Achilles heel...

[Wuster]

So the Kings are 1-2. For every fan who was lamenting the ugly start by Bibby/Peja, take a deep breath. They're back. All it took was a virtually defenseless free-for-all shootout in Phoenix to unleash them. A nice win for our boys, and great entertainment in the process.

Now that the starting five has shown what they can do, the next greatest area of concern is the backup 2. This is the backup position where the team is weakest, and it shows. Martin's game is raw, and Garcia's is even more so. Martin still looks like a boy among men whenever he's on the court. The second unit has scoring problems and the weakness at the 2 is a major reason.

It's early in the season. Adelman can afford to run his starters 40+minutes like he did last night - for a while. I think the Achilles heel on this team right now, though, is the backup at the 2 and the affect that has on the second unit and the team as a whole.

 

[AriesMar27]

oddly enough evans wouldnt have helped that, since he cant create his own offense..... this is where we really miss players like bobby and eddie..... with one of them we would just need a sg who can hold his own against opposing sg's....

 

[deviflux]

Boris Diaw.

 

[tyrant]

last time i remember the word "raw" meant good. anyways, i definately belive that our backup 2-guard position is amongst the least productive. martin is just plain awful. talented, but probably the weakest player on the floor. i like garica more than martin and feel that he should get more time on the floor. he needs to watch his shot selection and he'll be fine. we do have enough talent to hold up. our starters have a ton of talent and hart, thomas and corliss can all come off the bench and make shots. i wouldn't worry about it too much

 

[Kingsgurl]

Now that the starting five has shown what they can do, the next greatest area of concern is the backup 2. This is the backup position where the team is weakest, and it shows. Martin's game is raw, and Garcia's is even more so. Martin still looks like a boy among men whenever he's on the court. The second unit has scoring problems and the weakness at the 2 is a major reason.

Interestingly enough, veterans are allowed to struggle, like Peja and Mike did in the first 2 games, yet people make no such allowances for younger players. Everyone is always quick to try to write them off. They need time to develop, and I'll wager there will be several games in which they struggle (just like, go figure, guys who have been in the league for years) Martin looked fine out there last night in the minutes he got, and the more he plays, the better he will look. Same for Garcia. It's one of the perils of developing young talent, rather than 'renting' older, more mature players.

 

[HndsmCelt]

last time i remember the word "raw" meant good.

Ok note to allt he other Young Un's and Brick espcially: This is EXACTLY what happens when semantical inversion to create slang becomes more prevelant that proper instruction in generaly agreed upon standard usage. No Tyrant I am NOT picking on you. I am picking on the dolts that fail to teach and a societly that encourages and even embraces self maufactured dialects that impeede communication while marginalizing standard usage as "old fashaned", "Old school" or hegemonic.

 

[piksi]

Ok note to allt he other Young Un's and Brick espcially: This is EXACTLY what happens when semantical inversion to create slang becomes more prevelant that proper instruction in generaly agreed upon standard usage. No Tyrant I am NOT picking on you. I am picking on the dolts that fail to teach and a societly that encourages and even embraces self maufactured dialects that impeede communication while marginalizing standard usage as "old fashaned", "Old school" or hegemonic.

now we just need someone to translate this in English

 

[tyrant]

lol

 

[kennadog]

Thank you, HndsmCelt. Makes me feel a bit less anachronistic.

 

[HndsmCelt]

now we just need someone to translate this in English

OK...

"Yo, the deal here is that when pees break it down too far no one les gets the down low. Too much flipin the script confuses peeps. Tyrant is cool it's the teach that droped the ball and all the peeps that don't dope slap folks when they talk backwards."

 

[tyrant]

there ya go piksi ^^

 

[Warhawk]

OK...

"Yo, the deal here is that when pees break it down too far no one les gets the down low. Too much flipin the script confuses peeps. Tyrant is cool it's the teach that droped the ball and all the peeps that don't dope slap folks when they talk backwards."

You're scaring me....

 

[piksi]

OK...

"Yo, the deal here is that when pees break it down too far no one les gets the down low. Too much flipin the script confuses peeps. Tyrant is cool it's the teach that droped the ball and all the peeps that don't dope slap folks when they talk backwards."

not that kind of English

 

[Rockin' in the Free World]

All I can say is that was awesome! WOW! I feel like i should print this thread out and take it to my communications class.

 

[LPKingsFan]

This made my day.

 

[captain bill]

Ok note to allt he other Young Un's and Brick espcially: This is EXACTLY what happens when semantical inversion to create slang becomes more prevelant that proper instruction in generaly agreed upon standard usage. No Tyrant I am NOT picking on you. I am picking on the dolts that fail to teach and a societly that encourages and even embraces self maufactured dialects that impeede communication while marginalizing standard usage as "old fashaned", "Old school" or hegemonic.

I think it has less to do with slang than what "raw," in the traditional sense, connotes. It implies that a player has raw talent, that they have skill but no game yet, ie, once they develop they will be a good player.

ps it is hegemonic to impose a standard of precise meanings on all words, when for entire communities those words and signifiers take on entirely new meaning. Language is always fluid, trying to impose linguistic standards never ends well.

 

[Coach]

If our biggest concern is getting quality minutes from our reserves at the least important position on the floor, I'd say we are in for a good year.

And, although I thought Martin did not play well in the pre-season, I have liked what I've seen so far in the regular season. He is very quick, he fills the defensive lanes, and he is getting to the free throw line. My guess is that he may pull away from Garcia -- who still shows absolutely no judgement in his shot selection -- and becomes the established backup to Wells.

 

[Rookie]

LOL

HndsmCelt just made this thread very entertaining.

 

[Wuster]

I think it has less to do with slang than what "raw," in the traditional sense, connotes. It implies that a player has raw talent, that they have skill but no game yet, ie, once they develop they will be a good player.

Yep, that's the point I was trying to make, Bill. The only othe thing I'd add is that the individual may develop into a good player, not necessarily will.

Interesting how the use of the word "raw" has led to such a lively and interesting commentary.

 

[Kings113]

So the Kings are 1-2. For every fan who was lamenting the ugly start by Bibby/Peja, take a deep breath. They're back. All it took was a virtually defenseless free-for-all shootout in Phoenix to unleash them. A nice win for our boys, and great entertainment in the process.

Now that the starting five has shown what they can do, the next greatest area of concern is the backup 2. This is the backup position where the team is weakest, and it shows. Martin's game is raw, and Garcia's is even more so. Martin still looks like a boy among men whenever he's on the court. The second unit has scoring problems and the weakness at the 2 is a major reason.

It's early in the season. Adelman can afford to run his starters 40+minutes like he did last night - for a while. I think the Achilles heel on this team right now, though, is the backup at the 2 and the affect that has on the second unit and the team as a whole.

I agree.

I still think we need to possibly get another swingman or combo SG/SF player to back-up Bonzi/Peja. Since it seems that Rick isn't going to play Corliss every game (well until Garcia comes back, Corliss will be there). And while it is still early, I like them, but am not sure on SK/Garcia as the guys behind them both...

 

[Kingsgurl]

Well, they won't if they don't get the chance to play.

 

[VF21]

Since it seems that Rick isn't going to play Corliss every game ...

Corliss won't play every game because he has limited offensive ability. Last night was a shoot-out, pure and simple. I love Big Nasty, but he would not have been effective last night and I, personally, think Adelman did exactly the right thing by not bringing him off the bench.

There aren't many teams like the Suns, so I fully expect we'll see more of Corliss against teams like the Pistons.

 

[Kings113]

Corliss won't play every game because he has limited offensive ability. Last night was a shoot-out, pure and simple. I love Big Nasty, but he would not have been effective last night and I, personally, think Adelman did exactly the right thing by not bringing him off the bench.

There aren't many teams like the Suns, so I fully expect we'll see more of Corliss against teams like the Pistons.

Indeed. I meant in general.

As far as seeing more of Corliss, as said, we will definitely see him more. In the next few games or so at least. Possibly more than Rick had planned, because of Garcia's minor ankle injury.

 

[16to93]

I'm not sure if anyone has said this but I think we should mix the reserves and the starters up. Not put in all the reserves at one time like Adelman did. That way the starters can provide most of the offense.

 

[Kingsgurl]

Which is what he did in the Pheonix game.

 

[Bricklayer]

It would be nice to have a legit backup swingman, but this is not something that really has to be addressed until the trading deadline. My theory being this: I know we all excited about being worldbeaters off our 1pt victory over a team missing its best player that many on here were predicting would not even make the playoffs a week ago, BUT at the moment we are not contenders. And the only way to ever develop young talent is to actually play it. If we were at the top of the league with a real shot at the title, of course, go out and try to get a top reserve swingman. You can't sacrifice a title run for youth. But as it is, that's not where we are. And if you ever want Martin or Garcia to be anything (I am neither convinced that they will be or that they won't) you have to play them, not panic after three games and cover them up with Anthony Peeler 2005-06. So maybe you wait to see what we have, both in the kids, and as a team. If we are near the top of the league by the All-Star break, and Martin and Garcia are showing little, go get that extra piece to try to put us over the top. But right now we know very little on either front.

Worth it for a better young talent than Martin or Cisco? Absolutely and obviously. I would be on the constant lookout for such a deal, although it would be hard to find somebody willing to just give away that player. But squishing youth for grizzled vets should be a move restricted to teams for whom one or two victories makes all the difference, not teams looking to the future.

 

[Kings113]

Well, I wasn't suggesting a top reserve swingman.

In this-season-terms (in my previous post or two also) - I haven't lost all faith in them both yet, it's still quite early. But if it keeps up, I don't really like it, and incase of injury... weary moreso.

It's not a definite feeling yet or anything.

 

[SCKingsfan]

ps it is hegemonic to impose a standard of precise meanings on all words, when for entire communities those words and signifiers take on entirely new meaning. Language is always fluid, trying to impose linguistic standards never ends well.

straight up.

 

[Coach]

Corliss has limited offensive ability? You're kidding, right? Corliss' main strength is his ability to score points.

Per 48 minutes, he averaged 23.3 points per game last year. That's more per game than Bonzi Wells, Kenyon Martin, Cuttino Mobley, Andrei Kirilenko, Reggie Miller, Chauncey Billips, Steve Nash, Chris Bosh, and Joe Johnson. The man can put points on the board. In fact, that is why he is in this league.

Corliss' drawback is the is does not do the other things well.

 

[Bricklayer]

ps it is hegemonic to impose a standard of precise meanings on all words, when for entire communities those words and signifiers take on entirely new meaning. Language is always fluid, trying to impose linguistic standards never ends well.

However, on the flipside, a lack of linguistic standards inevitably leads to a breakdown in communication, which is an absolutely core aspect of human community. Without a common language, we are isolated, strangers. All language is organic, but there has to be a common ocre in any community (for instance, this board uses English despite having dozens of different nationalities with numerous other native languages represented).