2nd Round Action

[Sarunas]

Yeah I agree as well, even a guy like Scottie Reynolds while not a real pg but a more sg in a pgs mold I see him having a Jet Terry like career in the league. He's got something about him in the clutch that a team that takes a chance on him in the 2nd round will be surprised by the type of production they get out of him.

I hope we do not take Scotty Reynolds. He has nothing near the athleticism of J-Terry, nor the ball handling. I can't say hes clutch either, he went 4-26 in the tourney, and forced a ton of bad shots, almost costing them the game vs. Robert Morris. As said earlier, I'd go Jimmer Fredette, Collins, Elliot Williams or Jerome Dyson, if you're going to go the SG in a PG body route.

 

[bajaden]

I hope we do not take Scotty Reynolds. He has nothing near the athleticism of J-Terry, nor the ball handling. I can't say hes clutch either, he went 4-26 in the tourney, and forced a ton of bad shots, almost costing them the game vs. Robert Morris. As said earlier, I'd go Jimmer Fredette, Collins, Elliot Williams or Jerome Dyson, if you're going to go the SG in a PG body route.

I agree 100%. Reynolds is an absolutely horrible defender. He has one attribute and thats shooting the ball. He's an average ballhandler and average passer. If you want a shooter off the bench and somebody that can actually play some point guard, which Reynolds can't, I would go with Jimmy Fredette. He's a terrific shooter. Maybe the best shooter in college right up there with James Anderson. While Fredette might not be the best athlete, he still always finds a way to get his own shot.

I don't want Scottie Reynolds anywhere near our team.

 

[FakeInjury]

We absolutely won't take a chance on reynolds, even though i like his game. He reminds me of bibby, and will be in the nba for a stint. that being said, if varnado is there or any other big, we will be drafting them. We can pay for a 1 in the offseason or pick one up off waivers or better yet trade for 1. What i would like to see Sacramento do is trade away a futue 1st round pick in 2014 or something for some real talent and start conending in 2011

 

[Gary]

Here are a few I would like to get a look at..

Craig Brackins PF 6-10 230lbs
Sherron Collins PG 5-10 200lbs
Armon Johnson PG 6-3 190lbs
Greivis Vasquez PG/SG 6-6 200lbs
Trevor Booker PF 6-7 240lbs


Not really wanting to look at Willie Warren because he's too ball hungry. Needs it to be effective, and disappears when he does not have it.

 

[bajaden]

Here are a few I would like to get a look at..

Craig Brackins PF 6-10 230lbs
Sherron Collins PG 5-10 200lbs
Armon Johnson PG 6-3 190lbs
Greivis Vasquez PG/SG 6-6 200lbs
Trevor Booker PF 6-7 240lbs


Not really wanting to look at Willie Warren because he's too ball hungry. Needs it to be effective, and disappears when he does not have it.

I like Greivis Vasquez, and he would be a good fit for the Kings along side Evans. He can handle the ball, create shots for others and create his own shot. And he has good size. You might go so far as to call him a poor mans Evan Turner.. Booker is an overacheiver and undersized. The bigs I would be interested in in the second round are, Parakhouski, Varnado, Jordan, Brackins, Pittman, Samhan, Michael Washington, Derrick Caractor, and Charles Garcia. I would try and bring all these guys in and get a good look at them. I really hope they also give Kenneth Faried a good look. I think he has serious potential. I also like Jimmy Fredette. He proved in the tournament he could create his own shot and he's a hell of a shooter, as well as a ball handler and passer.

 

[FakeInjury]

I hate to say it but michael washington will probably go undrafted because of back problems or a late 2nd round pick at best. If we have an early 2nd round pick, we have to get value out of it because this draft is super deep in role players. We can assume that we won't win the lottery, because lets face it, Stern WON'T let that happen to the NBA. We will be looking at a 5th pick, and we might be faced with a tough decision that will change the direction of the franchise for years. We go with size or we go skill. If we do the size thing, we draft Al-faruq-aminu or Cousins or Favors or Wes Johnson. Based on current projections, Turner/Wall/Donatas will be picked 1-3. that gives us alot of options, but what is also interesting is the early 2nd round, 1st we need to know if Varnado or Lawal or Brackins will be there, also we need to find out if Eric Bledsoe drops out of the 1st round(unlikely). Basically, there will be some players who stay in school, and this 2nd round could get thin as time goes by. This draft is more important than last years because last year was cut and dry Griffin or Evans. This draft we could go small with Avery Bradley(unlikely) or Get someone who will make an impact immediately like Pattrick Patterson or Demarcus cousins. Personally, i take Aminu or trade down.

 

[FakeInjury]

2nd round, if we can pair Jordan Crawford with Tyreke, and give tyreke a backcourt buddi, hey that sounds not so bad, 1-2 Evans/Crawford, 3 Aminu or Wes Johnson 4 Landry 5 Hawes/Thompson

 

[bajaden]

I hate to say it but michael washington will probably go undrafted because of back problems or a late 2nd round pick at best. If we have an early 2nd round pick, we have to get value out of it because this draft is super deep in role players. We can assume that we won't win the lottery, because lets face it, Stern WON'T let that happen to the NBA. We will be looking at a 5th pick, and we might be faced with a tough decision that will change the direction of the franchise for years. We go with size or we go skill. If we do the size thing, we draft Al-faruq-aminu or Cousins or Favors or Wes Johnson. Based on current projections, Turner/Wall/Donatas will be picked 1-3. that gives us alot of options, but what is also interesting is the early 2nd round, 1st we need to know if Varnado or Lawal or Brackins will be there, also we need to find out if Eric Bledsoe drops out of the 1st round(unlikely). Basically, there will be some players who stay in school, and this 2nd round could get thin as time goes by. This draft is more important than last years because last year was cut and dry Griffin or Evans. This draft we could go small with Avery Bradley(unlikely) or Get someone who will make an impact immediately like Pattrick Patterson or Demarcus cousins. Personally, i take Aminu or trade down.

Well, you kind of all over the place. first of all I'll be absolutely stunned if Motiejunas goes in the top three. But with the Warriors possibly being the third pick, its possible. I have don't have Aminu anywhere on my radar. He's a SF, I don't care what label they put on him. I have no need for 6'8" 215 pound Pf. And I less need for another SF. I predict that Aminu will slide a little.

I think somebody will take a flyer on Bledsoe. I also think he should go back to college. He has very few point guard skills at this point. He's an average ballhandler at best. He turns the ball over at a very high rate. Almost one third of the time he touch's the ball. He's a terrible halfcourt player. He's an average passer. His outside shot is very suspect and irratic. Despite his terrific athleticism, he has trouble creating his own shot. He is no John Wall. Defensively he's not a bad player. I would take Avery Bradley before I would take him, and I wouldn't take Bradley with a high pick either.

I glad you thought that Griffin and Evans were cut and dry, because most draft boards didn't and obviously the Thunder and Grizzly's didn't either. When I suggested we draft Evans, there wern't that many people on this fourm that agreed.

I do like Walker, but I think there are other players that I would draft before him in the second round. I also like Patrick Patterson, but I wouldn't call him an impact player. Patterson is a player thats good at a lot of things, but not great at anything. He's like the energizier bunny. He's all over the court. He's once again, another undersized PF. A very athletic one though. I would take Ekpe Udoh in a heartbeat over Patterson.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

We can assume that we won't win the lottery, because lets face it, Stern WON'T let that happen to the NBA.

Can we stop with the "Stern hates Sacramento so we won't hit the lottery" conspiracy talk?

If there's anything we need to face, it's this: The lottery is a fairly run process. We know the rules. We have our very own team observer in the room to ensure that things go fairly, and Stern has no control over which ping pong balls come out of the hopper.

 

[FakeInjury]

Fair is the NBA giving the Sacramento Kings an ancillary 1st round draft pick in the top 1 for doing us dirty against LA 8 years ago. Then, when people talk about that game, you can't say the NBA didn't make up for it.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Fair is the NBA giving the Sacramento Kings an ancillary 1st round draft pick in the top 1 for doing us dirty against LA 8 years ago. Then, when people talk about that game, you can't say the NBA didn't make up for it.

I have in the past heard the advice "Spend your money foolishly and your time wisely." So rather than come up with a reasoned response to this nonsense, I will spend my time in a wiser fashion.

 

[hammystyle]

Zoubek

I think Zoubek can carve himself out a spot in the league provided his feet check out healthy. He's pretty mobile and looks every bit the 7'1 he's listed. Everyone here wishes Brockman were 6 inches taller...Zoubek's a pretty good facsimile.

 

[FakeInjury]

Good call on Zoubek, but his draft stock is late 1st round high 2nd round. Why would he go to the NBA when his team just won a championship. BUT, zoubek is one of those players that could come in the NBA and just flat out ball. Its a gamble with Z, he could be a starter or he could be the next Shelden williams. Z's offense is weak and he is a playr i think will go back to the NCAA.

 

[hammystyle]

Good call on Zoubek, but his draft stock is late 1st round high 2nd round. Why would he go to the NBA when his team just won a championship. BUT, zoubek is one of those players that could come in the NBA and just flat out ball. Its a gamble with Z, he could be a starter or he could be the next Shelden williams. Z's offense is weak and he is a playr i think will go back to the NCAA.

He's a senior.

 

[FakeInjury]

looks like after DeSean Butler's ACL injury, we might be selecting him with our 2nd rd. pick.

 

[FakeInjury]

And lets be serious here, Varnado will not be available in the 2nd round. Gordon Hayward might be available, and I am not against getting another 3 because we will be trading nocioni ASAP. Jordan Crawford, Samhan, Brackins, Pittman, Sherron Collins should all be available

 

[bajaden]

And lets be serious here, Varnado will not be available in the 2nd round. Gordon Hayward might be available, and I am not against getting another 3 because we will be trading nocioni ASAP. Jordan Crawford, Samhan, Brackins, Pittman, Sherron Collins should all be available

You make a lot of assumptions. I think its very likely that Varnado will go in the second round. Late first at best. I have no idea what Butlers injury has to do with us drafting him in the second round, but as much as I like him he has a lot of holes in his game. Its not a given that Nocioni will be traded. As they say, it takes two to tango. And if there's a position we don't need to draft, its at the three position.

Also, I hate to inform you of this, but Duke hasn't won the championship just yet. They still have to beat Butler. And how could you know all these other things and not know that Zoubek was a senior. By the way, the last thing this team needs is Sherron Collins. As much as I like some of the things he does, he's an undersized Pt guard that tends to monopolize the ball.

I think Haywood will go late first round. He's a pretty good player. Don't be fooled by his baby face. He's listed at 6'9". We'll find out how accurate that is at the combine. He's a good ballhandler for a big man. He's a decent to good passer. I think he'll be an excellent outside shooter. He shot over 40% from three point range his freshmen year, and although his % went down this year, he has excellent form on his shot. He's been a pretty good rebounder all year. He's a very versatile player that can score inside and outside. The only huge question is his defense. He's been a pretty good defender at the college level. Its anybodys guess how that will translate. He made a huge stop on Mich St.'s last gasp play with 5 seconds on the clock, by blocking Summers shot. His stock is rising, not falling..

 

[bajaden]

I think Zoubek can carve himself out a spot in the league provided his feet check out healthy. He's pretty mobile and looks every bit the 7'1 he's listed. Everyone here wishes Brockman were 6 inches taller...Zoubek's a pretty good facsimile.

I can see Zoubek coming off the bench for someone. He's a terrific offensive rebounder. Not sure, but I think he lead all of college in offensive rebounding. He has virtually no offense to speak of, other than put backs. He does have a little hook shot that he sometimes literally just throws up there and hopes. But your analogy with Brockman is not a bad one. He's just an OK shotblocker, but nothing special in that area. His man defense is where he can help.

I don't know how much his offense can be improved. He's very mechanical, and since he's a senior and his offense hasn't improved that much at Duke, I wouldn't bet my house on much improvement in the future. He wouldn't be my first choice in the second round, but I do think he could be a solid addition.

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

I think Zoubek is overrated. His offense has regressed every year, and while that won't be his calling card in the NBA, he's one of the worst offensive centers in the NCAA, so I'm not sure if that would make up for his other strengths. He pretty much never touches the ball outside of offensive rebounds, and this might look worse in the NBA. His rebounding rings flukish--he's really rebounding well this year but if history has any say, he's more "good" than "great". But what really irks me in particular is his poor blocks/foul ratio--he's shown some ability to be decent in shotblocking, but I think he's more poor to decent than decent to good. So while he has the height, and maybe the rebounding, he's so poor in the other areas, and there are many players like him, that I don't think he stands a chance in the NBA. I don't think he can just live off several good tourney games, because his first three years in Duke were so nondescript. Someone will throw him a camp invite because of his height however. Honestly I think Hilton Armstrong was a better college player, and that's saying something. And my vitriol for Hilton has been well documented.

Varnado is okay. He's only an average offensive player with questionable shooting ability and fairly limited usage rate, but he's capable of finishing and getting to the line solidly because he's active. He's also a far better defensive rebounder than offensive rebounder, something that with his slinky frame (6'9" 210) might not really translate to the NBA level as well. But he's a very good rebounder for his position. But where he really establishes himself as the NBA prospect is through his shotblocking--his body of work through four years of college here has been absolutely stellar, and better yet he does it without fouling. But we've seen cases of players of that ilk (Shawn James, Stephane Lasme) who haven't translated that well into the league, and between the average offense and the potentially untranslatable rebounding/tweener body there's a reason he had to stay all four years in college. I think he might make a role as a hustle player who can bring the occasional shotblocking and frenetic rebounding, but he needs to land in the right situation. Probably a late 2nd rounder.

Gordon Hayward's interesting. First of all, he's a CSE major...okay, kidding aside, he fits the mold as a decent scoring role playing SF, and being that he's far from a possession hog, he's cut in the right cloth to be a roleplayer. His offensive game is mixing and matching slashes with threes, a very smart and rather unique ability, but I'm sort of questioning whether he can excel at either one in the NBA level. He's a very good free throw shooter and shot very well from three last year, so I think the shooting will come around, but he did shoot <30% from three this year. Likewise, he didn't finish well last year but did this year. I don't think the slashing will totally translate, but being a Mike Miller type here (finishing off the ball/shooting) won't surprise me. An okay passer, and a very solid to nice rebounder (again, reminding me of Miller in this respect). He's also a decent disruptor. Just an interesting prospect with more than a few dimensions, and even if some don't translate (i.e. the slashing) he's smart and sound enough to find a niche somewhere. I'm not entirely sure there's a bread and butter he can go to, but he can be a jack of all trades type somewhere. He'll land somewhere in the 20s, I'd say he's a mid-20s talent.

 

[bajaden]

I think Zoubek is overrated. His offense has regressed every year, and while that won't be his calling card in the NBA, he's one of the worst offensive centers in the NCAA, so I'm not sure if that would make up for his other strengths. He pretty much never touches the ball outside of offensive rebounds, and this might look worse in the NBA. His rebounding rings flukish--he's really rebounding well this year but if history has any say, he's more "good" than "great". But what really irks me in particular is his poor blocks/foul ratio--he's shown some ability to be decent in shotblocking, but I think he's more poor to decent than decent to good. So while he has the height, and maybe the rebounding, he's so poor in the other areas, and there are many players like him, that I don't think he stands a chance in the NBA. I don't think he can just live off several good tourney games, because his first three years in Duke were so nondescript. Someone will throw him a camp invite because of his height however. Honestly I think Hilton Armstrong was a better college player, and that's saying something. And my vitriol for Hilton has been well documented.

Varnado is okay. He's only an average offensive player with questionable shooting ability and fairly limited usage rate, but he's capable of finishing and getting to the line solidly because he's active. He's also a far better defensive rebounder than offensive rebounder, something that with his slinky frame (6'9" 210) might not really translate to the NBA level as well. But he's a very good rebounder for his position. But where he really establishes himself as the NBA prospect is through his shotblocking--his body of work through four years of college here has been absolutely stellar, and better yet he does it without fouling. But we've seen cases of players of that ilk (Shawn James, Stephane Lasme) who haven't translated that well into the league, and between the average offense and the potentially untranslatable rebounding/tweener body there's a reason he had to stay all four years in college. I think he might make a role as a hustle player who can bring the occasional shotblocking and frenetic rebounding, but he needs to land in the right situation. Probably a late 2nd rounder.

I agree with just about everything you said. In fairness to Zoubek, he was injured both his freshman and sophmore years, which I'm sure didn't help his development. But if you watch him play, your brain tells you that it wouldn't have mattered anyway. His lack of offense, and the fact that he's not a good defensive rebounder, which I put a lot of value on, is what bothers me. I would take a flyer on Jerome Jordan before him, and I'm not a big fan of Jordan's. But Jordan is a much better athlete, and is just as tall. Jordan at least has basic offensive moves and when he puts in the effort, he's a good rebounder.

I think Varnado will go in the upper half of the second round. I think someone will take him just because of his shotblocking ability. He does hold the all time NCAA shotblocking record for total blocks, and thats nothing to sneeze at. He is a good rebounder. And as you stated, he has the ability to block shots and not get into foul trouble. Udoh is another one that has that ability.

 

[FakeInjury]

Yes, i make assumptions, but duke won, and WE ARE GOING TO TRADE nocioni. What else did i say, oh ya, Bulter's injury puts him safely out of the 1st round because he wasn't projected as a superstar to begin with, and win him being bounced from the 1st round and players like Orton and Bledsoe who would likely be late 1st rounders are probably going back to Kentucky, basically that puts Varnado a little higher on the draft board. I just just assume without thinking about plausible scenarios that are likely to occur. And drafting a 3 would be a superb idea for the kings because we still don't have a starting caliber SF and it would be wise to bring in another measuring stick for all the other 3's to be tested against. One player who really intrigues me is Stanley Robinson, he is projected 1st round pick, but if he falls it would be WELL WORTH the money to purchase the 29th or 30th pick just to get him on a 4 year deal. Robinson is like bonzi wells but taller.

 

[bajaden]

Yes, i make assumptions, but duke won, and WE ARE GOING TO TRADE nocioni. What else did i say, oh ya, Bulter's injury puts him safely out of the 1st round because he wasn't projected as a superstar to begin with, and win him being bounced from the 1st round and players like Orton and Bledsoe who would likely be late 1st rounders are probably going back to Kentucky, basically that puts Varnado a little higher on the draft board. I just just assume without thinking about plausible scenarios that are likely to occur. And drafting a 3 would be a superb idea for the kings because we still don't have a starting caliber SF and it would be wise to bring in another measuring stick for all the other 3's to be tested against. One player who really intrigues me is Stanley Robinson, he is projected 1st round pick, but if he falls it would be WELL WORTH the money to purchase the 29th or 30th pick just to get him on a 4 year deal. Robinson is like bonzi wells but taller.

I noticed you waited to see the outcome of the Duke/Butler game.. I'm sure that they'll try to trade Nocioni, but its not a given that it'll happen. I certainly hope it will, as I said, it takes two to tango, and who knows what value Petrie puts on Nocioni, or what he's willing to take back. My favorite SF in the draft is Damion James and since he'll probably go in the first 15 picks in the draft, there's no way we get him unless we aquire another first round pick.

I just don't see us drafting a three when we have obvious need elsewhere. I think Greene and Casspi both have the potential to be starters in the league. It just doesn't happen overnight. We draft another SF and your just adding another young player that might have the potential to be a starter in the league. Whats the point of that? Now your spliting the minutes between Greene, Casspi, Draftpick, and Nocioni, if for some reason we aren't able to trade him.

At the same time we could use another big man to develop for the future or a shooting guard with handles and some point guard skills. Someone like Greivis Vasquez would be someone that I'd take a look at. He's a 6'6" SG/PG whose not a bad defender. He can handle the ball and he's a pretty good passer. He's not a great outside shooter, but he's certain't a decent outside shooter. He plays with attitude and toughness. Another guy you might take a look at is Terrico White. He's a little more raw, but has athleticism and potential.

I like Stanley Robinson, but I don't love him. I would take James every time over him. Having said that, I think he's too talented to drop out of the first round. I see him going somewhere between 18 and 25.

 

[FakeInjury]

I just don't see us drafting a three when we have obvious need elsewhere. I think Greene and Casspi both have the potential to be starters in the league. It just doesn't happen overnight. We draft another SF and your just adding another young player that might have the potential to be a starter in the league. Whats the point of that? Now your spliting the minutes between Greene, Casspi, Draftpick, and Nocioni, if for some reason we aren't able to trade him.

At the same time we could use another big man to develop for the future or a shooting guard with handles and some point guard skills. Someone like Greivis Vasquez would be someone that I'd take a look at. He's a 6'6" SG/PG whose not a bad defender. He can handle the ball and he's a pretty good passer. He's not a great outside shooter, but he's certain't a decent outside shooter. He plays with attitude and toughness. Another guy you might take a look at is Terrico White. He's a little more raw, but has athleticism and potential.

I like Stanley Robinson, but I don't love him. I would take James every time over him. Having said that, I think he's too talented to drop out of the first round. I see him going somewhere between 18 and 25.

Can't agree more. This draft is very deep, but we won't know how deep untill the deadline to declare passes. Players like Jimmer Freddett, Jon Sheyer, and now De'sean Butler, and even Kyle Singler to a degree are 2nd round picks. But Singler is a junior, and he is one of those players who might not be drafted in the 1st round because of the cascading effects of random players having a monster combine. Jimmer Freddett will have a tough time cracking the 1st round this year because on players like Damion James and Robinson. NBADRAFT.net has Gani lawal late in the 1st round, DraftX has Lawal as the last pick of the 1st round. Basically, this draft is tough because talent is so evenly distributed.

It used to be easy to decide, but honestly, im not sure Wall is the best player on the board. He is the quickest and has the best combination of ability and potential, but turner has some chops, and I GET THIS sinking feeling that Pattrick Patterson is going to be the ROY. basically i want a 2nd round pick like Butler or Freddett or Vasquez and we haven't even covered some INT'L prospects who might declare.

I would like Nocioni to be traded for a weird contract and a late 1st and maybe a 2nd. Nocioni is worth a late 1st, and maybe more. The question becomes, who needs Nocioni bad enough to trade for him. I would say OKC, TORONTO, and SAS. His contract is large enough, and Noc is talented enough to be used in a trade coupled with any one of our bigs. Noc/Green/Thompson might net us Devin Harris. Since no one wants to take on extra money this offseason, we might have to sit on Noc for another 1/2 season, BUT TRADING NOC to the NETS for Harris would in effect create more cap space so NOC can be used as leverage that way. Orlando is screwed and needs ANY type of flexibility they can achieve. there are alot of potential destinations for NOC, but we need to determine what kind of player we want back, and how much we are will to spend on his deal. We could probably get LEWIS from orlando if we wanted to pay him 85 million over 4 years, and that would SOLVE the 3 spot. Orlando plays lewis 33mpg he averages 14.X points. For 20 million PER Lewis is a prime candidate for trade. The question is is he worth the money. Is Devin Harris worth the money?Kirilenko is another player, with a different set of qualifications for us to explore, he is expiring in 2011, and he would help immediately, and probably start and teach the kids a thing or two. Trading Noc for AK47 would be mutually beneficial because it puts Utah in a position to acquire a 2010er and THEN re sign BOOZER. with Deron at the point boozer and okur anchoring the middle, thy already have a winning team. Add in Noc at the 3 and Joe Johnson at the 2/3, and they are downright nasty. I'm a little offtopic, but all im trying to say is NOC is more and more valuable as the offseason gets underway, and we don't need the flexibility because we already have it. Other teams might be willing to pay a premium for that flexibility on July 2nd.

 

[sidney]

We'd be fortunate to get a crap 2011 expiring for Nocioni like Morris Peterson or (gulp) Sasha Vujacic.

No way is he going to bring a late first round pick. The market didn't even offer that for Bibby a couple of years ago.