[Game] 47/82: Kings @ 76ers 29 JAN 2025, 4:30pm PT/7:30pm ET
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I'm starting to come around to the line of thinking that "maybe the front office is the problem?"
I was unhappy with the limited off-season movement two years ago but I gave them a pass because the 16 year no-playoffs streak had just been broken and team building takes time. There was an inflection point just after last year's play-in game disappointment where some big changes needed to happen. We had the lottery pick and free agency to try to fill those gaps in the rotation during the off-season and the front office only halfway did their job. It's already cost us our coach (some see that as addition by subtraction but I still don't) and now it appears that De'Aaron Fox is likely to be the next casualty. The timeline on Fox's free agency has been set in stone for years. There's really no excuse at this point for only taking half measures to push this team into contention.
Maybe the perfect deal doesn't exist but considering how quickly (less than a month) our front office has jumped from broadcasting that Mike Brown was the problem to exploring the possibility that trading Fox will make this team better, I'm rapidly losing faith that there ever was much of a plan. Why is it so hard for anyone in this organization to simply provide context for what's taking place? Are we competing? Rebuilding? Twiddling our thumbs? Hoping someone else will throw us a lifeline?
I was unhappy with the limited off-season movement two years ago but I gave them a pass because the 16 year no-playoffs streak had just been broken and team building takes time. There was an inflection point just after last year's play-in game disappointment where some big changes needed to happen. We had the lottery pick and free agency to try to fill those gaps in the rotation during the off-season and the front office only halfway did their job. It's already cost us our coach (some see that as addition by subtraction but I still don't) and now it appears that De'Aaron Fox is likely to be the next casualty. The timeline on Fox's free agency has been set in stone for years. There's really no excuse at this point for only taking half measures to push this team into contention.
Maybe the perfect deal doesn't exist but considering how quickly (less than a month) our front office has jumped from broadcasting that Mike Brown was the problem to exploring the possibility that trading Fox will make this team better, I'm rapidly losing faith that there ever was much of a plan. Why is it so hard for anyone in this organization to simply provide context for what's taking place? Are we competing? Rebuilding? Twiddling our thumbs? Hoping someone else will throw us a lifeline?
Frankly, until the Fox saga is solved, I don't really count what we see on the floor
NewArena
All-Star
Yup. Sabonis is just asked to do way way too much. Not a single attempt at addressing this need is embarrassing and i need another break from these guys.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
No it’s not Lyle’s is perfectly fine backing up Sabonis if he was next to a wing like the data shows with him and keegan
NewArena
All-Star
We’re going to get blown out in ways we’ve never seen before. Buckle up.
kingsfan_4Life
Bench
I mean look how good we played when Fox was injured for a few games several days ago. That really tells you all you need to know. Now if we can add a decent player on the floor in his absense, it would only help us.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
How does the bench get outscored by Philly when phillys bench is already starting for them
megapoxy
Starter
Frustrating loss, Kings stopped attacking the paint and settling for 3s that weren't falling. Many were "in and out" but that doesn't mean anything.
Rotation still seems not to be working well. We have players in the bench that will get zero "non garbage time" (Mason Jones, McLaughlin, Crowder), no idea what's going on with Carter lately and he barely plays 10' and then we have Colby (that was given some chances this season did well in defense but we have a ton of guards), IC and IJ with Stockton squad for a week already.
They only positive stuff from today was that we didn't allow many second chances points (due to Sixers going small I guess), we didn't foul a 3 pointer (unless I missed something when skipping the timeouts -watched with delay a bit), we passed the ball well mostly in first half, and we were more cautious not turning the ball over in the 2nd half.
However the team has been underperforming for a 4th match in a row including the win at Brooklyn. I was shocked to hear at the beginning that we are 9th in first quarter and Sixers 25th or something, we didn't really take advantage of it though and that "blackout" in the middle of the 3rd going from +12 to fall behind in 3 minutes was "deja vu" of the Mike Brown December 2024 period. Things not looking good again, uncertainty about Fox, when he will leave, who will come to his place bla bla bla, but the issues lately started to appear not because of him.
Rotation still seems not to be working well. We have players in the bench that will get zero "non garbage time" (Mason Jones, McLaughlin, Crowder), no idea what's going on with Carter lately and he barely plays 10' and then we have Colby (that was given some chances this season did well in defense but we have a ton of guards), IC and IJ with Stockton squad for a week already.
They only positive stuff from today was that we didn't allow many second chances points (due to Sixers going small I guess), we didn't foul a 3 pointer (unless I missed something when skipping the timeouts -watched with delay a bit), we passed the ball well mostly in first half, and we were more cautious not turning the ball over in the 2nd half.
However the team has been underperforming for a 4th match in a row including the win at Brooklyn. I was shocked to hear at the beginning that we are 9th in first quarter and Sixers 25th or something, we didn't really take advantage of it though and that "blackout" in the middle of the 3rd going from +12 to fall behind in 3 minutes was "deja vu" of the Mike Brown December 2024 period. Things not looking good again, uncertainty about Fox, when he will leave, who will come to his place bla bla bla, but the issues lately started to appear not because of him.
So, a lin?
I mean, it's possible players on the team have known for a while that Fox is mailing it in. Monk and Fox are pretty tight; I find it hard to believe that he's not aware of anything.
ShastaKingsFan
All-Star
They've known he mailed it in since he fell asleep on a game deciding play and allowed Ivey to win a game with a 4pt play
sactowndog
All-Star
Doug is coaching much like Mike.
megapoxy
Starter
Yes but still managed to play well for quite long after this. Blaming Fox for everything is the easy solution and it also hides all the other problems that the team might have. Bottom line things are not looking good lately and they might get even worse if 2 more defeats are coming at MIN and OKC.
sactowndog
All-Star
both are problematic which is why I am praying/begging for my Smith/Isaac trade as it solves both
Jdbraver137
Bench
Well I guess I’m opting out of season tickets next year
NewArena
All-Star
I just don’t want to remember Fox this way smh sit this guy down man. I’m done
TaxMan
Starter
A depressing game to watch. we are back to playing extremely streaky ball. minutes go by without a score. We looked like the team on the second night of the back to back. I love Doug’s passion, but it feels like he may be a dead man walking….unless the front office can pull a rabbit out of their hat.
Between our rough December, coach firing, fox drama and the Kangz national narrative again it’s hard to remain pumped to watch this team. Never good when front office drama and superstar trade rumors are more fun than watching the game.
Between our rough December, coach firing, fox drama and the Kangz national narrative again it’s hard to remain pumped to watch this team. Never good when front office drama and superstar trade rumors are more fun than watching the game.
Rob-The-Great
Starter
With all due respects to Fox, who the hell is he?
Rush to build around fox? The whole concensus argument around him is he is not a number 1 guy on a championship team. So with that logic set in stone, the guy we need to build around isn't even on this team yet.
What we did with Fox is make up for his shortcomings by surrounding him with shooters. Hueter, Buddy, Murray
We have treated Fox with all the respect in the world. His family has first class seats to every game.
We passed up on a generational talent so he could keep ball in his hands,
We traded an equal talented pg, so again we could keep ball in his hands.
We brought him in a all start 1st team Center, drafted a equally talented SF for him to grow with
Brought in his partner in Crime Monk to play with
Gave him a Max contract, protected him from criticism. Defended him from everything. Never put too much pressure to get us to the next level, until 8 years into his career.
Sick of throwing this organization under the bus because he couldn't get us over the hump. If he had half the heart of Sabonis or he'll even Cousins, we wouldn't even be talking about this. He would he on dame status and we would be sending him off to better pastures with a smile for giving it all he could to this organization.
Instead half the fans are pissed because we know he had another gear to give and refused. Another level but didn't go. We feel greatful, yet cheated at the same time. It's time to move on.
Thank you. Fox and Wife ans Baby
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Do they? Per minute in terms of production Carter is already blowing anyone else on that bench away. I get he's a rookie and Doug might be easing him into his pro career but Carter per 48 is putting up 17, 12, and 6. Not to mention his defense and hustle. Doug Christie isn't even really using a bench. I don't care who is on your bench, no team in the NBA has to play a 7 man rotation and the Kings certainly don't either.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
Easing him I’m is a stretch he’s not even getting 10mpg it’s asinine and you’re right about the rotation. Ellis, Lyle’s, and Carter is an eight man rotation by themselves
GWD
Bench
I'm still not convinced that Christie is calling all the shots that an experienced coach normally does. The front office / management thought they knew more than Brown so they very likely feel they know more than a rookie coach.
Christie may have gotten the job under conditions and restrictions we do not know.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
I don't think Carter is untouchable but we're not going to move him for someone that isn't an immediate impact starter on this team.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
He’s a rookie, who all the draft freaks loved, why would we trade him Stiles?
having said that, we need him to get minutes. Dude can play
having said that, we need him to get minutes. Dude can play
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Stiles has been trying to sell Kuzma as the answer for 2 years now, that's all that needs to be known about his talent evaluatation skills, lol. Monte said Carter wasn't just about this season, it's about the long term but it's pretty clear he can help now. Certainly more than some of the other options taking minutes.
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