really designed as a "Drew Gooden" rule, to compensate/marginalize guys who came in or for whatever other reason played a handful of games in a season and had inflated numbers without having any real impact on the team. It was also designed to reduce people picking somebody's injury or trade shortened season with short season numbers unrepresentative of the type of player a guy really turned out to be as a King. And of course that is being considered more rigorously too, including by me passing over a better statistical year for Artest because he played in 13 fewer games during it. And that in the end may create a little problem of not enough games/minutes accounted for, and of somewhat greater concern could late in the draft have people just scouting around lookind for anybody who just played any amount of minutes rather than looking for the best remaining players. I have no real answer for that and its just going to develop the way it develops. I did not want Drew Gooden, off of one 12pt 10reb game, to be counted as one of the 5 top PFs of the Sacramento era. If that principal is taken too rigorously it is going to create some probelms/perversions of its own. But that's just evolution. Many/most of these drafts have spun in ways not entirely anticipated to begin. All I can say is that is not primarily waht the rule was aiimed at. Rewarding fulltime Kings rather than guys passing through for a week sure. That durability should be SOME factor = also sure. Guys who were always hurt for the real Kings were less valuable than guys who stayed healthy, so it should be a factor here as well. But it was never supposed to be an absolute stringent calculation where very game and minute needed to be accounted for and nobody could take on a bigger role than their numbers suggested. Supposed to be an offset, a balancing consideration when looking at a team/the stats, not an absolute.
uolj
Starter
Worrying about how many games people played is just on the cusp of being too complex. I don't think we need to bring minutes into the equation.
Conceptually speaking, I'd say if you are ranking a team who has a lot of players who missed a lot of games, then assume that any leftover time would be filled in by NBDL scrubs (i.e. an average Sacramento Kings player so bad he didn't get picked in this draft). In other words, oft-injured or rarely used players hurt the team.
The rankings and votes are always based on the individual's own interpretations of the draft anyway, so putting to many restrictions on it will tend to backfire and lead to unexpected outcomes.
(In other words... what Bricklayer just said.)
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Kingsnation PMd me to say that he would like to make the saavy pick I was pondering during my pick:
Rick Adelman
He can do the picture, song and dance bit later when he is able to sign on.
Venom_7 is up.
P.S. Slab, still waiting for your year and writeup on Bibby.
Rick Adelman
He can do the picture, song and dance bit later when he is able to sign on.
Venom_7 is up.
P.S. Slab, still waiting for your year and writeup on Bibby.
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SLAB
Hall of Famer
Sorry for the wait, its coming now.
R2D2
Bench
Shenanigans! Dwayne Schintzius will surely be gone by the 9th!
Well, by picking Jason Williams I say two things:
1. You just lost all credibility, mister!!! Dwayne was still available!
But, wait.....maybe you meant the 9th round???
2. You just picked my all time favorite player, which I somehow dreamt of picking in the second round (not that it was realistic, but stranger things have happened...). I just hope you like candy...
