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we have a athletic danny green on the team already. he needs a structured system to play in. what would happen if we swap ben for danny?
we have a athletic danny green on the team already. he needs a structured system to play in.
I caught a bit of Grant's show yesterday (I think it was yesterday) as I was leaving work and he was talking about the possibility of trading DeMarcus Cousins and about what a huge, mega, super important summer this was for the Kings. That the team needed a major shake up etc etc. And I had to laugh.
Last summer was supposedly a huge, mega, super important summer for the Kings.
And we drafted Stauskas, signed Collison, let Thomas walk, signed Casspi, Sessions and Moreland, traded Quincy Acy and Travis Outlaw to the Knicks for Wayne Ellington and Jeremy Tyler and traded Jason Terry and two future 2nd round picks for Alonzo Gee and Scotty Hopson.
I wasn't fully on board with the Nik pick and I wish the Kings didn't give away 2nd rounders like party favors, especially just to gift Jason Terry to Houston but otherwise I don't really have any issues with any of those moves. In fact I liked swapping Collison for Thomas and bringing Omri back but I didn't expect them to pay dividends to the degree they have. But really none of them were big moves. What evidence is there that this summer will be any different? The Kings don't have the ammunition (picks, cap room, talent) to pull off big trades. Unlike the Petrie years we hear that the Kings are in the mix for pretty much any possible rumor and yet have not landed any of those players outside of Gay who Toronto was offering at firesale prices. My takeaway from that (reinforced by what PDA said that morning at 1140) is that D'Alessandro thinks he has more talent on this roster than he does and makes trade offers that overvalue his assets which is why the Kings haven't pulled off a big trade and why they are nearly at the luxury tax threshold despite being a 25 win team.
Absolutely I'd love to see a "big" summer that revamps this team. But I'm not holding my breath.
Get a 3 man who can start in the NBA and move Rudy to the 4
Wilson Chandler should be available next year he's a expiring deal plus Karl loves him and he loves Karl
Jeff Green (I think can opt out) would also be interesting but doubtful)
I would throw a very decent amount of money @ DeMarr Carroll who is a unrestricted free agent dude is a above average defender, scraps like Reggie and shots 40% from the 3 and cuts as well as any wingman in the NBA a almost DREAM fit. Caroll is also 28 years old without much mileage and entering his NBA prime.
These type of players is what I would be looking for.
I don't understand, how bringing Lawson, whose specialty is transition/drive&kick/bad defense, meshes well with Boogie/Rudy or improves this team overall?
Kings never run true Princeton offense in the early 2000s - Adelman incorporated some of the sets to enhance the value of big men he had, and to do it properly Coachie was asked to join in.
Why do people assume Kings are going to run pure dribble-drive 100% of the time? Cousins and Rudy have driving as part of their offensive arsenal, so it makes sense to better utilize their handles/passing ability with the help of Wahlberg.
Anyway with Rudy and Boogie as leading ball handlers there's certanly a place for a guy, who can either pop, coming off a screen into mid-range, or move off the ball into the corner for 3, which actually resolves the awkwardness of Collison having to initiate from the top of the arc, while being a mediocre shooting threat from there.
I will be extremely frustrated if we overpay for Lawson. PG is not our issue.
Yep, point guard and small forward are the two positions where we actually have some semblance of depth, which makes all this Lawson talk so frustrating.
Lawson will get more open shots for Mclemore or any other wings we play. OTOH Boogie and Rudy are not C&S guys (guys, who catch and dunk are lumped in this category). Less than fifth of their offense for each comes from finishing (under Karl). And when Lawson creates shots for Mclemore or any other wings we play, Cousins/Gay are supposed to just stand somewhere and space the floor, I guess. Collison works well next to both, because he doesn't need to go all the way to the basket to score, where he would likely run into a lot of guys crowding Boogie, and Darren can give up the ball and go stand in the corner being ready to hoist a 3, which he does very well.Lawson would do wonders for this team, an elite penetrator who can hit the outside shot. I like Collison but he is just a jack of all trades master of none PG. Hes kind of like John Salmons(first stint). I think this team needs a guy that can break down a defense, easier baskets for Cousins and Gay, more open shots for Mclemore or any other wings we play. Plus Lawson himself will be a terror with so much attention going to Cuz and Gay. Dont forget he has made his name playing with a bunch of mid tier players, he always being the best. Id like to see him playing alongside better players, his game will shine even more.
I agree people are sleeping on Ty Lawson he was the best player on a 57 win team 2 years ago, but I do think the Nuggets would want to much for him. I just don't really see anyway of getting him unless we gave up way to much this would not be like the Rudy Gay deal where the Raptors wanted to get rid of him for role players, the Nuggets want a lot of talent in return. At the right price yeah bring him in but the price won''t be right.Lawson would do wonders for this team, an elite penetrator who can hit the outside shot. I like Collison but he is just a jack of all trades master of none PG. Hes kind of like John Salmons(first stint). I think this team needs a guy that can break down a defense, easier baskets for Cousins and Gay, more open shots for Mclemore or any other wings we play. Plus Lawson himself will be a terror with so much attention going to Cuz and Gay. Dont forget he has made his name playing with a bunch of mid tier players, he always being the best. Id like to see him playing alongside better players, his game will shine even more.
They had 2 guys that played D and that was Koufus and Iggy (McGee blocked shots but he's a moron), and Lawson impact was far greater than any of those guys you said (Iggy was underwhelming impact wise for most of that season until the 1st round series. Faried a major cog are you kidding? Getting spoon feed for open dunks makes you important? The Nuggets were a team that tried to outscore you not grind you out with D.Lawson might have been the best player on 12/13 team, but he was first among equals with Iggy, Gallo and Faried all being major cogs, and that Denver team was very deep, even if some of that depth was affected by injuries. Oh, and they played defense, where Lawson's impact is limited at best, due to a full-sized lineup with two long rim-protectors.
Reading comprehension is not your friend, I guess:They had 2 guys that played D and that was Koufus and Iggy (McGee blocked shots but he's a moron), and Lawson impact was far greater than any of those guys you said (Iggy was underwhelming impact wise for most of that season until the 1st round series. Faried a major cog are you kidding? Getting spoon feed for open dunks makes you important? The Nuggets were a team that tried to outscore you not grind you out with D.
Koufus and McGee (he played mostly with Miller) never played together so your lying , Wilson Chandler/Gallo played the 4 a lot behind Faried. Lawson's impact was not limited at best I don't understand why people that didn't watch those Denver teams keep making stuff up.
Playing those guys at the 4 makes it a undersized line up not a full sized line up as well as playing Ty and Miller together made them even smaller.
I literally watched nearly all those Denver games since Dre was on that team if you didn't watch them than you obviously would not know how important Ty was to that team. It was Ty Lawson leading the way followed by Gallo up until his injury (which killed them in the playoffs), Ty was the driving force behind that teams success and his impact was never "limited"due to any line up.
How many games have Cuz and Gay missed this year? You're not always going to have those guys on the floor in a 82 game season. We need someone that can break down a defense from the perimeter. Otherwise we are solely reliant on Cuz and Gay ISO's to create offense. Also do you think Carl would just have Cuz and Gay standing around? That is an insult, he will get the most out of his players that's for sure.Lawson will get more open shots for Mclemore or any other wings we play. OTOH Boogie and Rudy are not C&S guys (guys, who catch and dunk are lumped in this category). Less than fifth of their offense for each comes from finishing (under Karl). And when Lawson creates shots for Mclemore or any other wings we play, Cousins/Gay are supposed to just stand somewhere and space the floor, I guess. Collison works well next to both, because he doesn't need to go all the way to the basket to score, where he would likely run into a lot of guys crowding Boogie, and Darren can give up the ball and go stand in the corner being ready to hoist a 3, which he does very well.
Anyway offense is not a problem for this team, defense is, and bringing one of the worst defenders among starting PGs won't help much either.
They were a completely undersized team in particular when they played there best line up which was Lawson@PG, Miller @SG and one of /Faired/Chandler/Gallo @ PF along with Iggy at SF with only 1 big man on the floor, that is small ball that's not a "full sized"line up a full sized line up is what Memphis/Detroit/Jazz currently have and what we had under Malone with Cousins/Thompson/Gay.Reading comprehension is not your friend, I guess:
- at no point was I mentioning the fact that Koufus and McGee played together. My comment was about the fact, that they had a rim protector on the floor all the time
- limited impact of Lawson was in reference to defense
- playing long SFs as PFs with your bench units are not a reason to call team undersized, especially when you put SFs at SG half the time. That's actually close to what GSW is doing this season. And Miller at SG gives up some length, but is absolutely adequate in strength.
- Iggy averaged above 5 assists as SG and produced his own offense with decent efficiency - he was not underwhelming
The only way I could support a move for Lawson would be if it doesn't move Collison to Denver.