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uninterested.Why i always have, and always will love De’Aaron Fox:
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uninterested.Why i always have, and always will love De’Aaron Fox:
Wait, did I miss when 'simplistic' became a synonym for 'wrong'? Yeah, what he said was technically correct. It's also a simplistic, dismissive and reductive way of looking at something at a lot of people probably believe is more nuanced than that.Everything he said was right just cause we beat the wizards doesn’t make it wrong I could careless what they shot we can’t shoot like that vs 90% of the league and win
Tell me why I spent two minutes looking for Christie in this picture before my brain clicked over to, "Oh, that Doug!"Doug is listed at 6’6 but he always looks so much bigger than other guys. I wonder if he is like 6’8?
Kuzma has been truly truly awful this season, according to advanced stats worst starter in the league
Fully agree on Kuzma. He is washed and not sure which team would like to get him...
About JV, many teams are rumoured to land him during trade window. He can give a good boost to most teams and it would be super nice to have Domas backup another lithuanian![]()
The Kings have turned their season around after firing mike brown. Obviously they have the better roster but why not try and make a change for once. Billy is a nonchalant coach and how he operated speaks volume to what we saw on the court. In any of these 5 games, he didn't change anything at all. No adjustments, no changing of lineups or rotations. I'm so done with him.
Ditto lolTell me why I spent two minutes looking for Christie in this picture before my brain clicked over to, "Oh, that Doug!"
The fact Keon was getting DNP’s throughout the year is basketball terrorism.
One of the most head scratching moves we've ever seen among all the King's coaches. Nobody could reasonably make sense of or justify it
yeah I think it literally cost him his job.
Len is a better fit for this team than JV. People can criticize my posts about Len but I notice little things apparently others don’t. DeRozan is in with the bench practically the whole time, as well as Fox. They don’t need a big like JV to clog the lane for either player. Jonas is so slow he can’t get in dribble hand off well, or set picks even as good as Len. Again they already have DeRozan to iso when Len and the bench is in.
Defensively, Len is way better. Can protect the room, move around better, etc.
Yes Jonas can post up better but he changes a teams style drastically when he’s in. No more lanes for Fox, less post ups for DeRozan, etc. He’s a better rebounder than Len sure, but a lot of that is he’s so immobile he stays under the basket a lot on both ends.
It’s not about scoring for a big man, especially on a system and team like Kings where they stagger the minutes so they have (2) 20 point scorers always in with the bench. Len could attempt 0 shots as he did tonight until the end 3’ and still be effective offensively (not a liability) because he moves the ball, screen sets, etc.
As I’ve said repeatedly, if they want a different look at 5’ and want a shooter that may make sense. But if you want a traditional 5 that can move, play defense, play big, shot block Len is prob the best options. There’s always trade offs too. Get a more athletic big that can roll better, and he prob can’t screen as good or know Kings system or beat up other team under basket. Get a guy with more mass than Len like Jonas and he can’t run the floor like Len, move defensively, etc.
One of the most head scratching moves we've ever seen among all the King's coaches. Nobody could reasonably make sense of or justify it
What do you think Mike Brown and now Doug Christie are missing with Len's play? Len only got in the game to match-up with Jval's size and Jval proceeded to have one of his best games of the season.
He's not a rotation player anymore. He's lost a step this season compared to the last 2 and even in those years, he wasn't a consistent back-up C option that could spell Domas game in and game out. Again, Len has been here the entire time Domas has and yet, we've had to run Domas into the ground because no one has been able to sustain any sort of level of competent play to give him rest.
Even if we don't go strike big with a Cam Johnson/John Collins sort of swing, we have to address back-up C. The Kings cannot afford to leave Domas on an island where we have to push him 37+ every game to get a win.
What do you think Mike Brown and now Doug Christie are missing with Len's play? Len only got in the game to match-up with Jval's size and Jval proceeded to have one of his best games of the season.
He's not a rotation player anymore. He's lost a step this season compared to the last 2 and even in those years, he wasn't a consistent back-up C option that could spell Domas game in and game out. Again, Len has been here the entire time Domas has and yet, we've had to run Domas into the ground because no one has been able to sustain any sort of level of competent play to give him rest.
Even if we don't go strike big with a Cam Johnson/John Collins sort of swing, we have to address back-up C. The Kings cannot afford to leave Domas on an island where we have to push him 37+ every game to get a win.
This has become THE narrative of the Mike Brown firing among Kings fans but it's mostly fiction. Keon Ellis had 2 DNP-CD in the first 31 games before Mike Brown was fired, it's not like he was riding the bench for months. And aside from that week in early January when Keon got pushed into the starting lineup because of injuries, Doug Christie is playing him the same amount of minutes that Mike Brown was. Look it up.
The average minutes might be close, but the way he is consistently using him throughout games is different, including in 4th quarters and closing. It goes well beyond the basic time on floor stat
Did I miss the forum's "LIGHT THE BEAM" (or BEAN) at the end of the game? Went back and looked for it and found nothing.
Either it was an underwhelming win or the beam is becoming passé. I guess gimmicks don't last forever but is/was an interesting innovation.
I agree about the last part. It does go way beyond time on the floor -- into the realm of fan pathology.![]()
He hasn't "lost a step". He's the same player and Christie has been using him more than Brown did. You told us he wasn't an NBA player two years ago and that he'd be out of the league,... then changed your mind and said "had to eat crow" when Brown decided to play him and he got a rhythm going....and earned another contract with the Kings,... while others like Orlando Robinson, who you were excited about, don't make the cut.
Just play Lyles or Collins if they get him, if they want a stretch 5 in there
I don't think Chistie is missing much ... Len has been the backup when they've gone the traditional route. Like I said a spacer like Lyles at the 5' has worked a bit and that argument can be made. Now Brown was just trigger-happy with pulling guys from the rotation - Len, Elllis, trying random combos, etc.
Jonas went off had very little to do with Len in my opinion. Many of Jonas' minutes was when Sabonis was in (maybe half/half, gotta check), and Jonas produces #'s. That's what he does vs anybody. They went to him more last night so of course he scored more. In the 2nd half, Jonas just scored 1 basket on Len pretty sure 1 on 1 (and this was on a clear push off that should have been offensive foul) and turned the ball over another time.
I can see the argument Len has looked a tad bit slower compared to last year but I don't think it's a drastic change at all. Len has barely played this year so of course if you're judging a guy's foot speed / agility when he hasn't played in a week, he'll look a bit more rusty. I think a lot of people criticizing Len this year are simply judging him against Sabonis, who has been out of this world this season. Any backup Center wouldn't look that great behind Sabonis the way he's playing. I mean the only other traditional big that has played this year has been Orlando Robinson, and agility/speed/athleticism people objectively viewed him below Len in that regard.
I also think Stylistically the Kings offense when the whole bench is in (talking 3 min left in 1st to 9 minute left in 2nd roughly) has been mediocre and this has nothing to do with who the bigs are. Watch the tape. DeRozan is 99% on the court during this stretch, usually along with Fox. And it seems the Kings coaching staff has instructed DeRozan to run his iso more during this time, instead of moving the ball, running DHO's etc. Len was highly effective last year because of the ball movement and the wide open lane when he sagged the defense in going to the basket. Now, you got DeRozan occupying space in the mid-range area which has caused some adjustment. And I think Len has adjusted in the last few weeks compared to earlier in the year and has looked better. This is nuance you only notice if you pay attention, and it's hard to notice because Len's minutes have been so scattered. Again cause of the spacing issues with DeRozan, I've been consistent saying a spacer 5' may make sense but as I've stated which traditional big is better than Len? And is it offensively or defensively? Break down how exactly this big will function better than Len when Fox & DeRozan are running ISO's, picks, etc? And if it's defensively are you (or another poster) suggesting another big can cover for Lyles, DeRozan, Fox in protecting the paint better than Len? It might sound harsh but I think a lot posters here just get obsessed with #'s - see a big can "8 and 8" and think Kings need that from their backup center. They don't. It's a team game and #'s are team based - a backup center is not scoring 6/8 ppg in 12 mpg on this team while Fox & DeRozan are sharing the court with him.
May think I'm biased or whatever 'cause I guess I favor bigs who do the little things & play defense, but I just don't agree that Len is lacking anything to play 15 minutes behind Sabonis. It's a coaching decision to run Sabonis into the ground.
Since Christie took over he's played 68 minutes in 11 games. He has 3 DNP-CD. He has 2 games over 10 minutes in the Christie era. That's "using him more?" Do you even bother to look things up before spewing a baffling take?
Yeah, I atoned for my sins on that take 3 years ago. He's been a good end of bench big the last 2 seasons. I don't mind keeping him in that role as all reports show him to be a great locker room guy and having some good size at the end of the bench. But the proof is in the pudding on my side, not yours, as it's always been. Why has he not been able to lock down a consistent back-up role in 3 years then? Why is he getting DNP-CD from new coach Doug Christie? It's because he's not good enough to play a consistent back-up role.
Not sure what you're watching, if you don't see a difference in what is going on with Keon now with Christie
The average minutes might be close, but the way he is consistently using him throughout games is different, including in 4th quarters and closing. It goes well beyond the basic time on floor stat
3 years ago? It was less than 2 years ago, when Brown finally decided to give him a look at the end of that '23 season.
Why do they keep signing him, when guys like McGee, Queta, Robinson, and others are released?
So 2 head coaches now that are purposefully holding Len back? Because they want to run Domas massive minutes every game? That what we're going with?
Because he's a good locker room guy that's given you good end of bench production when called upon. And they keep signing all these guys because the back-up C spot is a problem that we haven't fixed in 3 years. If Len were a capable back-up, they wouldn't have to go try and find someone to fill the slot.
Now answer my question instead of avoiding it. Why has Len not been able to take the back-up C job from all these signees if he's that much better than them?
We also have very little sample of Christie having a fully healthy roster. Keon caught fire last night, but the main reason he's gotten extended run under Christie has been all the injuries. We'll see what happens going forward, but the closing lineup has stayed the same under Christie, when everyone is available. It hasn't included Keon.
Your wish shall be my command...Did I miss the forum's "LIGHT THE BEAM" (or BEAN) at the end of the game? Went back and looked for it and found nothing.
Either it was an underwhelming win or the beam is becoming passé. I guess gimmicks don't last forever but is/was an interesting innovation.
Um he has. He’s consistently been the #1 traditional big behind Sabonis practically his whole time here.