[Game] 38/82: Kings @ Warriors 09 JAN 2026, 7pm PT/10pm ET

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SacTownKid said:
That wing was Cam Johnson IIRC. Yeah, the same dominoes would have fallen and they'd be left with more pieces to try and flush out.
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If we had traded 13 and whatever for Johnson or one of many other guys I don't really like, we'd at least not be stuck with that awful pick swap looming in 2031. And we wouldn't have had DeMar mucking up the roster during that time, and probably Keon would have gotten more run as well. I'm failing to see how it could have gone worse unless we not only traded that pick but future picks as well. But they wanted that pick.
 
gunks said:
I absolutely believe Russ and Schroeder were signed this offseason with the intent to compete (our record wasn't horrible post Fox trade). It smacks of the Vivekian quest for perpetual mediocrity.
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What about this hypothetical scenario? (Not saying I even believe in this, but it's entertaining and seems to fit the personalities...)

Perry: This roster can't compete. There's no defense. We need to do a multi-year rebuild.
Vivek: I hear you. But isn't there something we could do to make the play-in games?
Perry: Yeah, not really. In fact, I just Tweeted about this: "When life makes you grab your ankles, make sure to bring along some clippers and a pumice stone and give yourself a pedicure." With a picture of a sunrise. It's deep.
Vivek: Ooh, sounds luxurious and I need to exfoliate, but isn't there anything you can do to get us close to .500?
Perry: (snickers) Well, I can think of two veteran point guards that are available in free agency...
Vivek: I love it! That's our plan!
 
Tetsujin said:
Yeah I’m neither here nor there in Devin right now but it’s pretty clear that the front office and coaching staff sees something in him that they don’t really like and I’m not sure getting a token ten minutes a night as the third PG is going to really change that.
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Or the decision makers are completely full of crap. It's been shown time and time again over the last 6 months that their words do not match their actions.

I'd bet on Carter/Keon being very successful at their next stop over the Doug/Perry being proven as a winning power structure
 
sactowndog said:
Because we aren’t sending them a pick and the money doesn’t work otherwise. Plus Mark was talking him up. I’m sure we could waive Doug or Saric to get below the tax if needed.
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At this point one-year deals can't be stretched, so we can't waive them and change our tax number.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
If we had traded 13 and whatever for Johnson or one of many other guys I don't really like, we'd at least not be stuck with that awful pick swap looming in 2031. And we wouldn't have had DeMar mucking up the roster during that time, and probably Keon would have gotten more run as well. I'm failing to see how it could have gone worse unless we not only traded that pick but future picks as well. But they wanted that pick.
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Dumb is always going to make dumb happen somewhere along the line. Picking Fox at that point was not a good idea. The Kings would have done something dumb to follow it up and it might have been way worse. It's all hypotheticals, picking Fox, nope, it was over.
 
Tetsujin said:
Yeah I’m neither here nor there in Devin right now but it’s pretty clear that the front office and coaching staff sees something in him that they don’t really like and I’m not sure getting a token ten minutes a night as the third PG is going to really change that.
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Possible or they think if he can learn to run a team, with his defense, he would be a valuable point guard. So send him to Stockton and see what he does. The measure for Carter is not points but assists.
 
Tetsujin said:
kings fans: Our roster sucks! Except for this guy. And this guy. And this guy. And this guy. Actually why aren’t we competing for a championship?
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Because what we're seeing now? We've basically seen it before. And then again. And again. Next step is the Kings filling up their cap with value signings and talent grabs rather than clearing the way and not attempting to skip steps. Flexibility gives a team options, the Kings just don't seem to understand the concept.
 
The_Jamal said:
Or the decision makers are completely full of crap. It's been shown time and time again over the last 6 months that their words do not match their actions.

I'd bet on Carter/Keon being very successful at their next stop over the Doug/Perry being proven as a winning power structure
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Nobody is calling Doug a winner and Perry got one of the most stubborn owners on the planet to jettison the team and set it up for the success it is enjoying right now.

We have no reason to believe Keon won't be here next year right now other than the negative vibes surrounding this team. He was untouchable in the summer window and that stupid Schröder deal was signed with the same agent. Why are we getting mad at things that haven't even happened yet.
 
sactowndog said:
Possible or they think if he can learn to run a team, with his defense, he would be a valuable point guard. So send him to Stockton and see what he does. The measure for Carter is not points but assists.
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I don’t even know if it’s about assists. Just getting the ball down the floor in a way that we could set the offense with a reasonable amount of time on the shot clock would be an improvement.
 
sactowndog said:
Possible or they think if he can learn to run a team, with his defense, he would be a valuable point guard. So send him to Stockton and see what he does. The measure for Carter is not points but assists.
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This almost reminds me of the Stauskas/McLemore situation. People questioned how they'd fit together, the answer was Nik can play point. Then... they didn't even try. This year Carter and Clifford can run point. Then neither really do. It's a cycle with the same end game. It might happen regardless but why not search for answers.
 
SacTownKid said:
Dumb is always going to make dumb happen somewhere along the line. Picking Fox at that point was not a good idea. The Kings would have done something dumb to follow it up and it might have been way worse. It's all hypotheticals, picking Fox, nope, it was over.
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We know for a fact from his own interview that his agent helped convince Fox to move. Yeah, betting on Fox was dumb from the moment he signed with that agency. But we did, and we just made the team even dumber in the process.

Monte struck gold with the Beam Team but just couldn't follow. And I still think we could have done better for Haliburton even if we decide that was win win, and he lost every other deal he made. Couldn't pull the trigger on other big moves because he had cold feet. He would not have brought Webber here, I can say that.
 
SacTownKid said:
This almost reminds me of the Stauskas/McLemore situation. People questioned how they'd fit together, the answer was Nik can play point. Then... they didn't even try. This year Carter and Clifford can run point. Then neither really do. It's a cycle with the same end game. It might happen regardless but why not search for answers.
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Vlade even tried to seriously float that Bagley could play the 3
 
pdxKingsFan said:
We know for a fact from his own interview that his agent helped convince Fox to move. Yeah, betting on Fox was dumb from the moment he signed with that agency. But we did, and we just made the team even dumber in the process.

Monte struck gold with the Beam Team but just couldn't follow. And I still think we could have done better for Haliburton even if we decide that was win win, and he lost every other deal he made. Couldn't pull the trigger on other big moves because he had cold feet. He would not have brought Webber here, I can say that.
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My contact in the NBA at that time said Monte could have done much better for Hali than he did. He said no one knew Hali was available.

Monte lucked into Hali and ****ed up everything else.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
If we had traded 13 and whatever for Johnson or one of many other guys I don't really like, we'd at least not be stuck with that awful pick swap looming in 2031. And we wouldn't have had DeMar mucking up the roster during that time, and probably Keon would have gotten more run as well. I'm failing to see how it could have gone worse unless we not only traded that pick but future picks as well. But they wanted that pick.
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If we had traded Barnes for Nesmith and a first we would have been much better off
 
SacTownKid said:
This almost reminds me of the Stauskas/McLemore situation. People questioned how they'd fit together, the answer was Nik can play point. Then... they didn't even try. This year Carter and Clifford can run point. Then neither really do. It's a cycle with the same end game. It might happen regardless but why not search for answers.
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Because as we've seen in the last 30+ posts in this thread, fans aren't going to care. They're fine watching the ghost of Russ and DDR and because it's a "lost" season, have no interest in how the team is being operated. Giving a pass to Doug because he's a team legend or something.
 
sactowndog said:
My contact in the NBA at that time said Monte could have done much better for Hali than he did. He said no one knew Hali was available.

Monte lucked into Hali and ****ed up everything else.
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We could have gotten at least a first along with the package we got if he knew how to win a negotiation. That's Benn or Sharpe (or Jalen Williams) but get real Monte clearly didn't seem to go deep past the obvious BPA aggregators.

and yeah for sure if you are trading a player with all star potential which Hali clearly had you don't just deal with one team. Hell he should have traded Fox without telling him once we knew where this was headed.
 
The_Jamal said:
Because as we've seen in the last 30+ posts in this thread, fans aren't going to care. They're fine watching the ghost of Russ and DDR and because it's a "lost" season, have no interest in how the team is being operated. Giving a pass to Doug because he's a team legend or something.
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And then they'll mysteriously care next season when it's hits the ground halting, haha.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
Sam Hinkie has been blackballed from the league.
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I have no affection for him. Clearly the process failed. But I don't think it's a fair comparison to say that Kings fans were calling for a Sam Hinkie process and suddenly can't handle it. Most of the people complaining the loudest are fine with the losing, they just want to see the kids getting minutes and can't understand why we're still riding one year rentals like we're gunning for a play-off spot.
 
hrdboild said:
I have no affection for him. Clearly the process failed. But I don't think it's a fair comparison to say that Kings fans were calling for a Sam Hinkie process and suddenly can't handle it. Most of the people complaining the loudest are fine with the losing, they just want to see the kids getting minutes and can't understand why we're still riding one year rentals like we're gunning for a play-off spot.
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Because we need to trade all the crap. And we don't have a legitimate point guard option on this team no matter how much some of you want it to be Carter. We tried Monk already.
 
hrdboild said:
Sam Hinkie stripped the Sixers down to all G-Leaguers and rookies. That is 1000% not what this is.
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League’s sorta in a different place than it was then though (mostly because the Thunder are hoarding like half the available picks over the next half decade so no one really has much of anything available to trade). The aprons have really made player movement much more difficult than it was during the OLD old CBA. Obviously that makes it more confusing that the Kings appeared to have signed a couple of guys for the apparent purpose of just trading them later but that’s a discussion for another day lol
 
sactowndog said:
Possible or they think if he can learn to run a team, with his defense, he would be a valuable point guard. So send him to Stockton and see what he does. The measure for Carter is not points but assists.
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Carter hasn’t played in the G league in a while and when he did he only had 4 assists. Looking like yet another inexplicable Monte draft pick
 
sactowndog said:
Carter hasn’t played in the G league in a while and when he did he only had 4 assists. Looking like yet another inexplicable Monte draft pick
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Even if he shows up in year 3 or 4 at this point the cost was too high compared to any other option.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
Because we need to trade all the crap. And we don't have a legitimate point guard option on this team no matter how much some of you want it to be Carter. We tried Monk already.
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The Kings can only work with what they have. Playing all the crap isn't going to make a trade more likely. Time to start riding the unknown horses. No excuses. PG's take time to develop. Not playing or standing in the corner for the guys needing reps is indicative of what has made the Kings the franchise they are. This is the time where you afford opportunities for development. They'd rather let Westbrook pass someone else on the scoring ledger. If Clifford or Carter can't run point, they better for sure find that out now and this is the time where a smart franchise would be at the very least tinkering and testing those waters.
 
SacTownKid said:
The Kings can only work with what they have. Playing all the crap isn't going to make a trade more likely. Time to start riding the unknown horses. No excuses. PG's take time to develop. Not playing or standing in the corner for the guys needing reps is indicative of what has made the Kings the franchise they are. This is the time where you afford opportunities for development. They'd rather let Westbrook pass someone else on the scoring ledger. If Clifford or Carter can't run point, they better for sure find that out now and this is the time where a smart franchise would be at the very least tinkering and testing those waters.
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Both of those guys will be under contract next year when Russ 100% won't be here and there's a fair chance Dennis won't either.

We'll also be rid of at least a few of the people blocking Keon.

And we'll still be contending for a top 5 pick.

This is just impatience in the clearing house of all our junk phase. It isn't easy to do with this CBA. There's no quick fix. But I really do think if we benched all our top earners we'd get into deep doo doo with Silver who seemingly hates Sacramento and would be happy to see us just be a G-league team in the NBA that feeds talent to teams he likes anyways.
 
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