OFFICIAL NBA DRAFT MEASUREMENTS
https://mediacentral.nba.com/wp-con...2016-Draft-Combine-Anthropometric-Results.pdf
https://mediacentral.nba.com/wp-con...2016-Draft-Combine-Anthropometric-Results.pdf
I thought, you wasn't that great with statistics?!
Those numbers still don't say what part of his offense will carry over to the NBA. Cause he will need every bit of that, since he's not a good team defender, and no one is playing ISO on the perimeter unless it's a clear mismatch.
Few observations:
1. Wade Baldwin IV has amazing length and size. 6'4 200lbs 6'11 wingspan.
2. lol at North Carolina's weight inflations.
3. Buddy Hield is a legit 6'5 in shoes. This will help the "undersized" narrative.
- Brice Johnson: 230, actual: 208.
- Marcus Paige: 175, actual: 163
- Justin Jackson: 200, actual: 193(pathetic, Demetrius Jackson weighs the same)
4. Marquese Chriss measured at 6'10 with a 7' 0.25 wingspan and 233lbs. Definitely great for him, and I don't think he's done growing.
5. Henry Ellenson came in at 6'10 w/o shoes. Extremely surprised, I thought he was more on the 6'8, 6'9 side. 6'11.5 with a 7'2 wingspan.
6. No Jamaal Murray. I'm skeptical that he's 6'5.
Jaylen Brown has been pretty consistently listed as 6'7" - I thought he would come in quite a bit short of that but at 6'5.25" barefoot he's only about a half-inch short (my rule is to ignore the with-shoes measurement and add 1.25" to the barefoot measurement).
Ben Bentil measured out quite well. I've seen him as potentially occupying a Draymond Green-type role in the NBA, and he comes in with the same wingspan and standing reach, but a full 1.5 inches taller and a few pounds lighter.
Nigel Hayes measured out about where I thought, and at clearly under 6'8" in shoes, he doesn't jump off the paper. He has a 7'3" wingspan but somehow a very stubby 8'5.5" standing reach - less than Valentine.
Speaking of Denzel Valentine, I'm a bit disappointed in that he is only 6'4" barefoot. But his wingspan and standing reach are very nice for his size.
Kyle Wiltjer comes in at 15.9% body fat, which has to be a typo, right? You're telling me that Kyle Wiltjer has a higher body fat percentage than Diamond Stone?
And speaking of Diamond Stone, DX has been listing him at 7'0" all year, and I've been wondering where they got that. Well, I don't know, but he's 6'9" barefoot, so unless he's playing in heels, he ain't going to be nearing 7'0".
Few observations:
1. Wade Baldwin IV has amazing length and size. 6'4 200lbs 6'11 wingspan.
2. lol at North Carolina's weight inflations.
3. Buddy Hield is a legit 6'5 in shoes. This will help the "undersized" narrative.
- Brice Johnson: 230, actual: 208.
- Marcus Paige: 175, actual: 163
- Justin Jackson: 200, actual: 193(pathetic, Demetrius Jackson weighs the same)
4. Marquese Chriss measured at 6'10 with a 7' 0.25 wingspan and 233lbs. Definitely great for him, and I don't think he's done growing.
5. Henry Ellenson came in at 6'10 w/o shoes. Extremely surprised, I thought he was more on the 6'8, 6'9 side. 6'11.5 with a 7'2 wingspan.
6. No Jamaal Murray. I'm skeptical that he's 6'5.
No, he wasn't a primary ballhandler: Woodard and Cousins spent more time on the ball. I don't have much time to watch college basketball (time zone is probably bigger problem than time constraint), so yes, I look through stats first. Unlike previous years haven't really read DX at all this season, only watched a few of their videos on specific games by some prospects. As for watching games I've seen Oklahoma and Duke the most this season, probably 5-6 times each. Actually I still haven't seen full Villanova-Oklahoma game, so I don't judge Buddy based on his worst game of the season. Again everyone is a winner or tough warrior, until he isn't, but I don't see elite scoring skillset. Hield has a very quick release, so maybe he'll become Curry of SGs, when even a little window of opportunity will result in a shot. I guess, we'll see, who was right, in 2-3 years.I list stats only because it seems the only way to convince you. As to what part of his offense that will carry over, why don't you try watching him play instead of just reading stats. I'm starting to think that you don't watch any of these players. That all you do is read stats and read mock draft reports. What made Hield stand out last season was his consistency. His ability to turn it on when it was needed. He was almost the primary ball handler for Oklahoma. While I admit that he can't handle like Jamal Crawford, I don't think it's a liability. He a far better ball handler than McLemore. I'm not saying he'll be the greatest thing since swiss cheese, but I think he'll be a good NBA SG. He's mentally tough, something that McLemore isn't.
What would you guys give up to move up to get Dunn?
Jaylen Brown has been pretty consistently listed as 6'7" - I thought he would come in quite a bit short of that but at 6'5.25" barefoot he's only about a half-inch short (my rule is to ignore the with-shoes measurement and add 1.25" to the barefoot measurement).
Ben Bentil measured out quite well. I've seen him as potentially occupying a Draymond Green-type role in the NBA, and he comes in with the same wingspan and standing reach, but a full 1.5 inches taller and a few pounds lighter.
Nigel Hayes measured out about where I thought, and at clearly under 6'8" in shoes, he doesn't jump off the paper. He has a 7'3" wingspan but somehow a very stubby 8'5.5" standing reach - less than Valentine.
Speaking of Denzel Valentine, I'm a bit disappointed in that he is only 6'4" barefoot. But his wingspan and standing reach are very nice for his size.
Kyle Wiltjer comes in at 15.9% body fat, which has to be a typo, right? You're telling me that Kyle Wiltjer has a higher body fat percentage than Diamond Stone?
And speaking of Diamond Stone, DX has been listing him at 7'0" all year, and I've been wondering where they got that. Well, I don't know, but he's 6'9" barefoot, so unless he's playing in heels, he ain't going to be nearing 7'0".
I think Ellenson's ceiling is a combo between Kevin Love and 2015 Cousins(jump shooter, putting ball on floor, etc). However, his defense is the main thing holding him back.Any thoughts on Henry Ellenson for us?
If we won't make any move and the draft would go as expected (with Simmons, Ingram, Bender, Brown, Hield, Dunn adn Murray all taken) we could use a stretch 4.
6'11.5 with a 7'2 wingspan is really impressive for a PF and from the little I've seen he can score inside and outside and a good rebounder, I know he have some defensive issues though but from what I've seen a lot of it was about keeping forwards in front of him- if he can play some center (1.5 blocks in college) he can be an interesting guy (and can fit next to WCS on paper).
But again I'm basing all of that on not a lot of time seeing him and some stats (I don't follow college hoops closely), so I would love to hear other opinions.
I don't think we'll have to move up for him....What would you guys give up to move up to get Dunn?
He's actually a pretty nice iso player. Brown is extremely raw, but the upside is there.Does Jaylen Brown do anything but dunk?
Hield's haircut is worth at least an inch...Anyway reach is more important, and 8'5" there is perfectly acceptable number even before the influx of shorter guards to SG position.
Brogdon is not an explosive leaper, so given his other measurement I suspect he was really crouching to get to that 8'2" reach. Few more just as obvious with Finney-Smith being just plain stupid as he "shrunk" 7 inches in a month.
Poeltl with under 8'10" reach?! That's really bad for an NBA center. Unless he shows up with 40-inch jump in athletic testing, it really hurts his stock.
No, he wasn't a primary ballhandler: Woodard and Cousins spent more time on the ball. I don't have much time to watch college basketball (time zone is probably bigger problem than time constraint), so yes, I look through stats first. Unlike previous years haven't really read DX at all this season, only watched a few of their videos on specific games by some prospects. As for watching games I've seen Oklahoma and Duke the most this season, probably 5-6 times each. Actually I still haven't seen full Villanova-Oklahoma game, so I don't judge Buddy based on his worst game of the season. Again everyone is a winner or tough warrior, until he isn't, but I don't see elite scoring skillset. Hield has a very quick release, so maybe he'll become Curry of SGs, when even a little window of opportunity will result in a shot. I guess, we'll see, who was right, in 2-3 years.
Does Jaylen Brown do anything but dunk?
I think Ellenson's ceiling is a combo between Kevin Love and 2015 Cousins(jump shooter, putting ball on floor, etc). However, his defense is the main thing holding him back.
I don't think he's a good fit for us. Lacking on defense, and not a particularly good fit alongside Cousins on that end.
However, I think he would be a great fit in Minnesota. Good offensive weapon alongside KAT who can stretch the floor too. Defense would be passable against Cs.
I don't think we'll have to move up for him....
Simmons, Bender, Ingram goes top 3 in some order probably.
Suns: Jaylen Brown, Timberwolves: Jamaal Murray?, NO: Buddy Hield, Denver: Poeltl?? Kings: Dunn
However, if things fall like that way, it wouldn't shock me if the Nuggets go, screw it, we're picking Dunn. Mudiay's rookie year wasn't impressive......
He's actually a pretty nice iso player. Brown is extremely raw, but the upside is there.
Any thoughts on Henry Ellenson for us?
If we won't make any move and the draft would go as expected (with Simmons, Ingram, Bender, Brown, Hield, Dunn adn Murray all taken) we could use a stretch 4.
6'11.5 with a 7'2 wingspan is really impressive for a PF and from the little I've seen he can score inside and outside and a good rebounder, I know he have some defensive issues though but from what I've seen a lot of it was about keeping forwards in front of him- if he can play some center (1.5 blocks in college) he can be an interesting guy (and can fit next to WCS on paper).
But again I'm basing all of that on not a lot of time seeing him and some stats (I don't follow college hoops closely), so I would love to hear other opinions.
I think Ellenson's ceiling is a combo between Kevin Love and 2015 Cousins(jump shooter, putting ball on floor, etc). However, his defense is the main thing holding him back.
I don't think he's a good fit for us. Lacking on defense, and not a particularly good fit alongside Cousins on that end.
I don't think we'll have to move up for him....
Simmons, Bender, Ingram goes top 3 in some order probably.
Suns: Jaylen Brown, Timberwolves: Jamaal Murray?, NO: Buddy Hield, Denver: Poeltl?? Kings: Dunn
However, if things fall like that way, it wouldn't shock me if the Nuggets go, screw it, we're picking Dunn. Mudiay's rookie year wasn't impressive.......
For that matter the Kings could end up with the 4th pick.
It's hard to figure out what the Nuggets want. They're pretty set at every position, but I could see them trying to improve SG. However, PG is a possibility if they're wary on Mudiay's development.Ellenson as a stretch 4/5 wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. The idea would be that in time he could fill a Ryan Anderson like role off the bench. Stretch the floor, be a scorer with the second unit etc. He's not one of my favorite prospects in this draft but I can see some logic depending on who is (or rather who isn't) available when the Kings draft
I can't see Denver taking Poeltl with Jokic and Nurkic already creating a minutes crunch at C.
If the draft order were to stay as is (has that ever happened) then I think it comes down to either NO taking Poeltl over Dunn and/or a team ahead of the Kings grabbing Ellenson - maybe MIN?
But depending on how the lottery shakes out it could be a lot less likely. If the Lakers get pushed out of the top 3 and Philly gets their pick I could see the 76ers taking Dunn at #4.
For that matter the Kings could end up with the 4th pick. And I'd think Dunn would probably be the right pick in that case.
Things will get a little clearer after the Lottery.
I don't think Brown would be a good fit for the Kings. He's more of a project, and Joerger hasn't really developed any players under his wing. If Brown is there at 8, I think there would be A LOT of teams calling to move up. Similar to Justise Winslow last year. It would be a difficult decision.Do you take Brown if Dunn, Hield, Murray are off the board?
It's hard to figure out what the Nuggets want. They're pretty set at every position, but I could see them trying to improve SG. However, PG is a possibility if they're wary on Mudiay's development.
I know there's several people here who suggested that the Pelicans pick Poeltl, why? The Pelicans already have Asik who is a passable 20mpg player. The Pelicans desperately need a PG or SG. I think they draft one of Hield/Dunn/Murray, and maybe Brown. Stranger things have happened.
I don't think Brown would be a good fit for the Kings. He's more of a project, and Joerger hasn't really developed any players under his wing. If Brown is there at 8, I think there would be A LOT of teams calling to move up. Similar to Justise Winslow last year. It would be a difficult decision.
I think I would.
It's hard to figure out what the Nuggets want. They're pretty set at every position, but I could see them trying to improve SG. However, PG is a possibility if they're wary on Mudiay's development.
I know there's several people here who suggested that the Pelicans pick Poeltl, why? The Pelicans already have Asik who is a passable 20mpg player. The Pelicans desperately need a PG or SG. I think they draft one of Hield/Dunn/Murray, and maybe Brown. Stranger things have happened.
I don't think Brown would be a good fit for the Kings. He's more of a project, and Joerger hasn't really developed any players under his wing. If Brown is there at 8, I think there would be A LOT of teams calling to move up. Similar to Justise Winslow last year. It would be a difficult decision.
I think I would.
Jason Jones @mr_jasonjones
Washington forward Marquese Chriss will meet w/ the Kings tomorrow. Said his favorite player is Rudy Gay.
Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN 6h6 hours ago
NBA combine: Former Washington forward Marquese Chriss said he compares his game to Rudy Gay.
Jason Jones @mr_jasonjones 4h4 hours ago
Chriss said it's a "misconception" that he's immature and hopes to show teams that he's grown up a lot.
Nick Whalen @wha1en 6h6 hours ago
Marquese Chriss is strong interview, well-spoken. Says working on shooting has been his biggest priority.
Jason Jones @mr_jasonjones 5h5 hours ago
Cal forward Jaylen Brown said his interview with the Kings was fun, Vlade and Peja joked and kept the mood light and less stressful
Jason Jones @mr_jasonjones 5h5 hours ago
Brown said the Kings seemed interested in getting to know him in a relaxed atmosphere rather than keeping it tense
Chriss would be the perfect fit next to Cousins. His biggest knock is that he hasn't been playing basketball for very long, so he might be behind in the learning cure. This leads to people questioning his feel for the game, which can be supported by lack of assists this season. His 2nd biggest knock is defensive rebounding. He's just not a good rebounder mostly due to his lack of strength and boxing out ability. His 3rd biggest knock is immaturity, some people have questioned that a lot about him. Another weakness is that he's not disciplined on D.Didn't know Marquese Chriss is actually from Sacramento...hmmm
Didn't know Marquese Chriss is actually from Sacramento...hmmm
Just checked out Draft Express profile on him...Though he's listed as PF, his body and game looks more like a SF , similar to Kevin Durant.
Chriss would be the perfect fit next to Cousins. His biggest knock is that he hasn't been playing basketball for very long, so he might be behind in the learning cure. This leads to people questioning his feel for the game, which can be supported by lack of assists this season. His 2nd biggest knock is defensive rebounding. He's just not a good rebounder mostly due to his lack of strength and boxing out ability. His 3rd biggest knock is immaturity, some people have questioned that a lot about him. Another weakness is that he's not disciplined on D.
His ceiling is arguably one of the highest. He's still currently only 18. Most of his problems can be fixed in the NBA. Lack of feel might be the hardest one, but everything else is there.
If I'm the GM of the Kings, I'd gamble on him at 8. However, I'm not the GM, and I don't think Vlade would take that risk. Last year, he said he liked Porzingis, but he was too raw.... he really inferred that he didn't have any interest in him(broke my heart). I highly doubt it was smokescreen, because he wound up drafting the most NBA ready player in WCS. I guess I could see the same with Chriss.
Great graphic by @KevinOConnorNBA
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Man, Sabonis looks legit, I can see him and Koufos off the bench working very well with each other, Koufos playing D and rebounding and Sabonis with the mid range and nice post move scoring. Sabonis kind of reminds me of Scola in a sense.