A Jimmer trade

[K F Jay]

Fredette and Honeycutt for Al-Forouq Aminu. Aminu has not impressed his first two seasons in the nba for being a mid lottery pick in 2010. We take a chance on him. This way we don't put all our hopes on James Johnson.

Fredette and Honeycutt go to Portland while Luke Babbit and Nolan Smith go to New Orleans. Babbit seems to be on the upside and could be ready to break out but he's stuck behind Nicolus Batum who just signed a long term contract. Babbit will have that opportunity with New Orleans. New Orleans currently has 11 players on their roster so they'll need to add more players. They're lacking depth at the guard and wing positions currently having only three guards. Thus adding guard Nolan Smith a late first round pick in the 2011 draft who seemed to have a nice summer league showing last month. Moving Smith and Babbit makes room for Jimmer and Honeycutt. No one stands out on Portland's bench giving both Jimmer and Honeycutt the opportunity they won't have in Sacramento.

New Orleans Management may be a little disappointed with the play of Aminu who was part of the Chris Paul trade. To put a little salt on the wound Xavier Henry's stock seems to be rising overtaking Aminu. The Portland offer might be enough to get it done. They take a chance on Babbit and Smith 2 for 1 deal.

Portland before trade

Damian Lillard/Ronnie Price/Nolan Smith
Wesley Matthews/Sasha Pavlovic/Elliot Williams/Will Barton
Nicolus Batum/Luke Babbit/Victor Claver
LaMarcus Aldrich/J J Hickson/Joel Freeland
Myers Leanord/Jared Jefferies

Portland after trade

Damian Lillard/Jimmer Fredette/Ronnie Price
Wesley Matthews/Sasha Pavlovic/Elliot Williams/Will Barton
Nicolus Batum/Victor Claver/Tyler Honeycutt
LaMarcus Aldrich/J J Hickson/Joel Freeland
Myers Leanord/Jared Jefferies

New Orleans before trade

Greivis Vasquez
Eric Gordon/Austin Rivers
Al-Forouq Aminu/Xavier Henry/Lance Thomas
Anthony Davis/Ryan Anderson/Hakim Warrick
Jason Smith/Robin Lopez

New Orleans after trade

Greivis Vasquez/Nolan Smith
Eric Gordon/Austin Rivers
Xavier Henry/Luke Babbit/Lance Thomas
Anthony Davis/Ryan Anderson/Hakim Warrick
Jason Smith/Robin Lopez

All players traded on rookie contracts with 2+ years remaining with team options.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

This seems a lot like rearranging deck chairs. I don't exactly see why Portland has to be involved in the first place, as Aminu for Fredette/Honeycutt is almost exactly the same deal as Aminu for Smith/Babbit. But outside of clearing up a roster spot, I don't think this really helps us much. I've never been a big fan of Aminu and if I've got to roll the dice, I'd prefer to roll the dice on Fredette (who we know can shoot) and Honeycutt (who could become a good defender).

 

[Mojo]

Don't think New Orleans is going to part with Aminu right now. Henry was horrid during Summer League and he's just not ready to start yet.

 

[bajaden]

Babbit was one of the best players at summer league, and if I was going to target a SF, it would be Babbit and not Aminu. I have no doubt that New Orleans would give up Aminu in a heartbeat for Smith and Babbit, both of whom are probably better players than Aminu, who, like the Capt, Im not a big fan of. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't turn him down for the right price, but as I said, I'd rather have Babbit.

I also think that Portland would feel like they're having to bend over and pull down their pants in this deal. Just because you have two good players at the same position, doesn't mean you have to trade one of them. Especially if its for a totally umproven player like Honeycutt.

 

[Gary]

I would take a chance on Aminu if he could shoot the 3pt better. I basically have the same issues I had with him in college though, meaning he hasn't improved much (if at all) since coming into the NBA. It's the same ol same ol, no 3pt shot, tweener who isn't a prototypical SF but can only play PF in a small lineup which I figure most of the fans here don't want him play since we are pretty tired of the midget ball.

If he had developed a better shot I wouldn't mind taking a chance, but he hasn't improved so I say no.

 

[bajaden]

I would take a chance on Aminu if he could shoot the 3pt better. I basically have the same issues I had with him in college though, meaning he hasn't improved much (if at all) since coming into the NBA. It's the same ol same ol, no 3pt shot, tweener who isn't a prototypical SF but can only play PF in a small lineup which I figure most of the fans here don't want him play since we are pretty tired of the midget ball.

If he had developed a better shot I wouldn't mind taking a chance, but he hasn't improved so I say no.

Not only did he shoot 27% from the three last season, he only shot 41% overall. In other words, he's not a very efficient scorer from anywhere. I won't say, never say never, but when I watched him in college, he just didn't seem to have a feel for shooting the ball. And as you stated, I've seen little improvement. Babbitt is a far better player, who last season struggled with his outside shot a little. But he really shot the ball well in summer league. But more than that, he just looked like he knew how to play the game.

 

[ParniValjak]

A trade of one of the guards and/or one of many SFs for some front court depth makes sense to balance out the roster. Having said that, I get the feeling that we will stay as currently constructed and only sign Darnell Jackson for the veteran minimum as our 5th big and call it an off-season

 

[Hadlowe]

If the trade went through, Portland could boast a point guard roster from three different Utah colleges. I don't know that any NBA team has had three players from Utah schools on a roster before, let alone three at the same position.

 

[bajaden]

If the trade went through, Portland could boast a point guard roster from three different Utah colleges. I don't know that any NBA team has had three players from Utah schools on a roster before, let alone three at the same position.

Now that might be something to strive for. Nice piece of trivia!

 

[sosasura]

lets do it.... anything to get fredette out of this abysmal black hole that is sacramento kings basketball... ive never seen a team and organization absolutely murder the momentum of a player, like this team has done with fredette... i remember in that first preseason game where fredette scored an effortless 20 thinking, nothing will change, fredette will do his thing in the nba just like he did in college...then came the murdering of his confidence.... both by players, coaches, and even the organization... you protect, cater, and nurture, ur lottery picks, u dont f with their confidence, by dnp'ing them directly after they have a four game period where they start each game, ave 16 a game, and shoot 60% From 3 as well, yet as a reward for his best stretch of play of the season he is rewarded with consecutive dnps... its obvious he cant fit in here, because of the selfish, hateful nature of his teammates, but most of all because of his so called coach

 

[CruzDude]

hmmmmm, "...... it's obvious he (Jimmer) can't fit in here...". First time I've heard it that way and blamed on "hateful nature of his teammates...". Wow you must be an experienced NBA on court staffer to see that conspiracy theory in that vein. You will do yourself some favors here on the forum if you tone down the hate mail a bit and try not to appear to be a troll.

Based on watching Jimmer in his final 3 summer league games and in personally interviewing him and Coaches Smart, Jackson and English at summer league I could not detect one iota of what you say and rather found all four to state quite the opposite. What is the basis of your info? Maybe we have missed something.

 

[sosasura]

You think i care about being liked on this thread... lmao
why should i tone down my opinions, when most king fans are way more over the top when demeaning fredette. And did you not read my post, i gave you all kinds of ammunition as far as my opinion goes, for smart stunting fredettes growth; but for reitteration sake, here we go again. Middle of the season, fredette gets four consecutive starts, ave 16 a game, shoots a whopping 60% from deep, and is by far playing his best individual basketball as a pro. what happens next is absolutely mind boggling. one game later, he receives back to back dnp's. what a nice messege sent to a rookie by his mentor/coach. we tell you to shoot, you do, and do it well. now take a sit. It made no sense. ive always thought when it comes to lottery rookies, (or any rookies hopefully) as a coach, you build on their positive momentum. You sure as heck dont usually see coach's murder it. yet smart did. Killed his momentum And sure enough, when fredette came back he was nothing like the player he had been during that four game stretch.. theres many other instances as well. how about vs minnesota, down double figures when he enters in the fourth. he goes off and the kings take the lead, only to see him taken out with a min and thirty secs left. The kings for the record go on to lose on a three by a non three point shooter.. how about vs memphis, where in the sec quarter alone he scores 15 points, and dishes out 6 assist, in one freekin quarter. he played a grand total of 3 min in the sec half as the kings were destroyed.. wtf... as for my jealousy theory with his teamates, its odd u think im so out of line, yet im simply going off of what his wonderful nourishing coach said in sports illustrated interview, and i quote,

"Earlier in the season, they weren't feeling him because, quote-unquote, there's still a little jealousy in the air. Here comes a guy who's high profile, [and] it has nothing to do with the player. But he's coming into the team, has been marketed [by] the team, and everyone else on the outside sees that, and players hear that too. But the player may not be ready for what he's getting ready to face."

so how off base am i really. if you didnt see them shun him during the season, then you are either ignorant, blind, or just plain refusing to accept it. whenever he played with the first team he never got the ball when he was wide open. cousins, even when fredette was in at the 1, would dribble up the court and lose it, on so many occasions, rather than give a simple outlet pass to fredette. evans and thorton never hit him when he was wide open. part of the reason he shot a poor percentage, wass because he rarely ever got open looks, (he was often time open with his hands up, just couldnt get a simple swing pass) he instead was always having to go get his own shot. anyways i just wanted you to see how silly you sound for getting on me for accusing his teammates of being haters, when keith not so smart, said the exact same thing.
in a nutshell its like this. smart is a pathetic excuse of an interim coach. he lucked into the situation, and saw immediately the dynamics of this team. mainly the jealousy towards fredette. so he has made a conscious choice to throw his hat in with the jealous players, in hopes that it will make him a popular choice with them to stay on board... he hopes that the players see that he is one of them as he continues to shut down fredettes good progress with an immediate trips to the pine. extended trips in many cases... a good coach would find a way to unify this situation. he's not, so his idea of the next best thing is to go 14 vs 1. (actually t williams is not allowed in the jealous group; he is the best thing that happened to fredette during fredettes sub par rookie season; it was like night and day, watching him find fredette as opposed to thomas, thorton, and evans freezing him out and looking him off) so say what u what you want, but there is a reason smart is that guy who totally missed on jeremy lin... its not just coincidence. he'll also be the idiot that missed on fredette as well. i for one cant wait for the day to come when fredette gets the heck out of bball purgatory, and lets kings fans know just what they had.. i believe he is an offensive star rotting away under a jealous team, and a coach who condones it.

 

[bajaden]

You think i care about being liked on this thread... lmao
why should i tone down my opinions, when most king fans are way more over the top when demeaning fredette. And did you not read my post, i gave you all kinds of ammunition as far as my opinion goes, for smart stunting fredettes growth; but for reitteration sake, here we go again. Middle of the season, fredette gets four consecutive starts, ave 16 a game, shoots a whopping 60% from deep, and is by far playing his best individual basketball as a pro. what happens next is absolutely mind boggling. one game later, he receives back to back dnp's. what a nice messege sent to a rookie by his mentor/coach. we tell you to shoot, you do, and do it well. now take a sit. It made no sense. ive always thought when it comes to lottery rookies, (or any rookies hopefully) as a coach, you build on their positive momentum. You sure as heck dont usually see coach's murder it. yet smart did. Killed his momentum And sure enough, when fredette came back he was nothing like the player he had been during that four game stretch.. theres many other instances as well. how about vs minnesota, down double figures when he enters in the fourth. he goes off and the kings take the lead, only to see him taken out with a min and thirty secs left. The kings for the record go on to lose on a three by a non three point shooter.. how about vs memphis, where in the sec quarter alone he scores 15 points, and dishes out 6 assist, in one freekin quarter. he played a grand total of 3 min in the sec half as the kings were destroyed.. wtf... as for my jealousy theory with his teamates, its odd u think im so out of line, yet im simply going off of what his wonderful nourishing coach said in sports illustrated interview, and i quote,

"Earlier in the season, they weren't feeling him because, quote-unquote, there's still a little jealousy in the air. Here comes a guy who's high profile, [and] it has nothing to do with the player. But he's coming into the team, has been marketed [by] the team, and everyone else on the outside sees that, and players hear that too. But the player may not be ready for what he's getting ready to face."

so how off base am i really. if you didnt see them shun him during the season, then you are either ignorant, blind, or just plain refusing to accept it. whenever he played with the first team he never got the ball when he was wide open. cousins, even when fredette was in at the 1, would dribble up the court and lose it, on so many occasions, rather than give a simple outlet pass to fredette. evans and thorton never hit him when he was wide open. part of the reason he shot a poor percentage, wass because he rarely ever got open looks, (he was often time open with his hands up, just couldnt get a simple swing pass) he instead was always having to go get his own shot. anyways i just wanted you to see how silly you sound for getting on me for accusing his teammates of being haters, when keith not so smart, said the exact same thing.
in a nutshell its like this. smart is a pathetic excuse of an interim coach. he lucked into the situation, and saw immediately the dynamics of this team. mainly the jealousy towards fredette. so he has made a conscious choice to throw his hat in with the jealous players, in hopes that it will make him a popular choice with them to stay on board... he hopes that the players see that he is one of them as he continues to shut down fredettes good progress with an immediate trips to the pine. extended trips in many cases... a good coach would find a way to unify this situation. he's not, so his idea of the next best thing is to go 14 vs 1. (actually t williams is not allowed in the jealous group; he is the best thing that happened fredettes sub par rookie season; it was like night and day, watching him find fredette as opposed to thomas, thorton, and evans) so say what u what you want, but there is a reason smart is that guy who totally missed on jeremy lin... its not just coincidence. he'll also be the idiot that missed on fredette as well. i for one cant wait for the day to come when fredette gets the heck out of bball purgatory, and lets kings fans know just what they had.. i believe he is an offensive star rotting away under a jealous team, and a coach who condones it.

OK, here's my feeble attempt at wasting my time. There's no bigger fan of Fredette, than I'am. However, that doesn't mean I'm going to give him celebrity status, or excuse his mistakes. Yes, there were times last season when he appeared open and didn't get the ball. I could say the same thing of several players on the team. I don't think his not getting the ball had anything to do with him, but more to do with the tunnel vision of whomever had the ball. There were also times when he was wide open, and didn't shoot the ball, and that was issue in summer league. Bobby Jackson would be yelling at him to shoot the frigging ball. To attack the basket. Its summer league for god's sake.

Finally, in games 4 and 5, he started to play with more aggression, and shot the ball when open. The whole point of any play, is to get someone open for a clean shot. If the play gets you open, and you don't shoot it, then people stop passing the ball to you. And if you don't believe that, then you don't know NBA basketball. Jimmer is well liked by his teammates. If there's a knock on him, its that he's too nice, both on and off the court. All you have to do is meet him, and your realize what a nice person he is. What he needs to develop, is a little edge to his game. Throw a few elbows in the back. Grab a few jerseys from behind. Run the other PG into a few halfcourt picks. Watch some film on John Stockton.

If he remains on the team, then if might ge a good thing that he's moved further down the bench. No pressure, and no expectations. All he has to do is marinate in the NBA for a while, and maybe in another year, he'll be ready for a bigger role. But whatever his situation, it has nothing to do with being disliked by his teammates.

 

[sosasura]

i agree with some of what u just said... and just because i chose to talk about the dynamics of the team he is on, doesnt mean im excusing him from his poor play.... he played poor... no doubt about it. my point however was even when he played great, bad things still occured... dnps, after a 4 game stretch where he ave 17 and 60% from deep... thats my point... when u receive dnps, after playing ur best basketball as a rookie, its hard to grow from there.... my beef is mainly with smart.... i do think his teammates were eat up with jealousy last year (they're not anymore though ;-) his hype and confidence have officially been smothered out) but i agree with you that whether his teammates were jealous or not, they still have no clue how to play unselfish, team basketball... i dont excuse fredette from he's poor rookie season, but with no training camp, a coaching change, and a deck seemingly stacked against him both with his coach as well as his teammates (keep in mind im going on keith smarts opinion, as far as there being jealousy by his teammates towards him) not seeming to be a good fit; i do think he has a ton of ability that he is not being allowed to show in sacra mento.. it just is odd, because as bad as the kings suck, u would think they would at least give him a chance to do his thing... simply by default if nothing else... they were that bad, and even at the end of the season, as their lottery pick, he couldnt get extended minutes. smh

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Middle of the season, fredette gets four consecutive starts, ave 16 a game, shoots a whopping 60% from deep, and is by far playing his best individual basketball as a pro. what happens next is absolutely mind boggling. one game later, he receives back to back dnp's. what a nice messege sent to a rookie by his mentor/coach. we tell you to shoot, you do, and do it well. now take a sit. It made no sense.

Well, sometimes you have to put in a little bit of effort to understand why things that perhaps don't make sense to you might be perfectly sensible. For instance, if you were to look at the box scores for the four starts you mention, you would find a conspicuous absence of a player named Marcus Thornton. You see, Marcus Thornton, who was a regular starter for the Kings last year, was injured in the game prior to those four starts. Notably, if you look at the box scores for the two DNPs that you were complaining about, you would find that Marcus Thornton had returned from injury.

Remarkable!

Now, when you consider that Marcus Thornton was a starter for Sacramento last year, the fact that Jimmer was moved back to the bench on Marcus's return might make a bit more sense, even if Jimmer did have a good stretch filling in. But no, instead of taking a bit of time to THINK about the situation, you go straight to "selfish, hateful...teammates" and calling our team "an abysmal black hole".

Bravo. Well done.

And normally, I wouldn't go there but since you are not only a player-fan but a spiteful player-fan, here goes: I can't help but notice that you don't have a very good grasp of the written English language, given the (at least) 116 grammatical errors in your post. You can click here (link) to find some writing help for next semester. Enjoy.

 

[sosasura]

kind of funny how you chose to go about ur clever little post.. obviously thorton was out.... its not like i made u think he was playing... i just chose to not to go into to that... my thinking was more along these lines. of course thorton was out, in order for smart to every put fredette in the starting line up... later in the year when thorton was out, fredette was not so lucky, as he did not get future starts do to thorton injury's... probably due to the way he flourished during the four starts that i spoke of.... and you, being so concerned with grammatical errors on a sports forum priss pot, totally missed the major point of my post. of course he's going back to the bench when thorton returns; but the two dnps that followed were his first of the season... thats my point mark twain, that even though he played his best basketball of the year in thortons absence, his coach rewarded him immediately with back to back DNPs. Some reward system... So dont act like you just cracked some kind of code, by stating thorton was out. of course he was out. That has nothing to do with my point, thus the reason that information was left out... thanks for playing.. now go count my errors. Woman

 

[VF21]

Moderator note: sosasura has left the building. Don't waste time responding to his drivel, as he's made his last post. -- VF21

 

[Glenn]

Awww! Just when I was beginning to think he might come around.

 

[Dime Dropper]

I'm going to miss her. Always amusing (if not pathetic and laughable) when people show up with crushes on players. Never understood it myself, though.

 

[VF21]

I'm going to miss her. Always amusing (if not pathetic and laughable) when people show up with crushes on players. Never understood it myself, though.

I think she was a he.

 

[Kings4]

Perhaps it's due to the simple fact they appreciate what the player did at his or her alma mater!!! Sad thing is, his arguments were very articulate, and well thought out, and i find it quite weak of this site that he gets banned.. Pretty pathetic.... Funny how everyone is piling on now that he has been eliminated from defending himself!!! I thought personally his comments were a bit eye opening!!! I Never new jimmer had a four game stretch like that. What are dnp's

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I think she was a he.

Was it the "woman" attempt at an insult that gave it away? Part of me wants to feel bad about deliberately baiting our little friend into a ban, but it was obviously going to happen sooner or later so I figured we ought to get it out of the way.

 

[Kings4]

You tell people to quit talking in response to this guy, yet all of you continue to pile on after you ban him! I'm a BYU fan, and a kings fan, and only found this topic due to searching Jimmers future in Sacramento. I was so ticked off at the way this situation was handled with this guy, that I signed up solely to comment. Yet I see the moderators are at it again with me. This is why I stick to sac town royalty. At least it's not a communist site. Shame on you

 

[VF21]

You tell people to quit talking in response to this guy, yet all of you continue to pile on after you ban him! I'm a BYU fan, and a kings fan, and only found this topic due to searching Jimmers future in Sacramento. I was so ticked off at the way this situation was handled with this guy, that I signed up solely to comment. Yet I see the moderators are at it again with me. This is why I stick to sac town royalty. At least it's not a communist site. Shame on you

Posts of new members are put into a moderator queue to ensure they're not Nigerian spammers. There was no intent to deprive you of your voice or your opinions. I'm very sorry if how this situation was handled offended you; we try to maintain a civil discourse and the individual in question made some very rude comments, some of which you cannot see.

Sactownroyalty is an excellent board, somewhat different in tone and tenor than KF, but with members who are easily as loyal to their site as our members are to ours. Both boards share a common purpose - to promote interest and discussion in the Sacramento Kings. There are those who post at both sites and those who prefer one or the other. It's actually a tribute to the Kings that two fan boards can continue to thrive despite the poor showing of the team for the past several years. You don't see that very often, especially with small market teams.

Have a nice day.

 

[bajaden]

You tell people to quit talking in response to this guy, yet all of you continue to pile on after you ban him! I'm a BYU fan, and a kings fan, and only found this topic due to searching Jimmers future in Sacramento. I was so ticked off at the way this situation was handled with this guy, that I signed up solely to comment. Yet I see the moderators are at it again with me. This is why I stick to sac town royalty. At least it's not a communist site. Shame on you

Preytell, what is the purpose of posting on a fourm? To give your opinion? If so, I would think that part of that intent, is to convince fellow posters of your point of view. No? So let me ask you, if thats your, or anyone's intent, do you think the best approach is to say you don't care if anyone likes you. You don't care who you irritate. Do you think that being insulting and abrasive to other posters is the best way to win your point? No, no, and no!!!

When a new poster shows up, we always welcome him. From that point on, its up to him or her, to create whatever image of themselves they want us to accept. In rare cases, that image is unacceptable. Now I visit Sactownroyality quite often. And, if you think his behavior would be acceptable on that fourm, your clearly mistaken. And before you go off halfcocked, I'd like to point out, that many times, the post that gets someone booted, is never seen by the masses. In other words, you may not know the whole story.

The irony of the whole situation is, that there are many of us that are big Jimmer fans, and he managed to tick us off. He had people here that were willing supporters. All he had to do was be civil..

Now, you say your a BYU fan and Jimmer supporter. Well, so am I. So what? Because you love Jimmer, or I love Jimmer, that means we should ignore the fact that he had a very poor season last year. This is the NBA, not college! The guy sitting at the end of the bench in the NBA was the best player on his highschool team, and in some cases, he was the best player on his college team. No one gives you anything. You have a limited amount of time to prove you belong, and if you don't, your gone. So I'm going to be honest with you. I was shocked that Jimmer got as many minutes as he did last season, because in my opinion, he didn't earn them. For anyone to cherry pick four games and hold them up as an example of why he should get more minutes is ridiculous. I could easily hold up 10 or 12 games where he was terrible.

I say this as fan of Jimmers, and as a believer that he'll be just fine in the future.

 

[upinsmoke]

sosasura what do you recommend coach Smart to do? Give Jimmer Thornton's Mins?
Because there very similar players but MT is cleary the better player. Alot of us want to move Jimmer to but the market for players 6'2" shooting 386% and not to mention a defensive liability is slim to none. Jimmer just has to get better before he can get traded or get regular mins PERIOD.