Alexey Shved / Derrick Williams

Fear the Putin

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Reports are coming out that the Wolves will do everything in their power to keep Kevin Love, which means adding veterans at the current moment in an effort to get into the playoffs.

Woj is saying that Shved and Derrick Williams have been made available for trade talks:

http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...illiams-Alexey-Shved-Available-In-Trade-Talks

Shved, when given starter minutes last year was basically Vasquez + athleticism, quickness, & a 3pt shot. Unlike Vasquez, he DOES have the tools to be a good defender and is already and extremely good passer.

With Derrick Williams, you have that guy who coaches don't know what position to play him at. Is he a 3 or a 4? You take his size, speed, athleticism, 3pt shot and you can create a monster 3. But, you have to decide if you will commit to that. He simply won't succeed as a 4. If Malone would do that, I would be all for taking him on.

Now, the only veteran Adelman would actually take from our team would be Chuck Hayes as he had him in Houston and always loved the way he played. Would love to get rid of Thornton's salary, but I highly doubt Adelman would want a grumpy gunner who wants to start...and he won't get that in Minnesota with K-Mart taking reign of the 2 spot.
 
Dime Dropper

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Don't want either, unless they want to take some of our junk. Neither would make a difference to this team. Wiliams game hasn't translated, he's a tweener. Shved seems to have regressed.
 
VF21

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Sac.Kings said:
IT is completely fair game in my mind, but only if the trade makes sense. Thornton would become our 6th man then. Ben and Cousins are not available whatsoever.
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Seriously? Have you been watching Thornton lately? He has nothing that IT has - he's not energetic, he's not willing to dive into the scrum, he can't hit water from a boat (lately), and he's streakier than dirty glass. We'd be better off playing 4 guys and a chair at this point.
 
TheBadGuy

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Derrick Williams can certainly fill the Kings' SF slot though, the Kings can trade Hayes/Landry so Love can have a good back-up, maybe throw in Salmons as he no longer have any use if Williams is already with the Kings plus Salmons is a vet already.
 
VF21

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TheBadGuy said:
Derrick Williams can certainly fill the Kings' SF slot though, the Kings can trade Hayes/Landry so Love can have a good back-up, maybe throw in Salmons as he no longer have any use if Williams is already with the Kings plus Salmons is a vet already.
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Yeah, how do you fool them into taking Salmons?
 
hrdboild

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Now that they have Kevin Martin (and therefore have no pressing need for a scoring 2-guard), the only real way to go here would be seeing if they think Thompson coming off the bench with an affordable big man contract is a better bet for them long-term than Williams' potential. IT is playing too well to be a throw-in at this point, even if his contract is up at the end of the season. We should probably hang onto him until closer to the trade deadline when contenders are looking to plug injury holes or gain an edge on GS/Indiana/Clippers/Miami or whoever else is leading at that point.

As for Williams, I've always been in favor of acquiring him because I still think he's a lot better than he's shown so far. Following him during college, he's a guy that earned his spot by outworking everyone else. I'm a little nervous that he has a tendency to float on defense so I wouldn't pencil him in as part of the long-term plan yet, but I'm also convinced that one of Landry or Thompson will need to be moved at some point since they're both on 4 year deals and more or less redundant with each other. If we can make a deal exchanging our spare parts for there's (we could throw in a smallish expiring deal as well -- perhaps Patterson) then I'm all for it. No draft picks though.
 
Bricklayer

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Fear the Putin said:
Now, the only veteran Adelman would actually take from our team would be Chuck Hayes as he had him in Houston and always loved the way he played. Would love to get rid of Thornton's salary, but I highly doubt Adelman would want a grumpy gunner who wants to start...and he won't get that in Minnesota with K-Mart taking reign of the 2 spot.
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Saw that report, and immediately went through the same analysis you did. They made them available...for vets who can help them win now. We have none. The Hayes thing was the only possibility that looked open to me either, and at this stage fo his career you'd be lucky to get somebody to ggive you a 2nd round pick for him, let alone a young player with any potential.

The one other possibility that did arise to me Jason. But see, that's the thing. Unless its a salary dump, dumping Jason would hurt us and help them. You're getting back who knows what, and you are losing your only non-Cousins size.
 
Tetsujin

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People have to remember that these guys are playing in a Rick Adelman system so of course their stats aren't going to be that great. He's a great coach but it's not exactly the best for developing young talent.
 
ShastaKingsFan

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'89 Kings Fan said:
Since Shved is now shooting 20% for the season, I think we should look elsewhere.
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Not realistic. With what we have to offer, we're going to have to take a 'chance' on someone who has fallen off the radar. A player who has lost confidence in a particular system and team style, which happens a lot. Maybe Shved is one of those players. I know I'd rather work with his skillset, than Thornton's and Salmons'
 
K

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I'm on Thornton for Williams/Shved wagon now.

Salmons can slide to SG easily and having Ben start this early could exponentially improve his game.
Meanwhile, Williams may work as PF next to DMC better than PPat now.

Thornton is a vet that could easily ease into the K-Mart type SG role either from the bench or as insurance to Martin's fragile health (sometimes).
Maybe a move to another could bring that old spark in MT.

So we go with
PG - Vasquez, IT, McCallum
SG - Ben, Salmons, Shved
SF - PPat, Luc, Outlaw
PF - Williams, JT
C - DMC, Hayes, NDiaye
 
Fear the Putin

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When Williams plays well, he was always in that 3 spot. Even in this highlight, he is mostly playing the 3. It's not like he's an undersized PF ala Landry who doesn't have a perimeter game. He is quick enough, athletic enough and has a good perimeter game to back up playing him at the 3.

 
bajaden

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hrdboild said:
Now that they have Kevin Martin (and therefore have no pressing need for a scoring 2-guard), the only real way to go here would be seeing if they think Thompson coming off the bench with an affordable big man contract is a better bet for them long-term than Williams' potential. IT is playing too well to be a throw-in at this point, even if his contract is up at the end of the season. We should probably hang onto him until closer to the trade deadline when contenders are looking to plug injury holes or gain an edge on GS/Indiana/Clippers/Miami or whoever else is leading at that point.

As for Williams, I've always been in favor of acquiring him because I still think he's a lot better than he's shown so far. Following him during college, he's a guy that earned his spot by outworking everyone else. I'm a little nervous that he has a tendency to float on defense so I wouldn't pencil him in as part of the long-term plan yet, but I'm also convinced that one of Landry or Thompson will need to be moved at some point since they're both on 4 year deals and more or less redundant with each other. If we can make a deal exchanging our spare parts for there's (we could throw in a smallish expiring deal as well -- perhaps Patterson) then I'm all for it. No draft picks though.
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This isn't about what Minny needs, its about them clearing capspace. They want expiring contracts. IT wouldn't help because he doesn't make enough. Thornton isn't expiring. Salmons fits the bill. They need capspace.
 
rainmaker

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Sac.Kings said:
IT is completely fair game in my mind, but only if the trade makes sense. Thornton would become our 6th man then. Ben and Cousins are not available whatsoever.
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IT really isn't an asset due to his contract. You're not going to get anything in return for a guy on 884K this year who's also an UFA next summer.
 
Uncia03

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We'll have to see what Malone does with the SF position tonight as we are expecting things to be shaken up a bit. But I wouldn't be against getting Derrick Williams if we were to commit to him at the SF spot. The issue of course is what we'd have to give up. I wouldn't want to give up JT as he is our only other 'big'.
If they'd take Hayes or Salmon's as an expiring I'd do that with-out hesitation, but I think they could get a much better deal for Williams than what we can offer them.
 
Capt. Factorial

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rainmaker said:
IT really isn't an asset due to his contract. You're not going to get anything in return for a guy on 884K this year who's also an UFA next summer.
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Isaiah will be an RFA next summer (QO is only a bit over $1M, so in a world of uncertainties that's a given!)
 
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